AMIA ARCHIVE • View topic - BUILD: Barbarian/Divine - Orog

Gave up on The Ranger/ bg woodelf build when i was unabel to get the rp to worke ont so i reused The thred for my new idea.

So is Barbarian divine Champion a combo that can worke? My inspiration is The eye of Gruumsh prestige class.
Any sugestions on build and potential class combos that can worke for this is wellcome.

Don't know much about Barbs, but it seems that Barb has important levels at around 15 (required for Terrifying Rage) and at 20 (for Mighty Rage). The class pretty much hits it peak at Barb 24, it seems. So 15-24 is the range if you want to build a Barb.

The Eye of Gruumsh class descriptions lists a few features:
* Madly Devoted to Gruumsh and crushing elves and anyone else, really
* Commanding other orcs
* Some Saves and Armor bonus
* Double-Greataxe
* Spit at people to make them Blind (like a Dilophosaurus in Jurassic Park?)

Purely to emulate that, Divine Champion and Knight Commander seems like a good fit.

However, the double-greataxe requires way too many feats and DEX 15 to make it work. We'll substitute Greataxe instead, I suppose.

Maybe something like Barb 20 / KC 5 / DC 4 (on an ECL +1 Orog.)?

Features: Mighty Rage, Terrifying Rage, 5 attacks with ferocity attack, KC auras, DR 13/-
Lacks: Everything else.

pre-epic (7 standard feats):
SF: Disc (for KC)
Toughness (for KC)
Weapon Focus (for DC)
Blind Fight (for/from prestige class)
Imp Crit
... and 2 more

Epic: (3 + 2 DC feats)
2x Rage, 3x EDR

STR 17 (19) -> 22
CON 17 -> 21 (asap)
DEX 8 (6)
INT 10
WIS 8 (6)
CHA 8 (10)

And 2 more attribute points to distribute to be less of a min-maxing munchkin ...

Skills:
3 maxed skills: Disc, Intimidate, Cross Class Tumble
Some leftover points for KC requirements.

Levelling order, which might just work out, but no guarantees ...

• Levelling order

I don't know if Terrifying Rage is worth it. It won't work against most players, unless they forgot their Mind blank ... And in PvM, fear is also one of the more annoying effects on a monster. Still, it's recommended sometimes. Epic Weapon Focus would probably be a more reliable and welcome addition.

In general, looking at that min-maxing and how much the build lacks ... You could simply leave out the KC (frees up skills and a feat), and go for a much more standard Barb 24 / DC 4 / Rogue 1 (bonus feat and a proper tumble dump). Then switch DC for Fighter instead (for another feat and maybe Epic Weapon Spec), and your damage would be a lot better, too. But you wouldn't be a mad warlord of Gruumsh anymore.

The people with actual knowledge can probably give you some real advice. ;)

Regards
Ts

Just thinking ... Something close to Barb 18/ Fighter 4/ Blackguard 7 with Divine Might/Shield might fit as well.
That build would drop the EDR and Mighty Rage, I suppose, and just go for Terrifying Rage, plus more Standard epic feats like EWF, WS+EWS and Armor Skin. The BG wouldn't have spells most likely, though, because WIS is too expensive on an Orog, and there aren't enough levels to make them last.

But the advantages would be: Nice damage (rage + epic weapon spec + divine might), nice saves, and good AC when needed. (The +2 dodge AC from Orog almost offsets the cross-class tumble). That build plays more to the strengths of the race, I guess, while still fitting thematically.

Not sure what the mix of STR/CON/CHA would be like, though. CHA 14-16 suffices and then a bit more STR than CON, I suppose.

The thanks for all the fish thread also links to a similar Barb 20 / BG 7 / Rogue 3 (which still needs to be adapted to ECL +1 here). Sounds nice, too.

Regards
Ts

I wrote up something like barb 17/DC 12/Bard 1 for a dead once and I can confidently say it's pretty awesome. Tons of saves, feats, rage stuff and Spellcraft on top of it all.

You could probably stand for a spread like 18/10/1, I'll write something up for you with numbers later.

bobofwestoregonusa wrote:

I wrote up something like barb 17/DC 12/Bard 1 for a dead once and I can confidently say it's pretty awesome. Tons of saves, feats, rage stuff and Spellcraft on top of it all.

You could probably stand for a spread like 18/10/1, I'll write something up for you with numbers later.

That sounds awesome, looking forward to se that.

Since I had it laying around in excel:

STR: 18 (21)
DEX: 15
CON: 16 (21)
WIS: 8
INT: 8
CHA: 6

Half-Orc: (Darkvision)
01: Barbarian(1): Weapon Proficiency Exotic
02: Barbarian(2): {Uncanny Dodge I}
03: Barbarian(3): Ambidexterity
04: Barbarian(4): CON+1, (CON=17)
05: Barbarian(5)
06: Barbarian(6): Two-Weapon Fighting
07: Barbarian(7)
08: Barbarian(8): CON+1, (CON=18)
09: Barbarian(9): Weapon Focus: Double Axe
10: Barbarian(10)
11: Barbarian(11)
12: Barbarian(12): CON+1, Improved Critical: Double Axe, (CON=19)
13: Barbarian(13)
14: Barbarian(14)
15: Barbarian(15): Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
16: Barbarian(16): CON+1, (CON=20)
17: Barbarian(17)
18: Barbarian(18): Blind Fight
19: Barbarian(19)
20: Barbarian(20): STR+1, (STR=19)
21: Champion of Torm(1): Great Constitution I, (CON=21)
22: Champion of Torm(2): Epic Weapon Focus: Double Axe
23: Champion of Torm(3): {Smite Evil}
24: Champion of Torm(4): STR+1, Epic Damage Reduction I, Epic Damage Reduction II, (STR=20)
25: Barbarian(21)
26: Barbarian(22)
27: Barbarian(23): Epic Damage Reduction III
28: Rogue(1): STR+1, (STR=21)
29: Rogue(2): {Evasion}
30: Barbarian(24): Mighty Rage, Terrifying Rage

