I once heard someone say there was a language (I think it was Aquatic) That should be understandable by all wizards, I was just curious as to what it was and if it is recognized in amia...
that doesn't mean "take a level and you automatically know these languages".... you should use common sense with it... It was devestatingly horrid when I was playing with a monk and she used her class as reasoning to understand all languages...
There is no such language, but Grymia's correct in that mages often learn (through RP, mind) languages that are useful to them in their trade. Elementalists would learn the languages of the elemental planes, such as Aquatic, whereas many would know how to read Draconic and Elvish, at least the alphabets. Draconic is the bonus language all can wizards get, whereas others would apparently be dependant on region and race.
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Re: Blackandwhite's point.
Actually yes, at level 17 Monk, Monks recieve 'Tongue of the Sun and Moon' , an ability which allows them to understand and speak in all languages. (however last I checked it didn't give the ability to read/write in them)
Doesn't actually say about understanding/speaking all languages, it only mentions discussion with anyone. There are other topics about that, but my interpretation would be an intimate interaction, face-to-face, with the monk and someone else, in which both spoke their own language but mystically just understood the other's meaning. It doesn't quite jive with the theme to, say, casually listen in on two people chatting in Dwarven and throw in some cultural Dwarven comments, or to consciously know the grammar and syntax of a strange language. If the monk knew that, he'd also be able to read and write the language, which he isn't, and that leads to my interpretation of it as a mystical understanding in the unique encounter between two conscious beings.
I may be stretching the feat that simply works automatically, but I would like to see a lot of care and concentration put into RPing the ability. It's not a handy toy the monk can just light-heartedly use in Cordor square, but serene understanding they've had to work hard for. Such fluff goes beyond the simply wording of the feat, though, so I can't expect everyone to share my impression. However, the feat doesn't mention anything about knowing a language, so I feel fairly confident in saying that does apply to everyone.
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Ok, got it now... Just searched the rest of the forms and found that Old Elven (For elven mages) Would probably be fully known after they left their school of magic, and soon I can start looking for a draconic teacher... Thanks again ;P
still annoying as hell... I don't like that rule, and its in PnP, not nwn anyways.
Anyone can pretty much speak whatever language they want, as its just typing <drow> in front of the text in another language. Those kinds of things are just abuse of that freedom. "I'm a monk, I know every language" is abuse of that freedom. It should RPly make sense that you know a language.
It is not really an abuse of that freedom, whether you like it or not. It's an existing PnP feat, and one of the few you can probably use without other players' consent: because languages are a PnP thing too, and by speaking a "foreign language" they're already giving said consent to themselves and therefore can't deny it from you. No NWN rule says you can't understand everything written on the Talk channel, after all. But yeah, I imagine it can be extremely annoying, and if it wasn't role-played seriously and with a lot of care and effort, I would simply avoid such characters in the future.
Typing [Drow] infront of your lines is an abuse of that freedom, if you do not have the justification for knowing the language (as defined by PnP rules, common sense and a conscious decision not to make your character a Mary-Sue).
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unless you're a monk... but yeah there's nothing anyone can about those people... avoidsion is the best method. wait, there is a word for that... evasion.
I thought that monk feat like the wizard or sorzzy had between its familiar. They both speak different languages (tho it IS possible to wizard acualy know ie, Ignan and you have a fire mephit) but they still understand eachother perfectly.
I'm pretty sure 'magic' is it's own universal language, how ever it's not a language that you can speak in conversation, it's simply what's on spell scrolls and the vocal components to spells.
At least that's how I remember it being described in the Players Handbook, though that may not be true for Forgotten Realms.
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seeing that all epic spells are derived from Elven high magic i would say its fair to say its hard to learn epic spells without knowing elven *Shrugs*
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Oh dear, I thought that you used different languages for different spells. Like if you are summoning from an elemental plane, you'd use Terran/Aquan/Auran/Ignan depending on what sort of thing you were summoning.
And I imagined that clerics just got the verbal component of their spell "implanted" in their brains, so that whichever language their deity prefers is the one they speak when they cast.
