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Yeah, the problem is the AA need spellcasting. And I went ranger for the ranged feats it gets.

That's why I asked. Nope, in 3.0 they don't get anything for ranged. 3.5 they do, and some servers have adopted that.

Class Race Monk(10), Wizard(1), Arcane Archer(17), Drow

Abilies STR: 10
DEX: 20 (28)
CON: 12
WIS: 12
INT: 12
CHA: 10

28 Drow: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness)
M 01: Monk(1): Point Blank Shot, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
M 02: Monk(2): {Deflect Arrows}
M 03: Monk(3): Rapid Shot
M 04: Monk(4): DEX+1, (DEX=21)
M 05: Monk(5)
M 06: Monk(6): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
M 07: Monk(7)
M 08: Monk(8): DEX+1, (DEX=22)
M 09: Monk(9): Toughness, {Improved Evasion}
W 10: Wizard(1): {Scribe Scroll}
AA 11: Arcane Archer(1)
AA 12: Arcane Archer(2): DEX+1, Great Fortitude, (DEX=23)
AA 13: Arcane Archer(3)
AA 14: Arcane Archer(4)
AA 15: Arcane Archer(5): Improved Critical: Longbow
AA 16: Arcane Archer(6): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
AA 17: Arcane Archer(7)
AA 18: Arcane Archer(8): Blind Fight
AA 19: Arcane Archer(9)
AA 20: Arcane Archer(10): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
AA 21: Arcane Archer(11): Epic Prowess
AA 22: Arcane Archer(12)
AA 23: Arcane Archer(13)
AA 24: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, Great Dexterity I, (DEX=27)
AA 25: Arcane Archer(15)
AA 26: Arcane Archer(16)
M 27: Monk(10): Armor Skin
AA 28: Arcane Archer(17): DEX+1, (DEX=28)

Class Race Ranger(9), Bard(2), Arcane Archer(19), Elf

Abilies STR: 10
DEX: 20 (30)
CON: 10
WIS: 12
INT: 12
CHA: 8

30 Elf: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness)
R 01: Ranger(1): Point Blank Shot, Favored Enemy I, {Dual Wield}
R 02: Ranger(2)
R 03: Ranger(3): Rapid Shot
R 04: Ranger(4): DEX+1, (DEX=21)
R 05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy II
R 06: Ranger(6): Weapon Focus: Longbow
R 07: Ranger(7)
R 08: Ranger(8): DEX+1, (DEX=22)
R 09: Ranger(9): Toughness, {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting}
Ba 10: Bard(1)
AA 11: Arcane Archer(1)
AA 12: Arcane Archer(2): DEX+1, Great Fortitude, (DEX=23)
AA 13: Arcane Archer(3)
AA 14: Arcane Archer(4)
AA 15: Arcane Archer(5): Improved Critical: Longbow
AA 16: Arcane Archer(6): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
AA 17: Arcane Archer(7)
AA 18: Arcane Archer(8): Blind Fight
AA 19: Arcane Archer(9)
AA 20: Arcane Archer(10): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
AA 21: Arcane Archer(11): Epic Prowess
AA 22: Arcane Archer(12)
AA 23: Arcane Archer(13)
AA 24: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Great Dexterity I, Great Dexterity II, (DEX=28)
AA 25: Arcane Archer(15)
AA 26: Arcane Archer(16)
AA 27: Arcane Archer(17): Armor Skin
AA 28: Arcane Archer(18): DEX+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, (DEX=29)
AA 29: Arcane Archer(19)
Ba 30: Bard(2): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=30)

Class Race Fighter(10), Bard(2), Arcane Archer(18), Elf

Abilies STR: 10
DEX: 20 (30)
CON: 12
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 8

