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Budly
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 20:23 PM 

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Budly being a Rogue 16/Ranger 10 is in bad need of a rebuild to fit the server now. He was built about almost 10 years ago with no build idea or concept in mind but letting it come with time as RP evolved him, like becoming a ranger cause he was a pupil under Ohlde Mann at the Grove.

I got some ideas from some players around here but thought I just start a thread where I can go back to this and look at it and write it down. I think I have to bind it to Ranger/Rogue still or something along those lines to not change to much of the concept and from the RP built around him. Adding maybe fighter lvls. But any idea is welcome. As of now Im unsure of his base stats but I will look them up if anyone want to know them. Atleast what he got right now.

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Tarnus
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 20:25 PM 

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I presume Budly is dex based then?

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 20:31 PM 

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Tarnus wrote:
I presume Budly is dex based then?


Yes

Horrible stats I noticed now too. I think I raised charisma and such on lvls.

Str: 12
Dex: 17
Con: 12
Int: 16
Wis: 12
Cha: 16

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Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.


 
      
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 20:57 PM 

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17 starting dex is fine, lots of people do it as it frees up an epic feat.

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 21:01 PM 

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Im not sure it is starting, I do not remember the starting stats. That is the stats on 26 so it might be anything from 15 to 17 I guess cause Im sure I dropped points into Int and Cha.

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Commie
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 21:10 PM 

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Budly wrote:
Im not sure it is starting, I do not remember the starting stats. That is the stats on 26 so it might be anything from 15 to 17 I guess cause Im sure I dropped points into Int and Cha.


Hit the player tools button and click characters and if you could scroll to the bottom of 'budly' and paste his level one self so we can know what we're working with. Your max level version too.

If you want anyway. Don't feel obligated to.

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 21:28 PM 

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I linked it, how do I add it here easily?

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 23 2017, 21:43 PM 

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I only find this. Sadly see no lvl 1.

Budly Bundly (gelmar)
Classes HP Race Deity Align Abilities Skills Feats Date
Rogue 16
Ranger 10 284 Lightfoot Hin Eilistraee NG STR: 12
DEX: 17
CON: 12
INT: 16
WIS: 12
CHA: 16
AnimalEmpathy: 18
DisableTrap: 16
Discipline: 6
Heal: 2
Hide: 20
Listen: 8
Lore: 6
MoveSilently: 16
OpenLock: 29
Parry: 6
Persuade: 8
PickPocket: 8
Search: 20
SetTrap: 15
Spot: 12
UseMagicDevice: 20
Appraise: 2
Tumble: 25
CraftTrap: 4
Bluff: 8
Intimidate: 4

Ambidexterity
Armor Proficiency Light
Armor Proficiency Medium
Dodge
Imp Two Weapon Fighting
Shield Proficiency
Toughness
Two Weapon Fighting
Weapon Finesse
Weap Prof: Martial
Weap Prof: Simple
Weap Prof: Rogue
Imp Crit: Shortbow
Imp Crit: Short Sword
Weap Foc: Short Sword
Skill Foc: Hide
Uncanny Dodge 1
Animal Companion
Trackless Step
Evasion
Imp Evasion
Snk Attack
Opportunist
Skill Aff: Listen
Skill Aff: Move Silently
Lucky
Fearless
Good Aim
Uncanny Dodge 2
Uncanny Dodge 3
Uncanny Dodge 4
Slippery Mind
Fav Enemy: Monstrous
Fav Enemy: Giant
Fav Enemy: Outsider
Snk Attack 2
Snk Attack 3
Snk Attack 4
Snk Attack 5
Snk Attack 6
Snk Attack 7
Snk Attack 8
RangerDual
Small
Stealthy
Ep Gr Dex 1
Ep Character

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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 0:38 AM 

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Hooboy, that's quite something to work with!

Generally with a dex build, you want to start with an 18 Dex so you can go for epic dodge easily. 16 INT, while nice for skillpoints, is usually impractical due to the expense of build points. The CHA really does nothing for a rogue/ranger build either, though I imagine you want to keep some for RP purposes, though whether Budly deserves to have a high CHA score like that is up to you and how you want to RP him.

There's also a matter of what you're looking for. A generic rogue is fine, but are you looking for something that focuses on stealth? Something with more frontline power? Rogue/ranger suggests more of a stealth focus, but if you want something more front-liney then there's other possibilities.

You also will want the knockdown and improved knockdown feats, it's critical for anyone who relies on sneak attack damage. I've done a ranged rogue before and while it's really good in party PvE, the complications in pulling it off are usually not worth it, unless you also take shadowdancer.