Discipline 33(38), Intimidate 33(31), Tumble 30(32), UMD 3(1)

You've got damage reduction to even out your non shield usage. You will have just shy of 1k hit points as well, and effective hit points over 1k. Enjoy!

*EDIT!!!* Just realized you wanted orog, instead of half-orc. You'll have to switch around the stats a bit, but I think it still works. You would drop one of the levels of rogue to make it work on a +1 ecl.

I didn't forget about you, I just need to write your build again because my old laptop died. It's finished, and in remember it, I just need to post it.

bobofwestoregonusa wrote:

I didn't forget about you, I just need to write your build again because my old laptop died. It's finished, and in remember it, I just need to post it.

No hurry do it when you get some spare time.

]Oh boy do I ever have spare time right now; here's your build.

Some information on the build:

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Your gear:

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STR 18 (26 at level 30)
DEX 12 (Becomes 10)
CON 12
INT 12 (Becomes 14)
WIS 8 (Becomes 6)
CHA 12 (Becomes 16)
Unbuffed AB with a +4 weapon: 45
AB at +12 STR with a +4 weapon 47
Fortitude save with only a +4 cloak: 31
Bonus against spells/death attack/shadow daze from spellcraft: +5

1 Barbarian 1 Heavy Armor Proficiency
2 Barbarian 2
3 Barbarian 3 Weapon Focus: Trident
4 Barbarian 4 + 1 STR
5 Barbarian 5
6 Barbarian 6 Toughness
7 Barbarian 7
8 Barbarian 8 +1 STR
9 Barbarian 9 Knockdown
10 Barbarian 10
11 Barbarian 11
12 Barbarian 12 +1 STR, Great Fortitude
13 Barbarian 13
14 Barbarian 14
15 Barbarian 15 Improved Critical
16 Divine Champion 1 +1 STR
17 Divine Champion 2 Blind Fight
18 Divine Champion 3 Expertise
19 Divine Champion 4 Improved Knockdown
20 Barbarian 16 +1 STR

21 Divine Champion 5 Great STR 1
22 Divine Champion 6 Armor Skin
23 Divine Champion 7
24 Barbarian 17 Terrifying Rage +1 STR
25 Divine Champion 8 Epic Weapon Focus
26 Divine Champion 9
27 Barbarian 18 Thundering Rage (Take as much intimidate as possible here)
28 Divine Champion 10 Epic Prowess, +1 STR
29 Bard 1 (Max out tumble/discipline/spellcraft here)

Thanks allot that looks really interesting. Gonna try it out in a testmodel and then write up a backstory for the character and jump in-game.

I just noticed a mistake I made in your build! You need a 25+ STR score to take thundering rage! I've changed your starting STR score accordingly, and that will give you access to Thundering Rage! Your CHA score is 2 points lower now, which isn't a huge deal if you're only using it for durations anyway.

I apologize for that, I wrote this build in like twenty minutes.

I'm guessing one of the knockdown should be improved critical.

Divine champion also unlocks heavy armor for you, so that's another feat freed up.

Nope, Divine Champion only gives medium armor.

KnightOfKelemvor wrote:

I'm guessing one of the knockdown should be improved critical.

I knew I missed a feat somewhere! No, just replace lightning reflexes with improved critical. That was just a fast I stuck in because I couldn't tendency what else I needed.

Larsaan wrote:

Nope, Divine Champion only gives medium armor.

This is also correct. Fighter and Divine Champion are not the same class.

Whoops. That's my bad.

bobofwestoregonusa wrote:

KnightOfKelemvor wrote:

I'm guessing one of the knockdown should be improved critical.

I knew I missed a feat somewhere! No, just replace lightning reflexes with improved critical. That was just a fast I stuck in because I couldn't tendency what else I needed.

Well you put knockdown on both lvl 9 and 17. So I think I can swap out on of them.

KnightOfKelemvor wrote:

bobofwestoregonusa wrote:

KnightOfKelemvor wrote:

I'm guessing one of the knockdown should be improved critical.

I knew I missed a feat somewhere! No, just replace lightning reflexes with improved critical. That was just a fast I stuck in because I couldn't tendency what else I needed.

Well you put knockdown on both lvl 9 and 17. So I think I can swap out on of them.

Did I? Crap, sorry. I wrote that during my wait in the jury pool so I want really proud reading it very hard.

EDITED THE BUILD AGAIN

BECAUSE POSTING BUILDS YOU WROTE IN GUIDE MINUTES WITH NO SLEEP IS SMART

BUILD: Barbarian/Divine - Orog - Eye of Gruumsh

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