30 Elf: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness)
F 01: Fighter(1): Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot
F 02: Fighter(2): Weapon Focus: Longbow
F 03: Fighter(3): Expertise
F 04: Fighter(4): DEX+1, Weapon Specialization: Longbow, (DEX=21)
F 05: Fighter(5)
F 06: Fighter(6): Improved Expertise, Called Shot
F 07: Fighter(7)
F 08: Fighter(8): DEX+1, Blind Fight, (DEX=22)
F 09: Fighter(9): Improved Critical: Longbow
Ba 10: Bard(1)
AA 11: Arcane Archer(1)
AA 12: Arcane Archer(2): DEX+1, Great Fortitude, (DEX=23)
AA 13: Arcane Archer(3)
AA 14: Arcane Archer(4)
AA 15: Arcane Archer(5): Skill Focus: Discipline
AA 16: Arcane Archer(6): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
AA 17: Arcane Archer(7)
AA 18: Arcane Archer(8): Toughness
AA 19: Arcane Archer(9)
AA 20: Arcane Archer(10): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
AA 21: Arcane Archer(11): Epic Prowess
AA 22: Arcane Archer(12)
AA 23: Arcane Archer(13)
AA 24: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Great Dexterity I, Great Dexterity II, (DEX=28)
AA 25: Arcane Archer(15)
AA 26: Arcane Archer(16)
AA 27: Arcane Archer(17): Armor Skin
AA 28: Arcane Archer(18): DEX+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, (DEX=29)
F 29: Fighter(10): Epic Weapon Specialization: Longbow
Ba 30: Bard(2): Great Dexterity III, Max UMD, Tumble, Disc, (DEX=30)

The whole 'concept making' I can understand too well. I mean, I like to imagine characters. Problem is, realizing too many, or rather trying to, gets you burnt out from leveling, and you don't have enough time on one character to develop RP. (My opinion, others disagree, many others might also have more time/more efficient leveling though)
And, well, recently my concepts include: Dex Blackguard, Red Dragon Disciple, Shadow Dragon Disciple, Fire Sorceror, so many things. It's kind of awesome how much you can do.

I can understand not wanting to give up on a character though. I know that problem. It's not that much you've done, but the bit of RP you had, the items you got from people, you don't want to give that up.

robbi320 wrote:

Yeah! ^^ I appreciate the help of course! I should have asked before making the character!

Budly wrote:

robbi320 wrote:

Yeah! ^^ I appreciate the help of course! I should have asked before making the character!

you can just take the ranger build, use sorc instead of bard, and go 19 aa (1 ranger in epic for disc) and be fine.

i just linked the builds I had handy for AA.

Author:	Budly [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 16:15 PM ]
Post subject:	Building an elven archer
Since I already put up Budly, an over 10 year old character. I might aswell put up a more recent character. Any advice or pointers is welcomed! The idea of this character is to create a Arcane Archer and follower of the Black Archer. What is the potentiality of the build and what can I do with it in the coming levels? Ranger 5 Sorcerer 1 54 Moon Elf CN STR: 10 DEX: 19 CON: 10 INT: 12 WIS: 12 CHA: 14 AnimalEmpathy: 1 Concentration: 7 Discipline: 6 Heal: 2 Hide: 5 Listen: 5 MoveSilently: 3 Search: 6 Spellcraft: 3 Spot: 5 Ambidexterity Armor Proficiency Light Armor Proficiency Medium Point Blank Shot Shield Proficiency Two Weapon Fighting Weapon Finesse Weap Prof: Martial Weap Prof: Simple Weap Foc: Longbow Trackless Step Immunity To Sleep Hardiness Versus Enchantments Skill Aff: Listen Skill Aff: Search Skill Aff: Spot Keen Sense Weap Prof: Elf Fav Enemy: Orc Fav Enemy: Undead Lowlightvision RangerDual Mount Actions

Author:	Commie [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 17:40 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
I have a version of this build but it's for Drow. I'll post it when I get home, either way it will be very easy to repurpose it for a not chaotic evil elf race. And frankly if you're level six only you would be better off just making a new character. Level five is like two hours.

Author:	Budly [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 19:17 PM ]
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I leave it at what it is. Got plenty of gifts from other elves and such. Tons of arrows, bows and in character training.

Author:	Commie [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 19:28 PM ]
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Honestly then just get 19 AA and one epic Ranger for discipline at level 29.

Author:	Commie [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 19:29 PM ]
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It's a shame you didn't do barred for your one level of multiclassing, because then you could get tumble and umd too. Which are both stellar on an aa.

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Author:	Commie [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 19:30 PM ]
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At least get 15 tumble though. That's mandatory.

Author:	robbi320 [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 19:50 PM ]
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Well, if you would really want to optimise something, I doubt rebuilding that character would be much of a problem. At the same time, I don't see many ways you could go too wrong, since Ranger and 19 AA will be a pretty high AB.

Author:	Budly [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 20:21 PM ]
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Yeah, the problem is the AA need spellcasting. And I went ranger for the ranged feats it gets.

