Stats: To account for the difference races here and in subsequent build posts, I'll only put a definite score where it's critical to the build prerequisites; if it's a value added to base, then it's optional, although in this case adding points to anything but CON is weakening the character. If you have a STR-boosting race then you can either stay at 18 and give more love to the other stats or start at 19 and free up an epic feat, or make the jump to 28 end STR.
STR: 18 -> 25 from all levelups. Great STR evens to 26. DEX: 13 CON: +4 from base WIS: 0 from base INT: 13 CHA: 0 from base
Level order: Ftr6; WM7; Ftr 7,8,9,10; WM 8,9,10.
Feats: 1(if Human) Power Attack, and then swap in Improved Knockdown later on, or go for Exotic Prof and that kinda weapon. 1 Dodge Ftr1 Mobility Ftr2 Weapon Focus 3 Spring Attack Ftr4 Weapon Specialisation 6 Expertise Ftr6 Whirlwind Attack ~Houston, we have a Weaponmaster, unless you forgot to crossclass 4 ranks in Intimidate, in which case we have a problem~ 9 Improved Criticism 12 Knockdown Ftr8 Power Attack 15 Cleave Ftr10 Blindfight 18 Great Cleave
This version rushes for WM, and tacks on the Devcrit reqs as an afterthought. You can rejig this to rush for Great Cleave at level 4, which, especially for twohandering WMs, makes the 4-10 stretch pass in a heartbeat. Whether that makes the longer wait for WM massacring worth it is something I've never measured rigorously.
I don't rate Devcrit as anything but a PvP tool, hence me leaving it till last, but rejigging to get it earlier is none too hard.
Up until level 20 for a twohanderer and level 25 for a blade'n'board, this build can solo for XP really fast. Then it hits a brick wall where buffing or tanking is your only hope of seeing more than 20/kill. This isn't actually terrible, mind - a WM can still get XP on the 'whale' model of huge numbers of very small meals quicker than some builds manage on the 'lion' model of a great big meal once every so often. But you'll be unimaginably bored of the giant's voiceset by the end of it.
In RP's PvP, the WM is the most dangerous character in the room, as long as it can see everyone, and as long as it's the first two rounds of the battle. After that, your power drops off a cliff as people gather up their ability to kill you.
That's sort of the running theme with the stock WM: you're exceptionally deadly, but unless you've got friends who have stopped people trying to kill you, or have buffed your AC and saves/immunities so high that you have become hard to kill, then you're pretty much toast in seconds.
Roleplay(hereonin is purely Uberuce's opinions. Unlike the maths above he's not going to argue about them):
You have almost no wiggle room on stats, so you're pretty much locked into being a big of an abrasive reckless git, but without the excuse of being stupid. The stat stuff doesn't bother me as much as the lack of Wumbamumba-ness that I have myself been guilty of in the past.
A Weaponmaster isn't just someone that's kinda good with any given weapon. That's just everyone who's got Focus and Improved Crits, ie no big deal. A Weaponmaster is someone whose whole being goes electric joogaloo bodysauce totes amaze dead emosh hello to Jason Isaacs when it holds their Weapon of Choice.
Weaponmasters should only be able to marry not just polygamous people, but polygamous people at the extreme end of acceptance of being the nonfavoured spouse, because they will be a Hubble Ultra Deep Field distant second to that WM's killingstick.
That's where the ridiculous DPS comes from. Be a darling and RP it, yus?
Just curious after reading your epic dodge build thread what is the worth in this devcrit wm build in the sense that you say the epic dodge will eat the it for breakfast, shouldn't people wanting a strong melee just use the epic dodge build instead? Or is there some use for this build over the epic dodge excepting pvp?
Nat.
_________________ Aggie AgethaWar Knight (much to the chagrin of certain players and character )
The use is for your character to be big and burly. Also, STR is the obvious choice for devastating damage which, as Uce explains in his post, has a different dynamic in both PvP and PvM compared to the "attrition war" type of its stealthier, epicly dodging counterpart:
Quote:
In RP's PvP, the WM is the most dangerous character in the room, as long as it can see everyone, and as long as it's the first two rounds of the battle. After that, your power drops off a cliff as people gather up their ability to kill you.
That's sort of the running theme with the stock WM: you're exceptionally deadly, but unless you've got friends who have stopped people trying to kill you, or have buffed your AC and saves/immunities so high that you have become hard to kill, then you're pretty much toast in seconds.
That is the difference. The fact that Epic Dodge is better than Devastating Critical means that the feat is better; the two builds are still distinguished by their other merits.
_________________ Every time you clock in the morning, I feel you just want to kill All my innocence while ignoring my purpose to persevere as a better person I know you heard this and probably in fear -Kendrick Lamar, good kid
Yeah I read both posts so didn't really need a quote from them lol, it doesn't actually explain anything. If it did I would not have had to ask the question in the first place.
But never mind I was just curious.
Nat
_________________ Aggie AgethaWar Knight (much to the chagrin of certain players and character )
I didn't really understand your question then, sorry!