How critical is ranger to Budly? If it isn't, you could consider a 19/6/5 Rogue/Fighter/Master Scout build. If it is, you still could go 19/10/1 Rogue/Ranger/Something, or 16/10/4 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter. Try the starting stats: 10/16/12/14/12/14, or 10/18/12/14/12/10 if you think he shouldn't have such a high CHA score. The latter is better mechanically.

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Commie
 
PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 0:45 AM 

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i recommended the classic 13/10/7

primary rogue, plenty of sneaking, tons o skill points, super combat capable.

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 6:06 AM 

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The Ranger part is essential to the character. That is something I won't remove. Atleast a few levels is needed.

The Charisma part is honestly not fit for the character at all in RP. I think, he can be pretty crude and aggressive.

I been recommended ranger lvls from 24 to 29 aswell.

Commie, classic 13/10/7? That includes fighter levels?

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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 10:20 AM 

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He's referring to the 13/10/7 Rogue/Fighter/WM build. It's easily one of the strongest dex rogue builds out there, and is really strong in straight-up combat as well.

But if you can't part with Ranger for Budly, I'd recommend going 16/10/4 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter.

Here's my recommendation:

Starting Stats: 10/18/12/14/12/10
All stats into Dex.

Pre-epic: 12/8 Rogue/Ranger
Epic: 16/10/4 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter

Pre-epic Feats(7+1Rog): Blind Fight, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus (Shortsword), Knockdown, Improved Knockdown, IMPR Crit Shortsword, Weapon Focus Shortbow, Impr Evasion (Rogue Bonus)
Epic(4+2Rog+1Ran+3F): G-Dex 1, Epic Weapon Focus Shortsword, Weapon Specialization Shortsword, Epic Weapon Specialization Shortsword, Defensive Roll (Rogue Bonus), Epic Dodge, Armor Skin, Epic Prowess, ?, ?

Given the excess of bonus epic feats, you'll have to be careful with what you take when, since not all your levels line up neatly. You want your fourth fighter level on level 24 or 27 to get both WS and EWS at the same time. You need to take Epic Weapon Focus and Armor Skin on your fighter levels 1 an 2. You need to take epic prowess on your ranger level. Defensive roll and epic dodge will be your rogue bonus feats. G-Dex 1 should likely be taken as your main feat for level 21. I'd recommend taking fighter from 21 to 24 just to make things easier to manage.

That leaves you with two freebie feats, to spend on what you want. Either G-Dex 2-3, Epic Skill focus for hide and spot, or epic fortitude and will if you want saves feats.

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 10:24 AM 

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That looks great! But im not sure I want to go through the fuzz of recreating Budly under a new name or altered name just for fixing stats.

Sorry for being a picky bastard! I guess I have to go with a full rebuild. From scratch. Guess it means I can still save the old Budly in the Vault as an relic from the passed.

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Budly : Has gone to a better place.
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Tarnus
 
PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 12:30 PM 

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We can just swap the appropriate name back in, just the name at creation needs to be different.

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Since you seem to like the build Kobra said, I'd just add tw othings. Unless I see it wrong, you shuld take rogue at level one for maximum min-maxing, because your first level skill points are multiplied by four. Doing that leaves you at 266 skill points, or just above 8 skills with 33 ranks. (Like, two skill points left over)


 
      
Budly
 
PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 14:03 PM 

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Oh yeah rogue at lvl 1 I know :) That is what he was from the start too so It won't feel very bad.

I also have ANOTHER ranger..I could use some build help with :P Almsot all my character could use some polish I think.

Also that is great Tarnus!

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Mon, Apr 24 2017, 20:56 PM 

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Tarnus wrote:
We can just swap the appropriate name back in, just the name at creation needs to be different.


So it is plauseable then to rebuild it from the core easily with that build?

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Budly : Has gone to a better place.
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Budly
 
PostPosted: Tue, Apr 25 2017, 22:01 PM 

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The1Kobra wrote:
He's referring to the 13/10/7 Rogue/Fighter/WM build. It's easily one of the strongest dex rogue builds out there, and is really strong in straight-up combat as well.

But if you can't part with Ranger for Budly, I'd recommend going 16/10/4 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter.

Here's my recommendation:

Starting Stats: 10/18/12/14/12/10
All stats into Dex.