Author:	Commie [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 20:29 PM ]
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Budly wrote: Yeah, the problem is the AA need spellcasting. And I went ranger for the ranged feats it gets. That's why you go one bard. Get tumble and disc. Usually fight/bard/aa or the op monk/sorc/aa

Author:	That Guy [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 20:30 PM ]
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What ranged feats?

Author:	Commie [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 20:32 PM ]
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The usual array, point blank rapid shot etc. When I'm home from work ill post the build. I think monk works better due to ac from wisdom making up for the shield loss. But fight man with epic weapon spec and 18aa owns people. You have so much ab.

Author:	Budly [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 20:59 PM ]
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That Guy wrote: What ranged feats? Yeah what Commie said. The ranger do get some ranged feats for free doesn't it or am I mistaken here? Might be thinking of the melee oriented ranger.

Author:	That Guy [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 21:02 PM ]
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That's why I asked. Nope, in 3.0 they don't get anything for ranged. 3.5 they do, and some servers have adopted that.

Author:	Budly [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 21:06 PM ]
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That Guy wrote: That's why I asked. Nope, in 3.0 they don't get anything for ranged. 3.5 they do, and some servers have adopted that. Oh, I see! I come from an partially 3,5 server, POTM. So that might be my mistake. Oh well! Ranger fits her best anyway.

Author:	Commie [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 0:10 AM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Final skill spread on the last one looks like this by the way Discipline 33(36), Heal 16(15), Spellcraft 33(35), Spot 30(31), Tumble 30(40), UMD 30(29) take spellcraft and tumble on your bard levels. spot/heal are just there because there are points left. personally i'd level up with no skill investment (besides tumble/UMD at the early bard level to aid in leveling) at all until the final 2 levels. I just find it easier to keep track of my skill points when I can level and see I have 300 to spare or whatever. with anything but the monk build your ac is going to be mid 40's trash though so watch out, if someone manages to close the gap you might be in trouble. luckily you'll do boatloads of damage in the mean time. but that's why i like the monk drow version better, spell resist, movespeed, free stats, and monk gives you a bunch of that lost shield AC from wisdom.

Author:	Budly [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 0:37 AM ]
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Why the bard lvls? I do not think bard fits her. She is not a socialite at all. Nor do she sing or entertain people. I rather see 1 lvl of Sorc than Bard. Or even wizard. Bard do not fit at all! Sorry to make this more complicated than it should be but I try to balance my usual RP allowed to effect builds with not being useless. Charisma 8 and wisdom 8 makes her a walking idiot too. What is Bard based on when it comes to spells? I thought it was cha but it is int? EDIT: What I really aim at here is to not have ot rebuild her from scratch. I do not want to lose the equipment nor put two characters through the hassle of rebuild request. Im not abandoning the gear she got from others.

Author:	The1Kobra [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 1:45 AM ]
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Personally, I'd say monk/wizard/AA is the best one, though that requires lawful alignment. Monk gives bonus speed, tumble, and AC, all of which are useful for an AA. Wizard will give you a few spells in a pinch (true strike). So it's a good pick. Personally I tend to prefer 8/2/10 Pre-epic instead of 9/1/10, it gives you 1 more AB for 1 AC, but it also allows you to put 23 ranks into spellcraft at L20 for better saves vs spells. Still, monk/AA requires lawful alignment, which doesn't mesh so well with how elves are usually chaotic. I have trouble rationalizing it. I'm a big fan of the 13/2/15 Rogue/Wizard/AA build if you can manage it. Ton of skills, epic dodging, very good AB, truckload of damage from both AA and 7d6 sneak attacks. It's easily one of the best archer builds there is out there, and you have the skills for hiding, tracking, etc. Lastly, if you're looking for a wood elf character, the devcrit AA is a fun one. It's not the most effective since it's got lower AC and AB, but damn if it isn't fun having devcrit for both a bow and a melee weapon. Still, if you want to go with what you have, you can easily enough switch from ranger/sorc to ranger/bard, and go 9/2/19. Ranger won't do much for you but hey, good for the RP I guess? You could go 6/5/19 without harming your AB any though, and get a few more bard buffs if you want to keep the CHA score.

Author:	Budly [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 9:41 AM ]
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I really don't think bard fits at all. Jesus, this server is really all about optimizing and not playing a "fun" build anymore. Cause then you be useless. This will be hard to optimize... EDIT: Beside that, If I go Bard, yet again, I have to go through the fuzz of rebuilding.

