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dayfer wrote: TormakSaber wrote: 2: The stronger you are, the harder it is to hide your alignment. Hm... in that case I could probally go ahead and go with one of my origonal ideas, as in, barely lvling him, up to 3 Sorc max, still going through a minor pact to get those. Being weaker suits the idea of him better anyway, manipulating those more powerful etc etc. Well, let me ask you this....have you thought of Bard instead of Sorc? Or using Bard/Sorc/Blackguard? I mean, it would allow you to move about easier, add RP chances as you move from place to place "performing".... You could go 16 BG/11 Bard/3 Sorc or something like that Just a thought.
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dayfer
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 16:36 PM |
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To be honest, no, I can't really see Bard fitting with the character at all. Just doesn't suit him.
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Simeron
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 16:42 PM |
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dayfer wrote: To be honest, no, I can't really see Bard fitting with the character at all. Just doesn't suit him. Well, I'm just thinking a little outside the normal "I sing and stuff" kind of bard.... Its more for a public speaker...or orator....where you can inspire people or get them to follow your lead... Something along the lines of you get people to do what you want...but yeah, I can see it not fitting too. As I said, just a thought...
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 16:45 PM |
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Sorcerer/Blackguards:
Don't bother with all this 12 Sorc/16 BG etc thing. You'll be terrible as a sorcerer and terrible as a fighter. 24 Sorcerer/5 Blackguard/1 Monk is far better for you. Take Divine Shield, use full plate and laugh manically as your AC is far higher than most monsters can reach.
Optionally, go 4 Blackguard before epic and you'd be a decent spellsword too.
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Simeron
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 16:51 PM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: Sorcerer/Blackguards:
Don't bother with all this 12 Sorc/16 BG etc thing. You'll be terrible as a sorcerer and terrible as a fighter. 24 Sorcerer/5 Blackguard/1 Monk is far better for you. Take Divine Shield, use full plate and laugh manically as your AC is far higher than most monsters can reach.
Optionally, go 4 Blackguard before epic and you'd be a decent spellsword too. I was kinda thinking for a wizard build 25 General Wizard/ 4 fighter / 1 Rogue and be able to cast in full plate and tower shield up to level 9 spells (have to take 3 epic still spells to do it) Think that would work?
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dayfer
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 16:52 PM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: Sorcerer/Blackguards:
Don't bother with all this 12 Sorc/16 BG etc thing. You'll be terrible as a sorcerer and terrible as a fighter. 24 Sorcerer/5 Blackguard/1 Monk is far better for you. Take Divine Shield, use full plate and laugh manically as your AC is far higher than most monsters can reach.
Optionally, go 4 Blackguard before epic and you'd be a decent spellsword too. Might go ahead with that, Just have to plan the feats etc, thanks for all the input!
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 16:56 PM |
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Simeron wrote: I was kinda thinking for a wizard build 25 General Wizard/ 4 fighter / 1 Rogue and be able to cast in full plate and tower shield up to level 9 spells (have to take 3 epic still spells to do it)
Think that would work? It works fine. You could optionally go 23 Wizard/6 Fighter/1 Rogue for an extra feat, though it does mean missing out on Greater Dispel immunity. _________________ "Let's unwrite these pages and replace them with our own words."
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Simeron
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 17:03 PM |
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Yeah, but I have to take 3 Epic Still Spells and going 25 Wiz gets me a free one of those so, I get the extra feat anyway...
Might do three rogue but not sure d6 extra sneak is worth it though the skills might come in handy...
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 17:05 PM |
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Wizards don't gain bonus feats every five levels once they're in epic.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 17:09 PM |
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You don't -need- Autostill. There are a bunch of 0% ASF armor and shields out there, or so I've been told here. Also, Sune I require your input on my questions above! 
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 17:12 PM |
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The shield or Epic Will thing? Shield, easily. The extra mythal slots you gain from a shield are easily better than +4 Will. You're a level 30 wizard, so your Mindblank is basically impossible to dispel as it is.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 17:21 PM |
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That's what I was thinking.