Pre-epic: 12/8 Rogue/Ranger
Epic: 16/10/4 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter

Pre-epic Feats(7+1Rog): Blind Fight, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus (Shortsword), Knockdown, Improved Knockdown, IMPR Crit Shortsword, Weapon Focus Shortbow, Impr Evasion (Rogue Bonus)
Epic(4+2Rog+1Ran+3F): G-Dex 1, Epic Weapon Focus Shortsword, Weapon Specialization Shortsword, Epic Weapon Specialization Shortsword, Defensive Roll (Rogue Bonus), Epic Dodge, Armor Skin, Epic Prowess, ?, ?

Given the excess of bonus epic feats, you'll have to be careful with what you take when, since not all your levels line up neatly. You want your fourth fighter level on level 24 or 27 to get both WS and EWS at the same time. You need to take Epic Weapon Focus and Armor Skin on your fighter levels 1 an 2. You need to take epic prowess on your ranger level. Defensive roll and epic dodge will be your rogue bonus feats. G-Dex 1 should likely be taken as your main feat for level 21. I'd recommend taking fighter from 21 to 24 just to make things easier to manage.

That leaves you with two freebie feats, to spend on what you want. Either G-Dex 2-3, Epic Skill focus for hide and spot, or epic fortitude and will if you want saves feats.


I think I will try this one. I need to bring out an IC explanation for the rebuild, right?

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Budly : Has gone to a better place.
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Yeah. Though, considering you are essentially just changing the order, (I mean, you are 16/10 now, and will stay 16/10, it shouldn't be too difficukt. I mean, the IC reason can be the OOC reason: not wanting to be useless. :)


 
      
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I think his stats will be a bit rearranged to! :) I Mean he got 17 DEX on lvl 26 right now which is horrid!

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robbi320
 
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Oh, yeah. My experience just is that changes like that are easier, RP-wise, than major class changes. The slightly reduced cha might even fit him. :) Damn grumpy old fool. ;) Basically he got a bit wiser with age, if grumpier.

Just some suggestions how one might justify this. But it's completely up to you.


 
      
Budly
 
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It do kinda fits, he grown angrier, grumpier and less of a thinker. Even if he never was a thinker it fits :) Wiser but not always the smartest.

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Mon, May 15 2017, 22:21 PM 

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The1Kobra wrote:
He's referring to the 13/10/7 Rogue/Fighter/WM build. It's easily one of the strongest dex rogue builds out there, and is really strong in straight-up combat as well.

But if you can't part with Ranger for Budly, I'd recommend going 16/10/4 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter.

Here's my recommendation:

Starting Stats: 10/18/12/14/12/10
All stats into Dex.

Pre-epic: 12/8 Rogue/Ranger
Epic: 16/10/4 Rogue/Ranger/Fighter

Pre-epic Feats(7+1Rog): Blind Fight, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus (Shortsword), Knockdown, Improved Knockdown, IMPR Crit Shortsword, Weapon Focus Shortbow, Impr Evasion (Rogue Bonus)
Epic(4+2Rog+1Ran+3F): G-Dex 1, Epic Weapon Focus Shortsword, Weapon Specialization Shortsword, Epic Weapon Specialization Shortsword, Defensive Roll (Rogue Bonus), Epic Dodge, Armor Skin, Epic Prowess, ?, ?

Given the excess of bonus epic feats, you'll have to be careful with what you take when, since not all your levels line up neatly. You want your fourth fighter level on level 24 or 27 to get both WS and EWS at the same time. You need to take Epic Weapon Focus and Armor Skin on your fighter levels 1 an 2. You need to take epic prowess on your ranger level. Defensive roll and epic dodge will be your rogue bonus feats. G-Dex 1 should likely be taken as your main feat for level 21. I'd recommend taking fighter from 21 to 24 just to make things easier to manage.

That leaves you with two freebie feats, to spend on what you want. Either G-Dex 2-3, Epic Skill focus for hide and spot, or epic fortitude and will if you want saves feats.


I am lvl 21 with this build now and i noticed I could not pick Epic Dodge, I forgot Dodge on the lower lvls it seems! :(

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Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.


 
      
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PostPosted: Tue, May 16 2017, 0:01 AM 

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Type of feat: general (epic)
Prerequisite: 21st level, dexterity 25+, dodge, tumble 30 ranks, improved evasion, defensive roll


You cannot get epic dodge until you have all of those. Dodge is not a pre-req even though it says it is.

30 tumble means level 27 minimum. Stick to the build given, if you took dodge at 21 get a dm to de-level you.

what I would do, broken down by level.