Author:	Tarnus [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 21:11 PM ]
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Amia uses the default and for the most part unmodified nwn ranger, so no free feats there I'm afraid.

Author:	robbi320 [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 21:46 PM ]
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Ranger is, next to fitting RP for Shevarash (I think he's the Black Archer, right?), also decent enough as a base. The animal will help you (a bit) to survive early levels, it's a high BAB class, and you can cast cats grace, if you have the wisdom (not sure if 12 is enough for that). Still fighter would be one of the 'optimal' picks, but Ranger isn't terrible.

Author:	Budly [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 21:50 PM ]
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Yeah, I stick with Ranger even if it is not 3,5 version and not the absolute best

Author:	That Guy [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 21:54 PM ]
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Well... it's ranger for flair or fighter for 6 more damage. Rangers get twice the skill points that fighters do. Fighters would get more feats. If it's in the rp to go ranger, do that. If not, fighter is better mechanically.

Author:	Budly [ Mon, Apr 24 2017, 21:56 PM ]
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In her background she was a ranger in a no name forest close to the village/town she was born in. So for that reason I think I should keep it. Would be hypocracy for me otherwise.

Author:	Commie [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 0:01 AM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Drow version; Quote: Class Race Monk(10), Wizard(1), Arcane Archer(17), Drow Abilies STR: 10 DEX: 20 (28) CON: 12 WIS: 12 INT: 12 CHA: 10 28 Drow: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness) M 01: Monk(1): Point Blank Shot, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist} M 02: Monk(2): {Deflect Arrows} M 03: Monk(3): Rapid Shot M 04: Monk(4): DEX+1, (DEX=21) M 05: Monk(5) M 06: Monk(6): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown} M 07: Monk(7) M 08: Monk(8): DEX+1, (DEX=22) M 09: Monk(9): Toughness, {Improved Evasion} W 10: Wizard(1): {Scribe Scroll} AA 11: Arcane Archer(1) AA 12: Arcane Archer(2): DEX+1, Great Fortitude, (DEX=23) AA 13: Arcane Archer(3) AA 14: Arcane Archer(4) AA 15: Arcane Archer(5): Improved Critical: Longbow AA 16: Arcane Archer(6): DEX+1, (DEX=24) AA 17: Arcane Archer(7) AA 18: Arcane Archer(8): Blind Fight AA 19: Arcane Archer(9) AA 20: Arcane Archer(10): DEX+1, (DEX=25) AA 21: Arcane Archer(11): Epic Prowess AA 22: Arcane Archer(12) AA 23: Arcane Archer(13) AA 24: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, Great Dexterity I, (DEX=27) AA 25: Arcane Archer(15) AA 26: Arcane Archer(16) M 27: Monk(10): Armor Skin AA 28: Arcane Archer(17): DEX+1, (DEX=28) Elf-Ranger Quote: Class Race Ranger(9), Bard(2), Arcane Archer(19), Elf Abilies STR: 10 DEX: 20 (30) CON: 10 WIS: 12 INT: 12 CHA: 8 30 Elf: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness) R 01: Ranger(1): Point Blank Shot, Favored Enemy I, {Dual Wield} R 02: Ranger(2) R 03: Ranger(3): Rapid Shot R 04: Ranger(4): DEX+1, (DEX=21) R 05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy II R 06: Ranger(6): Weapon Focus: Longbow R 07: Ranger(7) R 08: Ranger(8): DEX+1, (DEX=22) R 09: Ranger(9): Toughness, {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting} Ba 10: Bard(1) AA 11: Arcane Archer(1) AA 12: Arcane Archer(2): DEX+1, Great Fortitude, (DEX=23) AA 13: Arcane Archer(3) AA 14: Arcane Archer(4) AA 15: Arcane Archer(5): Improved Critical: Longbow AA 16: Arcane Archer(6): DEX+1, (DEX=24) AA 17: Arcane Archer(7) AA 18: Arcane Archer(8): Blind Fight AA 19: Arcane Archer(9) AA 20: Arcane Archer(10): DEX+1, (DEX=25) AA 21: Arcane Archer(11): Epic Prowess AA 22: Arcane Archer(12) AA 23: Arcane Archer(13) AA 24: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Great Dexterity I, Great Dexterity II, (DEX=28) AA 25: Arcane Archer(15) AA 26: Arcane Archer(16) AA 27: Arcane Archer(17): Armor Skin AA 28: Arcane Archer(18): DEX+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, (DEX=29) AA 29: Arcane Archer(19) Ba 30: Bard(2): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=30) What I would do personally if I didn't want the drow build (or a modified non-drow version of monk aa) Quote: Class Race Fighter(10), Bard(2), Arcane Archer(18), Elf Abilies STR: 10 DEX: 20 (30) CON: 12 WIS: 8 INT: 14 CHA: 8 30 Elf: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness) F 01: Fighter(1): Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot F 02: Fighter(2): Weapon Focus: Longbow F 03: Fighter(3): Expertise F 04: Fighter(4): DEX+1, Weapon Specialization: Longbow, (DEX=21) F 05: Fighter(5) F 06: Fighter(6): Improved Expertise, Called Shot F 07: Fighter(7) F 08: Fighter(8): DEX+1, Blind Fight, (DEX=22) F 09: Fighter(9): Improved Critical: Longbow Ba 10: Bard(1) AA 11: Arcane Archer(1) AA 12: Arcane Archer(2): DEX+1, Great Fortitude, (DEX=23) AA 13: Arcane Archer(3) AA 14: Arcane Archer(4) AA 15: Arcane Archer(5): Skill Focus: Discipline AA 16: Arcane Archer(6): DEX+1, (DEX=24) AA 17: Arcane Archer(7) AA 18: Arcane Archer(8): Toughness AA 19: Arcane Archer(9) AA 20: Arcane Archer(10): DEX+1, (DEX=25) AA 21: Arcane Archer(11): Epic Prowess AA 22: Arcane Archer(12) AA 23: Arcane Archer(13) AA 24: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Great Dexterity I, Great Dexterity II, (DEX=28) AA 25: Arcane Archer(15) AA 26: Arcane Archer(16) AA 27: Arcane Archer(17): Armor Skin AA 28: Arcane Archer(18): DEX+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, (DEX=29) F 29: Fighter(10): Epic Weapon Specialization: Longbow Ba 30: Bard(2): Great Dexterity III, Max UMD, Tumble, Disc, (DEX=30) Yeah it gets imp expertise because you have a boatload of free feats available and can actually use the AC due to not having a shield but still having mega-swoll AB. Your ab is going to be like +55 I think? So you can be at a -5 or a -10 and still hit people no problemo.