Initial reasoning for Iron Will was because he is strong mentally, so he's mostly maxed INT and has like 13 WIS starting. So ir was an RP bonus. But I was just thinking today that it's kind of wasting a feat.
Thanks to all that helped with that one. Almost like talking it through to myself ;D
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Simeron
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 17:32 PM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: Wizards don't gain bonus feats every five levels once they're in epic. Hmm...ok...that might be an issue then..heh...have to rework this...thanks Sune.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 19:04 PM |
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I've not played a spellsword. On paper it looks to me like your AB is so low that your fighting is relegated to additional DPS vs mobs, which is fine if it's cheap (like it is for caster Druids and Clerics to take Zen Archery), but it sounds expensive for a mage. You need to pony up another 7 slots for ability stats on your gearset, spend base points on getting it high enough to viable, cater to arcane failure by three epic feats, or a near-universal tier bump of your spells, or the downsides/DC-expense of 0% armour, and then you need to accept that you can't drop disabler/debuffer spells into every mob unless you wait for Tenser to expire. Or can it be cancelled?
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Sin4given
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 20:08 PM |
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Could I get some help on my question maybe  ?
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 20:16 PM |
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I don't know what your question is. Best quoting it because it gets lost easily and you've posted a fair few times recently.
If you're referring to a shifter build, Druid/Fighter/Shifter works better than Rogue/Druid/Shifter in my experience.
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Simeron
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 20:25 PM |
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Sin4given wrote: Could I get some help on my question maybe ? I'd say definite Ffolk for race. I would go a min of 10 on my stats except Cha...12 looks good to me. Personally, I would go: S 13 D 12 C 13 Wis 17 Int 13 Chr 8 With Ffolk adjustments this starts you out... S 12 D 12 C 14 Wis 18 Int 12 Chr 8 They dump all 7 points into Wis as you level and pop an epic feat giving you 1 more wis for a total of 8 for 26 wis...
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Sin4given
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 20:44 PM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: I don't know what your question is. Best quoting it because it gets lost easily and you've posted a fair few times recently.
If you're referring to a shifter build, Druid/Fighter/Shifter works better than Rogue/Druid/Shifter in my experience. Well I was thinking that, mainly because it might get 4 APR which would be a bit better in my opinion, but I'd be dropping the possibilityt of tumble. My main question was what stats should I go for? But seeing that my desire for a more tuned build has changed the question is now.. Would druid5/ranger6/shifter 19 with a Ffolk subrace get me what I want? I choose ranger because it gets tumble and Disc. I'm wanting all the epic shapes right now, including dragon, but I'm not too sure if it would actually gimp me even worse? Is that combo worth it?
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 21:39 PM |
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Ranger does not get Tumble and Discipline. It gets Spot and Discipline. No full BAB class exists that would get Tumble as a class skill, but that's only 3 AC without which you will survive.
It's a decent combo as it gets you a bonus feat to help you through your struggle for shapes. Getting all the shapes strikes me as a fractionally gimpish way to build around a Shifter, though I'd imagine it to have many perks in terms of PvM. However, to reach 4 APR, you can't have a spread of 5/6/19 as you must reach a pre-epic base attack bonus of 16 or above. Going Druid8/Ranger4/Shifter8 pre-epic is the only viable way of achieving the purpose of having a full BAB class in the mix. Consequently, it will also deny your try at Shifter19.
Druid8/Ranger5/Shifter17 is what you want to opt for with those classes.
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Falling Spider
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 22:45 PM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: If you're referring to a shifter build, Druid/Fighter/Shifter works better than Rogue/Druid/Shifter in my experience. Fun note, rogue sneak attacks don't stack with kobold form sneak attacks, but assassin class death attacks do. This is, at least, in the case of Base NWN shifters, but I imagine its the same for Amia ones. Shifter question! Is it possible/important to get 4 APR on a shifter with epic forms?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 23:56 PM |
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Falling Spider wrote: PaladinOfSune wrote: If you're referring to a shifter build, Druid/Fighter/Shifter works better than Rogue/Druid/Shifter in my experience. Fun note, rogue sneak attacks don't stack with kobold form sneak attacks, but assassin class death attacks do. This is, at least, in the case of Base NWN shifters, but I imagine its the same for Amia ones. Shifter question! Is it possible/important to get 4 APR on a shifter with epic forms? Define "epic forms". 5 Druid/6 Full BAB Class/19 Shifter should get 4 attacks if at lewast 4 or 5 full BAB are taken pre epic.