Quote:
Class Race Fighter(10), Rogue(13), Weapon Master(7), Halfling

Abilies STR: 8
DEX: 20 (28)
CON: 14
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 8

30 Halfling: (Fearless, Good Aim, Lucky, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Move Silently, Small Stature)
F 01: Fighter(1): Dodge, Weapon Finesse
F 02: Fighter(2): Weapon Focus: Dagger
F 03: Fighter(3): Blind Fight
F 04: Fighter(4): DEX+1, Mobility, (DEX=21)
F 05: Fighter(5)
F 06: Fighter(6): Spring Attack, Expertise
F 07: Fighter(7)
F 08: Fighter(8): DEX+1, Whirlwind Attack, (DEX=22)
Ro 09: Rogue(1): Knockdown, 4 Intimidate Here, max tumble here
WM 10: Weapon Master(1): Weapon of Choice: Dagger
WM 11: Weapon Master(2)
WM 12: Weapon Master(3): DEX+1, Improved Critical: Dagger, (DEX=23)
WM 13: Weapon Master(4)
WM 14: Weapon Master(5)
WM 15: Weapon Master(6): Improved Knockdown
WM 16: Weapon Master(7): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
Ro 17: Rogue(2): {Evasion}
F 18: Fighter(9): Weapon Specialization: Dagger
Ro 19: Rogue(3): Max tumble, don't put >30 points in it, {Uncanny Dodge I}
Ro 20: Rogue(4): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
Ro 21: Rogue(5): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=26)
Ro 22: Rogue(6)
Ro 23: Rogue(7)
Ro 24: Rogue(8): DEX+1, Armor Skin, (DEX=27)
Ro 25: Rogue(9)
Ro 26: Rogue(10): Improved Evasion
Ro 27: Rogue(11): Epic Weapon Focus: Dagger
Ro 28: Rogue(12): DEX+1, (DEX=28)
Ro 29: Rogue(13): Defensive Roll, Get UMD here if you want, you want either 12 after cha or max
F 30: Fighter(10): Epic Dodge, Epic Weapon Specialization: Dagger, Max Discapline here


replace dagger with whatever you want. skill levels are noted in the leveling up thing.

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Tue, May 16 2017, 0:06 AM 

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Dont think I can change the build now since I had to get it approved, but I can try the build you given some ot her time!

I didn't take the dodge thinking it was probably a reason for Kobra not to bring it on the list.

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Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
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Commie
 
PostPosted: Tue, May 16 2017, 1:08 AM 

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Budly wrote:
Dont think I can change the build now since I had to get it approved, but I can try the build you given some ot her time!

I didn't take the dodge thinking it was probably a reason for Kobra not to bring it on the list.


how did you take wm then without dodge

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Tue, May 16 2017, 23:52 PM 

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Commie wrote:
Budly wrote:
Dont think I can change the build now since I had to get it approved, but I can try the build you given some ot her time!

I didn't take the dodge thinking it was probably a reason for Kobra not to bring it on the list.


how did you take wm then without dodge


I never went WM.

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Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.


 
      
Commie
 
PostPosted: Wed, May 17 2017, 0:33 AM 

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Budly wrote:
Commie wrote:
Budly wrote:
Dont think I can change the build now since I had to get it approved, but I can try the build you given some ot her time!

I didn't take the dodge thinking it was probably a reason for Kobra not to bring it on the list.


how did you take wm then without dodge


I never went WM.


sorry. you quoted kobra talking about a WM build in the first sentence and I thought you went wm.

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Budly
 
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Bumping this! Found out on Discord I can tweak up Budly a bit more so I requested them to post it in here to see what can be done about it.

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Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.


 
      
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PostPosted: Sat, May 11 2019, 15:18 PM 

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I'm assuming your starting stats, and changing some a little to maximize your abilities:

Str: 10
Dex: 19
Con: 11
Int: 14
Wis: 12
Cha: 8 (unless you have a reason for needing Cha: 10, then I would do Con 10, Wis 11, Cha 10)

Technically, you don't need 10 ranger levels, you only need 9 for dual wielding. You could do 9 ranger and 5 fighter so you can take weapon specialization in pre epic and EWS in epic.

I also don't see a 3rd rogue specialization feat. You should have 3. Maybe Blinding Speed was the 3rd?

Pre Epic feats:
Blindfight
Weapon Finesse
Weapon Focus (dagger or kukri) because you can't dual wield shortswords without a -4 penalty for being small)
Imp Crit (dagger or kukri)
Weapon Specialization (dagger or kukri)
KD
IKD
Great Fort
Exotic weapon (kukri if you want too)
Dodge (for epic dodge)

Epic feats:
EWF: (dagger or kukri)
EWS: (dagger or kukri)
Armor Skin
Epic Prowess
Epic Dodge on level 16 rogue

I'll expand more later, have to go for now


 
      
Budly
 
PostPosted: Sat, May 11 2019, 16:09 PM 

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Blinding Speed probably was that! I screwed up the build somewhere!