Author:	Commie [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 0:45 AM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
bard gets tumble (which you need because AC is your biggest weakness) discipline (which you really need as you arn't a str man and will be in melee sometimes) and UMD (which you REALLY need so you can wand cast into those imbued arrows). at only 2 levels you don't need to RP it beyond the skills it gave you, you have a cha of 8 if you follow my build exactly so you arn't exactly a socialite (you want to keep a - cha mod so you can be dispel immune anyway), you have no preform skill, so yeah. It's just better then sorc for all of those reasons. 2 class levels don't define you at all. drow gets wiz because an iota of arcane study makes sense for an AA, and you can't be a monk/bard.

Author:	robbi320 [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 11:31 AM ]
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Well, Budly, even a somewhat poorly conceived, but well-built build can do well enough. I mean, high-SDs manage, and they would be far beneath anything. And (I know this of commie) the people in exactly this subforum know their way around the server A LOT, and are giving you the best possible build. If you want to enter another tournament, and don't mind not coming first place, there is a lot of leeway to change your build for RP. Looking at what you currently have, since you don't want to remake or rebuild, there's not much you can do wrong. Put all ability-ups into dexterity, as an archer you wouldn't really want to put any more levels into sorceror, since that reduces AB. So, your final build would be 10 ranger/1 sorc/ 19 AA. The one ranger level probably at level 29 or 30, so you can put 32/33 into discipline (and animal empathy if you really want that) Then you'll want to take all the ranged feats manually, (so point blank shot, rapid shot, and called shot is pretty good for spamming on the legs, since you slow them if they decide to run towards you) Epic feats, I think would likely be best as Epic Weapon focus, if you end up uneven dex a great dex, Epic Prowess, prolly Armor Skin, and then two other feats. Personally, I'd be tempted to take two great dex, because it's 1 AC and AB, but it's pretty free what you want. With the build I suggested (without two great dex at the end) you'd sit at 57 AB, and 46 AC. If something runs up to you, it might be better to take out a weapon and a shield, since 46 AB is pretty risky, but with a large shield you'd have 53 AC. Or you can just invest into some ways to cast Darkness (there's enough items for that) and sneak. (At least if you can sneak) Personally, as skills I'd probably go for Spot, Hide, Move Silently, Discipline and Animal Empathy. AE gets you a (sometimes pretty strong) thing that can tank for you. For example, if you gear a bit for that, you can get a Brog Mega Bison, which have around 1000hp and pretty DR.