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 0:04 AM |
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Others have me wondering...what are available cleric Epic spells? Aly is getting close, and I'd like some plan for it.
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Falling Spider
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 0:27 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Falling Spider wrote: PaladinOfSune wrote: If you're referring to a shifter build, Druid/Fighter/Shifter works better than Rogue/Druid/Shifter in my experience. Fun note, rogue sneak attacks don't stack with kobold form sneak attacks, but assassin class death attacks do. This is, at least, in the case of Base NWN shifters, but I imagine its the same for Amia ones. Shifter question! Is it possible/important to get 4 APR on a shifter with epic forms? Define "epic forms". 5 Druid/6 Full BAB Class/19 Shifter should get 4 attacks if at lewast 4 or 5 full BAB are taken pre epic. The epic versions of the basic shapes. Feats count too I guess but 10 levels should be enough to pick those all up.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 0:44 AM |
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I want 19 shifter though lol..
I may just stick to Druid/Rog/Shifter lol
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Ulir
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 0:46 AM |
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Uberuce wrote: I've not played a spellsword. On paper it looks to me like your AB is so low that your fighting is relegated to additional DPS vs mobs, which is fine if it's cheap (like it is for caster Druids and Clerics to take Zen Archery), but it sounds expensive for a mage. You need to pony up another 7 slots for ability stats on your gearset, spend base points on getting it high enough to viable, cater to arcane failure by three epic feats, or a near-universal tier bump of your spells, or the downsides/DC-expense of 0% armour, and then you need to accept that you can't drop disabler/debuffer spells into every mob unless you wait for Tenser to expire. Or can it be cancelled? Tensers can be cancelled, but you cancel all other spells as well. Noone would do that. The EMA helps filling slots with different stats, but it still comes short somehow. _________________ 
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 1:16 AM |
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P Three wrote: Others have me wondering...what are available cleric Epic spells? Aly is getting close, and I'd like some plan for it. Clerics get everything but Epic Mage Armor (and Epic Warding on level 40 server).
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Growlot
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 4:31 AM |
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Eroki wrote: HELP Needed, My nerfed up WM Fighter build has got to critical stage, any help with a build that may be less apt to be killed by monsters yielding 1xp would be much appreciated... of course the RP comes first, athough it could go either way, specialising as a general fighter or as a weaponmaster of the axe.
Barbarian 1,Fighter 13,Weapon Master 7
STR: 22,DEX: 13,CON: 10,INT: 14,WIS: 10,CHA: 9
Discipline: 24,Heal: 15,Listen: 8,Lore: 10,Spot: 4,Intimidate: 4,CraftArmor: 19,CraftWeapon: 20
Cleave,Dodge,Imp Knockdown,Knockdown,Mobility,Pow Attack,Toughness,Imp Crit: Gr Axe,Weap Foc: Gr Axe,Barbarian Endurance,Darkvision,Barb Rage,Expertise,Imp Expertise,Spring Attack,Blind Fight,Ep Armor Skin,Whirlwind Attack,Ki Damage,Increase Multiplier,Superior Weap Foc:,Ki Critical,Weap Choice: Greataxe
So the options, 5 more WM but lose any chance of Dev crit in exchange for a +2 AB bonus. Something Like:
22: Fighter(14): Weapon Specialization: Greataxe
23: Weapon Master(8)
24: Weapon Master(9): STR+1, Epic Will, (STR=23)
25: Weapon Master(10)
26: Weapon Master(11)
27: Weapon Master(12): Epic Fortitude
28: Weapon Master(13): STR+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Greataxe, (STR=24)
29: Fighter(15)
30: Fighter(16): Skill Focus: Discipline, Epic Weapon Specialization: Greataxe
Or more Fighter? giving Dev crit but losing the 2 AB and some saves and discipline:
22: Fighter(14): Epic Weapon Focus: Greataxe
23: Fighter(15)
24: Fighter(16): STR+1, Epic Will, Weapon Specialization: Greataxe, (STR=23)
25: Fighter(17)
26: Fighter(18): Epic Weapon Specialization: Greataxe
27: Fighter(19): Great Strength I, (STR=24)
28: Fighter(20): STR+1, Great Cleave, (STR=25)
29: Fighter(21)
30: Fighter(22): Overwhelming Critical: Greataxe, Devastating Critical: Greataxe
Any thoughts much appreciated as I am ready to take the 22nd level now....
