SD stealth is the same as regular stealth, the only difference being you can use it in plain sight (within 10ft of a shadow at least half your size, obv). If someone sees/hears an SD it is the same as a non-SD. Also remember that someone might hear your max-hide person, too (which accounts for you being behind them). And yeah with invis, people just 'knowing' who it is without the person speaking always irritates me lol

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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming

I always thought that the reason SD can use Hips is cause of their shadow affinity, making them different from just the rogueish bastard in the slum who pick pockets curious travellers and walzing nobles pockets.

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Plays:
Sylveera : Sun Elven fury packed in an Arcane Archer, not a Drow, promise.
Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.

You're right, they are! But their stealth is just stealth, the only difference is the easier activation

Unless I severely missed some lore somewhere haha

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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming

Well, in PnP, Hide is hiding. You need some way of hiding, a shadowy corner, an obstacle to hide behind/under. PnP SD can essentially do a bit of invisibility with HiPS. As long as you are just near that shadowy corner, the shadows make you unseen. Of course, you can also try to fade away with HiPS. At that is how people would be forced if I was a PnP DM.

NWN makes it so that you do not need anything to hide behind. As a non-SD, you still can hide in plain sight, you just can't re-hide in plain sight. I can walk up to someone and stand in their face, even physically block them without them seeing me.

And yes, a high hide caracter can be heard if he is standing behind someone else, but a high move silently character can be seen even when he is standing behind someone else. Due to third person, every PC has eyes in the back of their head.

This grinds my gears with the whole stand beside someone "hiding".

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Plays:
Sylveera : Sun Elven fury packed in an Arcane Archer, not a Drow, promise.
Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.

That topic has been talked to death and back. It's one of the biggest limitations of NWN's multi-player persistent world mechanics. Nwn just isnt designed to have an accurate stealth system, through and through. It's one of those "grind my gears" things that everyone just has to get over or find a better stealth game.

I've never seen any server ever that is able to get around that. (And that's because fixing it would require reworking stealth entirely, adding line of sight, adding environmental stealth assets, etc etc.)

It should be against the rules to do that, but yes, lets drop the topic for now.

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Plays:
Sylveera : Sun Elven fury packed in an Arcane Archer, not a Drow, promise.
Tetrik : Greed incarnate in a Duergar.
Budly : Has gone to a better place.
Barrililath : Shadowy Drow, probably less Drow than Sylv ever be.