Of course it doesn't make perfect sense for every single spell, but what's the right way to go about this, if any? Iron?
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Why ask Iron, just invent the languages yourself, and post in the forums about how RP restrictive it is to have any specific language assigned to any specific spell, and do it all yourself.
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And I was being sarcastic... which bounces directly off the armour you've got on dammit
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TormakSaber wrote:
Kraniumbrud wrote:
seeing that all epic spells are derived from Elven high magic i would say its fair to say its hard to learn epic spells without knowing elven *Shrugs*
No.
Just like learning a song - once you know the sounds you just repeat them, it doesn't matter that you don't understand.
Or using a computer - you know what the effect would be if you do something, but you don't know all the computer code that's going on in the background.
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So... it's a bit like Cher then? You know, how no one really knows the words, they just imitate her and go wooaayywoooyywwaoaaa! woow woow woow... woooaayywoowwaoaaarraaaoo.
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That's how I imagine it .. the words are just materials, it's what you're doing with your mind that matters. Kind of like the song analogy - it doesn't matter how well you understand the words if you can't sing the song.
But if you can sing the song all you need is to imitate the words.
That's just my interpretation, mind.
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Oh, don't want to go over my download cap again ^^
Also, as far as languages go, as far as I know from PnP most magical texts are written in Draconic, so it's a good language to learn for research. However, nowhere is it stated in the PHB that ~any~ language is a prerequisite to casting spells.
Don't know if it states it anywhere else, but most of my source-book knowledge is core + deity & Drow stuff.
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Elven high magic from what I gathered in from reading the FRCS does not even use standard elven, It is a separate language with a separate alphabet. And Elven high magic is not epic spells they are different.
As for standard spell languages, it all depends on the spell. A conjure of fiends from the lower planes will probaly be speaking in either infernal or abyssal, same thing with celestial if he was dealing with celestial. though I believe that draconic is the main, not the only one though, that is used for as a language for magic.
Oh dear, I thought that you used different languages for different spells. Like if you are summoning from an elemental plane, you'd use Terran/Aquan/Auran/Ignan depending on what sort of thing you were summoning.
And I imagined that clerics just got the verbal component of their spell "implanted" in their brains, so that whichever language their deity prefers is the one they speak when they cast.
Of course it doesn't make perfect sense for every single spell, but what's the right way to go about this, if any? Iron?
Sounds fun. Go for it?
It's not specified. You'd generally use those languages to communicate with the summoned being, though I think I've seen it done in the caster's language in WotSQ (Gromph and his elemental). That's the kind of thing that's open for adding flavour, not something to quote rules about.
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[quote="herkles"]And Elven high magic is not epic spells they are different.
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according to the epic level handbook elven high magic is the epic spells.
and seeing that all spells above level 9 is stopped by mystra..what other magic source is there but the elven magic?
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They're not the same, though they're similar. Elven High Magic is, uh, Elven High Magic. Performed by elves, and pretty much only on Evermeet without hefty penalty. I don't know what the Epic Level Handbook says, but it's not the Realms.
Epic Spells are a way to go around Mystra's restriction. They're pretty weird, but there's lots of discussion about them online, particularly Candlekeep, if you look around a bit.
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someone tried to tell me the other day that mages could "wind whisper" to each other, and that this can be emulated by using party chat IC. it seemed a bit like meta to me, but knowing nothing about PnP, i figured id ask.
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Using party chat. Wind Whisper is a single one way message directed at a location, not a person, and anyone in 10 feet of the recipient area can hear it. It's NOT telepathy.
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Telepathy, except when approved in the context of DM events, is not allowed at all.
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Use the sarcasm sign the next time, please.
Naw, it's more fun to see who takes it personal and who doesnt.
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It was a joke.
I mean, people, come on. People take things way to serious 'round these parts.
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Okay, im sorry im a mega Obsessor, but before this becomes a massive off topic thread, I wanna say thanks for the help and I found my answer... ^_^ (you may now continue with your babbling...)
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