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Sylveera : Sun Elven fury packed in an Arcane Archer, not a Drow, promise.
Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.


 
      
freaxxshow1338
 
PostPosted: Sat, May 11 2019, 17:45 PM 

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Dodge is Not needed for Epic Dodge.

25+ Dex
Improved Evasion
Defensive Roll
Tumble 30

Thats all you need.

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Gravemaskin
 
PostPosted: Sun, May 12 2019, 10:00 AM 

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I'll give my suggestion. I thought it's funny because it lets you keep Budly's ranger theme as the main focus, and embrace the meme of Budly fighting everyone by going favored enemy PC races.

21 ranger, 6 fighter, 3 rogue.
Take all rogue levels at epic levels to keep full BAB.

12 str
17(24) dex
12 con
14 int
14 wis
8 cha

198 skill points total. enough to max out Discipline, tumble, umd, heal, animal empathy, spot

Pros:
* 4(5 if you don't grab epic prowess) favored enemies, I'd recommend picking either common monster types for PvE like Undead, Outsider etc. OR 4/5 PC races.
* Bane of Enemies - extra 2d6 bonus damage against favored enemies, totalling 2d6+5 with favored enemy. This gets you out of the low damage hole that dex users can end up in by using the ranger class niche for it rather than another class such as WM. It also lets you murderize favored enemy PCs in 6 seconds flat if they are flatfooted for any reason.
* standard WS/EWS bonii
* Evasion
* Both good fort and reflex, easily hitting low to mid 40's with standard Abyss shop and mythalled gear.
* Can DC request Barkskin to free up the +4/+5 natural armor amulet for something better like a +6 unisave one for instance.
* Can +5/keen both weapons, allowing you to Mythal some extra stats on your weapons such as bonus str, dex or con to free up other gear slots
* Full access to all ranger spells, both the worthwhile ones and the PnP ones for events
* 21 Animal companion to help clear stuff
* Decent spot, even without epic skill focus if you have spotting gear on the sly.

Cons:
* 50ish AC with standard abyssal/mythalled gear, +7 more if swapping dualwielding for sword and shield.
* 47 AB(46), 45(44) dualwielding unbuffed. It's ok I guess, has the potential to get buffed out the wazoo with proper potions/mages around.(parenthesis stats is if you switch out epic prowess for another favored enemy)
* You have to go for daggers or kukri since they are the only ones that count as offhand light for halflings. Kukri is decent but needs the extra feat. Dagger is meh but can get 2d6 bonus damage instead of the normal 2d4 cap for 1 handers due to shit base stats. I'd say go with the kukri, those crits are going to be frequent and deadly against favored enemies. Still listing it as a con though.
* 318 base HP without con gear or buffs. Below average.
* You have to decide on build creation what to focus on, PvP or PvE content due to Favored enemy/Bane of Enemy.
* Pain in the ass to level, even with the animal companion because rogue levels are grabbed late and bane of enemies only comes into play at level 30.

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Budly
 
PostPosted: Sun, May 12 2019, 10:37 AM 

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Looks interesting! And lots of favoured enemy. But he is simply missunderstood! :lol:

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Plays:
Sylveera : Sun Elven fury packed in an Arcane Archer, not a Drow, promise.
Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.


 
      
Mask and Riddle
 
PostPosted: Tue, May 14 2019, 22:18 PM 

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Halfling, 14 int, rogue 16/ranger 10/fighter 4, starting on a rogue level will net:
19*10, 10*6, 4*4= 266 skill points

33 discipline
33 hide
33 move silently
30 tumble
21 UMD
So far that’s 108, 116 remaining

You can really be a primary rogue with this build, putting points into search, listen, spot. Disarm and open lock require very little skill point investment, as does craft trap, but set trap takes a lot.

Thinking more...


 
      
Budly
 
PostPosted: Tue, May 14 2019, 23:30 PM 

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That looks interesting indeed!

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Sylveera : Sun Elven fury packed in an Arcane Archer, not a Drow, promise.
Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.


 
      
bobofwestoregonusa
 
PostPosted: Tue, Jun 11 2019, 5:16 AM 

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Get yourself that sweet 15 spellcraft and put on spellcraft gloves when you run into save spam to save yourself some pain. You can still roll a 1 vs anything but I'd rather fail only on a 1. I can talk options for optimizing saves when I've done some thinking but halfling essentially get a second luck of heroes feat for free from their racial so they can get better saves than just about anyone but dwarves in some cases.

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