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TormakSaber
 
PostPosted: Sat, Dec 31 2016, 20:07 PM 

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I think the mistake of making Earth and Air genasi 0 ECL shows how important it is that some races have it.

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PostPosted: Sat, Dec 31 2016, 20:17 PM 

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those arent problematic races though
pretty glaring weaknesses

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PostPosted: Sat, Dec 31 2016, 20:26 PM 

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Not to detract from the topic at hand, but I'm still all for treating ECL as "classes" of a race, thus you still get your missing baseline stuff(+1 Ab, Save, HP, etc), but not improved class abilities/bonuses. That's what your racial abilities take the place of.

It seemed like the best option, as ECL was only intended to balance progression, not endgame. In P&P there's usually no definite level cap. This change would mean ECL races aren't unintentionally punished for not being able to take levels they can't mechanically, and races without it still get those extra class abilities/class bonus feats and additional build flexibility which is a pretty fair trade at that point when compared to most racial abilities.

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PostPosted: Sat, Dec 31 2016, 20:41 PM 

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Dark Immolation wrote:
Not to detract from the topic at hand, but I'm still all for treating ECL as "classes" of a race, thus you still get your missing baseline stuff(+1 Ab, Save, HP, etc), but not improved class abilities/bonuses. That's what your racial abilities take the place of.

It seemed like the best option, as ECL was only intended to balance progression, not endgame. In P&P there's usually no definite level cap. This change would mean ECL races aren't unintentionally punished for not being able to take levels they can't mechanically, and races without it still get those extra class abilities/class bonus feats and additional build flexibility which is a pretty fair trade at that point when compared to most racial abilities.


Good discussion but one for another topic.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jan 02 2017, 3:07 AM 

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sahaguin and holy sword greater dispels don't touch potion buffs on an 18 rdd

get FUCKED dispel glitch.

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