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Righteous Anger
 
PostPosted: Sun, Feb 19 2012, 0:12 AM 

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I know some very limited lore about Orcs in the Forgotten Realms, but I would like to know more. Are there any in depth source books about orcs and orc culture -- and, at the same time, about the Orcish pantheon?

What about Amian orcs? I would assume that some of the orcs are standard Mountain Orcs. What about the Bloodmoon Tribe, or the Frost Orcs in Brogendenstein?

All help is greatly appreciated, in advance.

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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 19 2012, 3:06 AM 



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I have gone on a fishing expedition for you. But grats on prompting an answer to a question we never asked ourselves...


 
      
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 19 2012, 3:17 AM 

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I believe Faiths and Pantheons has a decent section on the orc deities.

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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 19 2012, 4:57 AM 

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Yossarin, I would sincerely appreciate any help you could offer. I'm mulling over what seems to be an idea that would greatly contribute to the server as whole, and said information would prove incredibly valuable.

And Gers -- Do you mind linking me to said sourcebook, or copying and pasting the information for us to see?

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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 19 2012, 5:02 AM 

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Just do a Google search for it, and you should be able to find plenty of information, if not the book itself.

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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 19 2012, 7:08 AM 

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I found it! Thanks for the tip, Gers. Ilneval is an aspect of Orcish faith I really didn't expect.

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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 20 2012, 5:59 AM 



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There's plenty of information out there for Orcs and Half-Orcs. As Gers mentioned, you can find about the gods in Faiths and Pantheons. Some other books that will be useful are:

Races of Faerun (pgs. 64-73)
Players Guide to Faerun (pgs. 25-27)
Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (pg. 17, but also look up the regions they're from in the same book. Use it along side Players Guide to Faerun.)

Those three are the ones you should treat as the main sources. These next books aren't Faerun specific, so if the previous 3 books contradict them, assume the first three are right over these:

Monster Manuel 1 (pgs. 203-204)
Races of Destiny (pgs. 42-50)

If you want to look even deeper, you can look for the region specific books where Orcs/Half-Orcs are from that you'd like to narrow in on and look for info there. For example, "The North: Guide to the Savage Frontier" and "The Savage Frontier" has information on Orcs and Half-Orcs from the North.

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Righteous Anger
 
PostPosted: Tue, Feb 21 2012, 1:41 AM 

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This information has actually helped me a ton. Thank you, Gunz! The .pdfs were incredibly easy to gain access to, and as such, I now have a veritable wellspring of information at my disposal.

I appreciate the aid!

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Righteous Anger
 
PostPosted: Tue, Feb 21 2012, 22:04 PM 

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With a bit of research, I believe I've come to certain conclusions. The Dungeon Master staff is more than capable of swooping in and correcting anything faulty, especially if my logic doesn't follow Amian lore (which I know little to nothing of):

The Orcs that dwell in the caves just near Bendir Dale are Gray Orcs. I say this because of their clearly religious ties -- ones I won't spoil for any new players to the server.

The Orcs that we call the "Bloodmoon Tribe" are a massive band of half-orc outcasts, possibly the progeny of the aforementioned Orcs' raids on settlements throughout the isles that were - for one reason or another - cast out of the greater Orcish culture. Over the years that have actually developed their own culture within the seclusion of their cave.

The Orcs in Brogendenstein are traditional Mountain Orcs; however, they have adapted to both life in the harsh wintry climes and living near such powerful resource competition as Frost Giants. They appear to be the most organized, with the most clearly flourished culture, as they are all equipped with enchanted weapons (more than likely due to the high percentage of shaman and warlock tribe members).

That's all that I've got.

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Frontier Orcs


Humans were not the first creatures on the island of Amia. Amia was inhabited almost exclusively by monstrous races and a small breakaway community of elves who fled their original home to settle Winya long before the first boatloads of human, hin, and dwarf settlers arrived on the Amian coast.

Prehistorians theorize that the orcs who first came to Amia were part of a larger collective of mountain orcs that descended from the Frozenfar and, through constant battles with the denizens of Toril and fractious splintering of their own tribes, spread gradually southwards in increasingly small pocket tribes. Though no map of the Trackless Sea was ever designed at the time, it is assumed (based upon certain historic accounts and contemporary geological trends) that a land bridge extended southwestwards into the Trackless Sea. Very recently, the land bridge theory has been replaced by the notion that there was no solid bridge of land extending into the Trackless Sea but rather a much denser series of islands and landmasses (it is believed that the Moonshaes were three times their size at this period of ancient history, before a rapidly rising sea level buried most of what might have once been a complete landmass into a series of islands).

These early mountain orcs went as far south as the land mass we know today as Amia, but any claims that they traveled further are dubious, as they were not talented shipbuilders in their own right but were capable of constructing small fleets of very unsteady rafts that could carry them at least as far as Amia. Once on Amia, food and territory were plentiful.

The only significant conflict that faced the orcs in these early years were the re'kazan, which is an archaic orcish word meaning "night elf". Though modern prehistorians assert that it was very unlikely that the orcs were faced with a drow community on the island of Amia in these very early times, the elves of Winya insist that there was a rogue drow city living in a dry, hollow bowel on the south part of the Amian landmass, assumed to have been a portion of a pre-existing Underdark that was separated from the rest of the Underdark by the intrusion of seawater.

These transplanted mountain orcs were fighting a war on two fronts - against the elves to their north and the re'kazan to their south. The Winyans, being the only community with a strong enough oral tradition to recall details of the time, claim that the re'kazan inevitably invaded the Frontier caverns where the orcs had made their homes by using underground tunnels and occupied their territory, enslaving the orcs and using them as martial fodder in a heated war of attrition on the village of Winya in the Nexus Falls region. These early battles of Winya are not considered part of the military canon of the Crown Wars as they occurred some time after those events, but recent elven scholars have been suggesting they be included.