Author:	Budly [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 12:13 PM ]
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That sounds aweosme Robbi! I do not want to sound ungrateful or anything! Im just very very considerate about my RP when I started the characters. If I ever get a new concept I drop by you folks... I been pondering on everything from hin mages (Commie sent a build in PM for that ) to Blackguards to Clerics of Leira.

Author:	robbi320 [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 13:15 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
The whole 'concept making' I can understand too well. I mean, I like to imagine characters. Problem is, realizing too many, or rather trying to, gets you burnt out from leveling, and you don't have enough time on one character to develop RP. (My opinion, others disagree, many others might also have more time/more efficient leveling though) And, well, recently my concepts include: Dex Blackguard, Red Dragon Disciple, Shadow Dragon Disciple, Fire Sorceror, so many things. It's kind of awesome how much you can do. I can understand not wanting to give up on a character though. I know that problem. It's not that much you've done, but the bit of RP you had, the items you got from people, you don't want to give that up.

Author:	Budly [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 13:43 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
robbi320 wrote: The whole 'concept making' I can understand too well. I mean, I like to imagine characters. Problem is, realizing too many, or rather trying to, gets you burnt out from leveling, and you don't have enough time on one character to develop RP. (My opinion, others disagree, many others might also have more time/more efficient leveling though) And, well, recently my concepts include: Dex Blackguard, Red Dragon Disciple, Shadow Dragon Disciple, Fire Sorceror, so many things. It's kind of awesome how much you can do. I can understand not wanting to give up on a character though. I know that problem. It's not that much you've done, but the bit of RP you had, the items you got from people, you don't want to give that up. Yeah! ^^ I appreciate the help of course! I should have asked before making the character!

Author:	Commie [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 15:12 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Budly wrote: robbi320 wrote: The whole 'concept making' I can understand too well. I mean, I like to imagine characters. Problem is, realizing too many, or rather trying to, gets you burnt out from leveling, and you don't have enough time on one character to develop RP. (My opinion, others disagree, many others might also have more time/more efficient leveling though) And, well, recently my concepts include: Dex Blackguard, Red Dragon Disciple, Shadow Dragon Disciple, Fire Sorceror, so many things. It's kind of awesome how much you can do. I can understand not wanting to give up on a character though. I know that problem. It's not that much you've done, but the bit of RP you had, the items you got from people, you don't want to give that up. Yeah! ^^ I appreciate the help of course! I should have asked before making the character! you can just take the ranger build, use sorc instead of bard, and go 19 aa (1 ranger in epic for disc) and be fine. i just linked the builds I had handy for AA.

Author:	Budly [ Tue, Apr 25 2017, 18:26 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Commie wrote: Budly wrote: robbi320 wrote: The whole 'concept making' I can understand too well. I mean, I like to imagine characters. Problem is, realizing too many, or rather trying to, gets you burnt out from leveling, and you don't have enough time on one character to develop RP. (My opinion, others disagree, many others might also have more time/more efficient leveling though) And, well, recently my concepts include: Dex Blackguard, Red Dragon Disciple, Shadow Dragon Disciple, Fire Sorceror, so many things. It's kind of awesome how much you can do. I can understand not wanting to give up on a character though. I know that problem. It's not that much you've done, but the bit of RP you had, the items you got from people, you don't want to give that up. Yeah! ^^ I appreciate the help of course! I should have asked before making the character! you can just take the ranger build, use sorc instead of bard, and go 19 aa (1 ranger in epic for disc) and be fine. i just linked the builds I had handy for AA. That is appreciated!