Simeron wrote: I would also pick option 1...more weapon master over fighter. You can also go option 2 and get back the +2 AB with a slight change in feats...but not sure you want to do that. Thanks Naivatkal and Simeron, good advice from both of you, and on thinking about it here is a revised concept, using fighter but without the dev crit. The Disarm Feat should give me +2 AB against small weapons and +6 AB against tiny weapons? and Epic prowess replaces the +1 WM bonus, and it will not be limited to just my Weapon of choice. Thanks again, and any comments are welcome. 22: Fighter(14): Epic Weapon Focus: Greataxe 23: Fighter(15) 24: Fighter(16): STR+1, Epic Will, Weapon Specialization: Greataxe, (STR=23) 25: Fighter(17) 26: Fighter(18): Epic Weapon Specialization: Greataxe 27: Fighter(19): Epic Fortitude 28: Fighter(20): STR+1, Epic Prowess, (STR=24) 29: Fighter(21) 30: Fighter(22): Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, Disarm
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 9:09 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Define "epic forms". 5 Druid/6 Full BAB Class/19 Shifter should get 4 attacks if at lewast 4 or 5 full BAB are taken pre epic. Nope. Druid5 is BAB 3. Full BAB class is 5. Shifter10 is BAB 7. This adds up to 15, which doesn't yield the fourth attack yet. The real bother is the pre-requisite of having five or more levels of Druid. _________________ UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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Ulir
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 11:28 AM |
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dayfer wrote: PaladinOfSune wrote: Sorcerer/Blackguards:
Don't bother with all this 12 Sorc/16 BG etc thing. You'll be terrible as a sorcerer and terrible as a fighter. 24 Sorcerer/5 Blackguard/1 Monk is far better for you. Take Divine Shield, use full plate and laugh manically as your AC is far higher than most monsters can reach.
Optionally, go 4 Blackguard before epic and you'd be a decent spellsword too. Might go ahead with that, Just have to plan the feats etc, thanks for all the input! Sorc 23/bg 6/bard 1, sorc 26/bg 3/bard 1 works too. Two or four bg levels pre-epic. _________________
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 15:53 PM |
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Yesh, but he wanted a LE character.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 15:59 PM |
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Uncle-Opustus wrote: Ranger does not get Tumble and Discipline. It gets Spot and Discipline. No full BAB class exists that would get Tumble as a class skill, but that's only 3 AC without which you will survive.
It's a decent combo as it gets you a bonus feat to help you through your struggle for shapes. Getting all the shapes strikes me as a fractionally gimpish way to build around a Shifter, though I'd imagine it to have many perks in terms of PvM. However, to reach 4 APR, you can't have a spread of 5/6/19 as you must reach a pre-epic base attack bonus of 16 or above. Going Druid8/Ranger4/Shifter8 pre-epic is the only viable way of achieving the purpose of having a full BAB class in the mix. Consequently, it will also deny your try at Shifter19.
Druid8/Ranger5/Shifter17 is what you want to opt for with those classes. After further thought, I'd rather not expand my self out so much just to get all shapes. I'd be happy wiht just getting all the epics, save for dragon, but how would I only lose 3 AC? Tumble dump would get me 6 AC, right? If it is only 3, I can live without that honestly. As for the 4 APR, it's tempting. I'm not sure how I'd play a Divine champion in a shifter build, especally when the concept is he is a greedy git. On my other shifter with the HS levels, he had the AC and the svaes but his AB lacked horribly. I'd just like to change that in this new PC and make him more of a threat, then just a rock that is hard to hit.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 17:20 PM |
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Loss of AC is three, because Tumble can be taken cross-class. 15 ranks = +3 AC.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 17:21 PM |
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Ah.. I could live with that honestly.