_________________ Every time you clock in the morning, I feel you just want to kill All my innocence while ignoring my purpose to persevere as a better person I know you heard this and probably in fear -Kendrick Lamar, good kid
That is pretty much explained in the quote and in my answer. Uce's diction precisely is "[The epic dodge WM] eats the STR WM for breakfast." This means that in the toe-to-toe combat of Epic Dodge WM vs Dev Crit WM, Uce wagers his cowmilk on the victory of the Epic Dodge variant. This doesn't allude to the STR WM being inferior by default, it just means that they have different strengths that in a duel would favour the Epic Dodge WM. The biggest perk of the STR WM, as Uce has mentioned many a time and oft, is that you're the game's deadliest damage output, i.e. how likely it is for you to dish out enough damage for your enemy to die. The DEX (Epic Dodge) WM, in comparison, cannot match this lethality, but is more solid and versatile in other ways (better AC, Epic dodge, sneak skills, traps, etc.).
_________________ Every time you clock in the morning, I feel you just want to kill All my innocence while ignoring my purpose to persevere as a better person I know you heard this and probably in fear -Kendrick Lamar, good kid
Yeah not to repeat myself but the quote doesn't actually make anything clear as to what use the dcb is over the edb.
And if the dcb has such lethal damage output why is it "eaten from breakfast" by the edb, that is a pretty unequivocal statement of power for the edb and does in fact clearly state that the dcb is massively inferior.
If it can be eaten by the edb then it therefore follows that whatever lethality the dcb bring it is comprehensively trumped by the lethality of the edb.
So I will ask again and hope for a plain English answer as to what does the dcb have going for it that the edb does not that would make anyone chose it over the edb.
Point of note Uberuce says that both builds are best in the first two rounds of combat so nothing he says I can find actually elucidates what I want
Hence me keep asking.
If you can't answer this that is fine I was just curious for the reasons I already gave but quoting or pointing to quotes of the text I already don't find enlightening is just pointing me at the dark still
Nat.
P.S. not trying to be awkward I'm just crap a builds so its probably quite obvious to you I just need it spelled out
_________________ Aggie AgethaWar Knight (much to the chagrin of certain players and character )
Yep, I definitely do not understand your question then, sorry.
_________________ Every time you clock in the morning, I feel you just want to kill All my innocence while ignoring my purpose to persevere as a better person I know you heard this and probably in fear -Kendrick Lamar, good kid
Yep, I definitely do not understand your question then, sorry.
I'll try one more time because its bugging me now lol
If the Dev crit build is so crap it gets destroyed or "eaten for breakfast" by the Epic dodge build, what does the dev crit build have to recommend it that the epic dodge build does not provide. Because presumably the epic dodge build can also destroy whatever the dev crit build destroys in pvm.
_________________ Aggie AgethaWar Knight (much to the chagrin of certain players and character )
The fault in your thinking is that because the Dev Crit WM loses to the Epic Dodge WM in toe-to-toe combat, it is worse.
_________________ Every time you clock in the morning, I feel you just want to kill All my innocence while ignoring my purpose to persevere as a better person I know you heard this and probably in fear -Kendrick Lamar, good kid
The fault in your thinking is that because the Dev Crit WM loses to the Epic Dodge WM in toe-to-toe combat, it is worse.
That doesn't answer the question
If the dev crit build gets "eaten" by the epic dodge build it clearly is worst thats not a "fault in my thinking thats just obvious lol
It can't be as glib as simply saying "damage" as clearly the epic dodge has more damage potential coupled with nullifying the damage of the dev crit build.
So what if any reason would there be for choosing the dev crit build over the epic dodge build?
_________________ Aggie AgethaWar Knight (much to the chagrin of certain players and character )
If you look at the numbers (get it, numbers?), you can see that the Dev Crit version is worse in every respect other than AB and damage output. So those are the two things it is better at. Everything else, AC, skills, whatever, it is worse at. Why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't make the Dev Crit WM worse by default; there are different circumstances where they show what they're worth.
_________________ Every time you clock in the morning, I feel you just want to kill All my innocence while ignoring my purpose to persevere as a better person I know you heard this and probably in fear -Kendrick Lamar, good kid
Dev Critters have good output and will win faster than Epic Dodgers EXCEPT vs Epic Dodgers.
Epic Dodgers are Turtles, Dev Critters are hares, that 99% of the time will win, played right.
Excellent answer and just what I was looking for thank you.
Opustus wrote:
If you look at the numbers (get it, numbers?),
Don't pose riddles mate, either answer actually the question in a manner similar to 555444333 (i.e. clearly) or don't reply, certainly don't start being snide because frankly we have enough players posting crap on these forums in a supercilious manner and I want to believe that you are not really one of those.
Opustus wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't make the Dev Crit WM worse by default
Why was it so hard for you to give a succinct answer like 555444333 was able to do in two lines, and instead choose to be an arse (see my comment above) about it, really if you can't converse like a civilized adult best to stay away from the "postreply" button imo
Thanks for trying though but try to refrain from narky tones and wordings, its nice to be nice.
_________________ Aggie AgethaWar Knight (much to the chagrin of certain players and character )
Dev crit is only good if your opponent is an NPC, or doesn't know how to gear. Otherwise it's totally useless. If you want to 1-fish just get an on-hit stun weapon and save yourself two feats that can be used for epic saves and skill focuses. Those are actually useful.
_________________ Gerald Edmund Discord: Metal Viking Guy #5433
Sorry, Natalia, that wasn't my intention at all, although I have to confess I got my knickers in a twist trying to explain this to you. We simply don't speak the same language and that's fine.
_________________ Every time you clock in the morning, I feel you just want to kill All my innocence while ignoring my purpose to persevere as a better person I know you heard this and probably in fear -Kendrick Lamar, good kid
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Thanks for trying though but try to refrain from narky tones and wordings, its nice to be nice. 