Author:	Ulir [ Thu, Jun 01 2017, 16:58 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Had a few builds lying around from olden days. Perhaps the ranger will benefit a bit. Arcane Archer 18/Fighter 8/Bard 4 Moonelf Str: 12 Dex: 20 Con: 10 Int: 14 Wis: 8 Cha: 8 AB: 58 (base with +5 weapon) AC: 60 (with haste, epics & dusty rose ioun stone) DO: 1d8, +2d10, +20, +2 bard song Skills (166): UMD 31 Tumble 30 Perform 10 Appraise 28 Spellcraft 33 Discipline 33 Pick Pocket 1 1 F - Feats: Weapon Focus: Longbow, Luck of Heroes 2 B 3 F - Feats: Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot 4 F - Dex: 21 5 F - Feat: Weapon Spec: Longbow 6 F - Feat: Dodge 7 F - Feat: Great Fortitude 8 F - Dex: 22 9 B - Feat: Blindfight 10 A 11 A 12 A - Feat: Improved Critical: Longbow, Dex: 23 13 A 14 A 15 A - Feat: Great Reflex 16 A - Dex: 24 17 A 18 A - Feat: Called Shot 19 A 20 B - Dex: 25 21 A - Feat: Great Dex I 22 A 23 A 24 A - Feats: Armor Skin, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, Dex: 27 25 F - Feat: Epic Weapon Spec: Longbow 26 A 27 A - Feat: Great Dex II 28 A - Dex: 29 29 A - Feat: Epic Prowess 30 B - Feat: Great Dex III - Dex: 30, Skill dump ***************************************** Ranger 26/Bard 1/Arcane Archer 3 Race: Moonelf Assign stats and feats as you like. I fancied the idea of being able to dual wield handaxes, because they rock and it's fun with an alternative. The arrow damage output against favored enemies can be the same as the first build (although not consistently), plus you have a pet and fun spells. The low con was because I wanted extra skill points for fun things. Str: 10 Dex: 20 - 28 Con: 6 Int: 14 Wis: 14 Cha: 8 HP: 230 (320 max buffed) AC: 54 (60 with +4 large shield) AB Longbow: 51 (with aid) 53 vs. favored enemy AB Handaxe: 46 (44 dual-wield, with aid) 46 vs. favored enemy DO Longbow: 1d8, +2d8 AA arrows, +5 Mighty, +2 AA, +6 Favored Enemy, +2d6 Favored Enemy DO Handaxe: 1d6, +1d6 Sonic, +1d8 Fire, +5 GMW, +6 Str, +6 Favored Enemy, +2d6 Favored Enemy Saving Throws (buffed) ****************** Fort: 37 Ref : 30 Will: 17 Skills (198): One remaining Hide 33 (94) Tumble 30 (45) Set Trap 20 (35) Open Lock 1 (16) Spellcraft 18 (20) Discipline 30 (63) Move Silently 33 (74) Animal Empathy 11 (10) Use Magic Device 21 (20) 1 R - Feat: Point Blank Shot, C.Feat: Fav.E: Undead 2 R 3 R - Feat: Rapid Shot 4 R - Dex: 21 5 R - C.Feat: Fav.E: Giant 6 R - Feat: Weapon Finesse, Animal Companion 7 R 8 R - Dex: 22 9 R - Feat: Improved Critical: Longbow 10 R - C.Feat: Fav.E: Human 11 R 12 R - Feat: Weapon Focus: Longbow, Dex: 23 13 R 14 R 15 R - Feat: Blindfight, C.Feat: Fav.E: Outsider 16 R - Dex: 24 17 R 18 R - Feat: Improved Critical: Handaxe 19 R 20 R - Dex: 25, C.Feat: Fav.E: Aberration 21 R - Feat: Epic Fortitude 22 R 23 R - Feat: Bane of Enemies 24 R - Feat: Armor Skin, Dex: 26 25 R - C.Feat: Fav.E: Elf 26 R - Feat: Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow 27 B - Feat: Great Dex I, Skill dump 28 AA - Dex: 28 29 AA 30 AA - Feat: Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, Skill dump ******************************* Bard 6/Master Scout 5/Arcane Archer 19 Race: Moonelf Str: 12 Dex: 20 - 28 Con: 12 Int: 14 Wis: 8 Cha: 8 AB: 56 (+5 bow) AC: 57 (60 with mage armor, dodge feat and dusty rose ioun stone + epics) Fort: 39 (all are with bard song) Ref : 42 Will: 19 Skills (198): UMD 21 Spot 32 (+2) ~ 46 (without gear) Tumble 30 Search 2 (4) Perform 13 Appraise 31 Set Trap 2 (4) ~ 47 (enough for deadly traps) Spellcraft 23 Discipline 33 Craft Trap 2 Pick Pocket 3 1 B - Feat: Skill Focus: Spot 2 B 3 B - Feat: Skill Focus: Listen 4 B - Dex: 21 5 B - Skill requirement for Master Scout 6 M - C.Feat: Favored Enemy: Humans, Feat: Point Blank Shot 7 M 8 M - Dex: 22 9 M - Feat: Weapon Focus: Longbow 10 A 11 A 12 A - Feat: Rapid Shot, Dex: 23 13 A 14 A 15 A - Feat: Improved Critical: Longbow 16 A - Dex: 24 17 A 18 A - Feat: Blindfight 19 A 20 B - Dex: 25 21 A - Feat: Epic Fortitude 22 A 23 A 24 A - Feats: Armor Skin, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, Dex: 26 25 A 26 A 27 A - Feat: Epic Skill Focus: Spot 28 A - Feat: Great Dex I, Dex: 28 29 A - +10 Arrows, Skill dump 30 M - C.Feat: Master Scout Special, Feat: Epic Prowess, Skill dump ******************************* Arcane Archer 15/Pale Master 10/Bard 5 (all epics) Str: 11 Dex: 19 - 28 Con: 12 Int: 12 Wis: 8 Cha: 12 AB: 52 AC: 64 (hasted and buffed with mage armor) HP: 241 (min) Fort: 37 Ref : 38 Will: 21 Skills: UMD 14 Hide 33 Tumble 30 Perform 8 Open Lock 1 Spellcraft 24 Discipline 33 Pick Pocket 1 1 B - Feat: Toughness 2 B 3 B - Feat: Weapon Focus: Longbow 4 PM - Dex: 20 5 PM 6 PM - Feat: Point Blank Shot 7 PM 8 PM - Dex: 21 9 PM - Feat: Rapid Shot 10 B 11 AA 12 AA - Feat: Improved Critical: Longbow, Dex: 22 13 AA 14 AA 15 AA - Feat: Blindfight 16 AA - Dex: 23 17 AA 18 AA - Feat: Called Shot 19 AA 20 AA - Dex: 24 21 AA - Feat: Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow 22 PM 23 PM 24 PM - Feat: Armor Skin, Dex: 25 25 PM 26 AA 27 AA - Feat: Epic Dex I 28 AA - Feat: Epic Dex II, Dex: 28 29 AA 30 B - Feat: Epic Fortitude Mind you I don't take many buffs into consideration with these numbers. I usually write down bard song and such in (), but tend to avoid adding Aid, Bless, True Strike etc. so the base line is clear.