But, any suggestions on my other questions?
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 17:52 PM |
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I personally like 5 Druid/6 Fighter/19 Shifter the most if you want a heavy shifter build that's versatile and doesn't really focus on any forms. Though, if you want form specialisation... Risen Lord = Dwarven Defender, Dragon = Divine Champion, Rakshasa = heavy druid for Empower Spell... and so on.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sat, Sep 24 2011, 17:54 PM |
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The more I think of it, the better it looks. 6 Ftr would give a better AB then my other shifter..
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 5:57 AM |
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I'm thinking I'll go with the aforementioned build. Though, do you have any tips on how I should build it Sune? I was thinking maybe a high INT base for skillpoints, with a good CON too..
Thoughts?
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Ulir
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 12:03 PM |
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You won't get four APR without six druid levels, or seven fighter levels btw. Druid 5/Shifter 8/Fighter 7, or Druid 6/Shifter 8/Fighter 6 pre-epic. Just saying.
With 14 charima, you can also fetch 8 cleric levels and get divine shield/might on all your shapes. You won't get all the shapes though. Could work rather well with certain epic shapes.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 13:10 PM |
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Hm, not too savvy on getting a shifter with Divine powers heh.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 13:35 PM |
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Sin4given wrote: The more I think of it, the better it looks. 6 Ftr would give a better AB then my other shifter.. Dont rely on ab. A shifters ab is weak. 30-40, max.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 13:50 PM |
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This I know, I was just hoping I could make a build that would be more offensive, but ah, well.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 13:51 PM |
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No, you won't get 4 APR with it. But you do get 2 more BAB than the rogue version, more feats and Discipline. The Discipline can be especially important considering the low AC of some forms. No AC and no Discipline = say goodbye to ever meleeing.
Anyway, my personal recommend for stats on a base human:
10 STR
10 DEX
14 CON
14 INT
18 WIS
08 CHA
That gives you enough for 15 Tumble, 33 Discipline, which is all you really need. You can also take Spellcraft with your druid levels for more saves toward spells.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 13:55 PM |
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Cool. Thankee Sune!
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 13:59 PM |
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By the way, pre-epic feats I recommend:
Alertness, Toughness, Great Fortitude, Improved Critical: Unarmed, Blind-Fight, IKD and Improved Expertise. You have another one spare. I put it in Zen Archery so I could use the manticore and medusa forms well but it could also go into Skill Focus: Discipline if preferred.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 14:17 PM |
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To get improved knock down and improved expertise, don't I need their predecessors? Why Improved Crit unarmed? Does it count for the Creature Weapon?
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 15:18 PM |
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Yes, you do need the predecessors. I was including them. And yeah, Improved Critical does count for creature weapon but not Weapon Focus.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 23:58 PM |
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What about shapes like Risen Lord where it has a Scythe? Do you need WF Scythe?
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Ulir
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 23:59 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Sin4given wrote: The more I think of it, the better it looks. 6 Ftr would give a better AB then my other shifter.. Dont rely on ab. A shifters ab is weak. 30-40, max. 44 ab with Azer. Iron golem can get 46 if not more. _________________
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Ulir
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Posted: Sun, Sep 25 2011, 23:59 PM |
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Naivatkal wrote: What about shapes like Risen Lord where it has a Scythe? Do you need WF Scythe? WF works for weapons. Epic wf too, as well as dev and such. _________________
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Mon, Sep 26 2011, 0:13 AM |
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Do you need WF for the shape weapon, or for whatever weapon you use that merges into the shape?
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Mon, Sep 26 2011, 0:20 AM |
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For the shape weapon. If you're making a shifter with scythe feats you should just focus on Risen Lord with Epic DR though, really.
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