The elves eventually earned a victory over the combined forces of the re'kazan and their enslaved orcs, leaving the re'kazan and their limited numbers to face an insurrection by their slaves, who had home field advantage on the surface where they were made to fight.

Very little is known about what became of the orcs who had been enslaved or their re'kazan masters, but the orcs who had settled in the frontier, a hardy and stout race, managed to survive the conflict even with the vast majority of their male warriors removed from the tribe by the re'kazan, never to be heard from again.

Passenger manifests from colonial vessels that settled the Amian coast several hundred years ago indicate that in addition to explorers, wealthy merchants, surveyors and refugees of human, dwarf, and hin stock, there were also a number of orcish slaves brought to Amia. These were gray orc slaves, worshippers of the mighty Gruumsh, slayer of the Mulhorandi god Re during the Orcgate wars. This was a religion altogether unfamiliar to the frontier orcs who had long ago settled the Amian island, but it is speculated that some of these orcish slaves transplanted to Amia during its settlement escaped their masters and brought this very orcicentric faith to the orcs of the frontier.

Although the Frontier Orcs pose a significant threat to merchant caravans that travel close to their territory, these orcs have rarely ever militarized beyond their borders to attack the neighboring settlements of Cordor or Bendir Dale. Adventurers continue to raid their caverns, often in retaliation for their brutal caravan raids that rarely leave anyone alive, or by commission of individual merchants who want their stolen goods returned or by the city of Cordor, who have traditionally encouraged a campaign of consistently controlling the Frontier Orc population through regulated bloodshed.




Bloodmoon Orcs


The exact explanation for the arrival of the Bloodmoon Orcs to the territory northeast of Wharftown remains a mystery to scholars, but all speculation points to the ruling powers of Stonehold - later renamed to Wyrmhold after its conquer by an evil dragon.

Around the turn of the 13th century, Stonehold was a fortress constructed beyond the watchful eyes of the Holy City of Kohlingen, the Gem of the Trackless Sea, Cordor, and the increasingly insular village of Winya. A rapid succession of rulers dominated this fortress dubbed Stonehold (many of these rulers falling either in battle or to treachery), all with the intent to gain dominion over as much of that region as possible. Accounts of those rare few granted diplomatic audiences with the leaders of Stonehold claim that they were power-hungry tyrants unsatisfied with their lot in life. Claims have been made (and may, in fact, be nothing more than historical revisionism framed by those who defeated the rulers of Stonehold) that these petty tyrants were often guilty of either leasing or outright selling their souls to otherworldly powers for temporal gain. In addition, families still claim to this day to be descended from human slaves held in captivity by the rulers of Stonehold and forced to commit "unspeakable" acts which have understandably never been spoken of. Thus the brief life of Stonehold was dark and bloody, though the oldest humans in Amia today remember the strongarm of Stonehold: the Bloodmoon Orcs.

The Bloodmoon Orcs are widely regarded to have been half-orc slaves that the rulers of Stonehold spirited onto the island, quite possibly through an open portal within the fortress. After completely disrupting the inland trade routes north of Wharftown in the valleys, the Bloodmoon Orcs were discovered to have, with surprising rapidity, established their own territory in the pass between the hills, now dubbed Bloodmoon Pass. They constantly threatened Wharftown and Winya alike, and even briefly occupied Uhm before being forcibly recalled to defend Stonehold against a combined onslaught.

In the wake of the death of an infamous sorceror who wielded the might of the Mylocks on behalf of Stonehold, the Bloodmoon Orcs were likely struck by the promise of freedom from their masters. The rulers of Stonehold had no time to bolster their ranks with the loss of the Mylocks before the Bloodmoon Orcs turned against them, as well, demanding the territory they had claimed just beyond the borders of the Stonehold fortress as sovereign. It was not granted peaceably, but was inevitably earned when the conflict was ultimately disrupted by Stonehold's unavoidable decay and conquest by a dragon. By the time it was officially renamed Wyrmhold, the Bloodmoon Orcs were understood to have lain violent claim to the Bloodmoon Pass and surrounding areas, and only the hardiest of adventurers dare to tangle with them. Like the Frontier Orcs, the Bloodmoons rarely venture beyond their territory, but unlike the Frontier Orcs, the Bloodmoon Orcs are much less savage and much more organized. Thus, they are regarded as a very real threat by the Holy City of Kohlingen, by Cordor, and by Winya, should they ever decide to mount a strategic attack. Biologists credit the intelligent design of their territory and the consistent threat they pose to their breeding - the clan is composed almost entirely of half-orcs. Historians do not engage heavily in discussions of eugenics and merely site their intense martial training at the hands of Stonehold for their dangerous modus operandi.


 
      
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 23 2012, 22:16 PM 

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This is perfect. Absolutely flawless, Yossarin. Did you draft this up yourself -- or is it part of Amian lore that I missed?

This helps me greatly. I may be sending you a Personal Message soon.

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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 26 2012, 19:27 PM 

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Shame, would be better fitting if Orcs came to Amia after the Humans. As the word Orc means foreign invader and or demon in Anglo-Saxen. It refers to the invasion of the Normans in 1066


 
      
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Any info on the half-orc looking Gulgar, who dwell within the Crystal Caves in the Mylock Hills: Pass of Despair ?


 
      
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 27 2012, 5:34 AM 

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go to the G's

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Thankyou kind sir!


 
      
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