Author:	lilmarcat [ Thu, Jun 01 2017, 20:19 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
If your looking to optimize, as a rule of thumb always build in evens except for a one level dip for Pre-epics. So for random builds examples 1 Fighter/1Bard/18Cleric is fine. But 9 Fighter/ 2 Bard / 9 Cleric is bad because the 9th Fighter and 9th Cleric levels wont give you any saves, or atleast as many

Author:	Budly [ Sat, Jun 03 2017, 23:45 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Thanks for the build ideas Ulir! Probably try one of these out some time that you all posted when I make something new and have to many DCs. Thanks Lilmarcat! Will try to keep that in mind

Author:	Budly [ Wed, May 15 2019, 13:50 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
As it has turned out, I have screwed up my build here and also managed to play a Sun Elf that is mechanically a Moon Elf. I thought the Sun Elf was the standard Elf. Somewhere I made a mistake here. Kronox did post me a build over discord so if you are reading this mate, would you mind posting it here?

Author:	Magiros [ Wed, May 15 2019, 15:54 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Cleric 28, Bard 1, AA 1

Author:	Budly [ Tue, May 28 2019, 23:19 PM ]
Post subject:	Re: Building an elven archer
Kronox given me a build! Ranger 10/Sorc 1/AA 19 STR : 10 DEX : 16 CON : 14 INT : 14 (16) WIS : 11 CHA : 11 1: Free Feat/Weapon Finesse 3: Weapon focus : Longbow 5: Free Feat 6: Point Blank Shot 9: Imp Crit Longbow 12: Rapid Shot 15: Brew Potion 18: Blind Fight 21: EWF Longbow 24 Armour Skin / Epic Dex 27: Epic Fortitude 28: Epic Dex 30: Epic Prowess / Epic Dex Max : Disc, Heal, Listen, Search, Hide, MS Animal emp 1, Spellcraft 10, 16 points to spare 1-9 Ranger, 10 Sorc, 11-29, AA, 30 Ranger as lvl layout.

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