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Magiros
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If you have a wizard that is aiming to take Kngh Commander prestige class, should the class be taken in pre-epics or at epics? O.o
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 10:14 AM |
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If you want to do melee, you'll want to take the KC pre-epic so you get a higher BAB. But you'll sacrifice a few caster levels early on, which will make leveling somewhat more painful.
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Magiros
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 10:16 AM |
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Not aiming on melee but just wanting the two first auras 
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 10:17 AM |
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Location: Earth
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You won't hurt anything by going 18 wizard / 2 KC. That will give you 3 attacks per round anyway.
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Magiros
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 10:20 AM |
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Alrighties! Thanks.
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NAUX
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 11:44 AM |
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Location: Norway
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Just a quicky... can anyone confirm the highest DC that Death Attack can reach on Amia? Thanks.
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 12:06 PM |
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Location: Earth
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10 + int mod + assassin level. Math is easy.
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NAUX
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 12:15 PM |
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Location: Norway
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Thinking 44/45?
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 12:23 PM |
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NAUX wrote: Thinking 44/45? 44 with a normal subrace. 45 with a subrace that gives +2int
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 12:25 PM |
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Location: Earth
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1-2 higher if you wanted to waste your epic feats.
Good luck hitting things.
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NAUX
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 13:04 PM |
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Well.. it seems you do not need to roll AB vs AC on a death attack, if the target is not in combat.. its lights out. I had no trouble on my module dicing things up that I was flanking, even with AB of like 25-30. I dont know the mechanics behind it, it just seemed to work...
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 18:37 PM |
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Okay, so since I'm pretty rusty, and wasn't all that good at this shiz to begin with, and also seeing as you knighted my go-to-guy on these matters, I come crawling on my bleeding hands and kneecaps (no skin, pure cap), asking for help. Drow, as many levels of Assassin as possible (I'm guessing 16-18), and preferably something with some RP flavour to it instead of absolute power being favoured. I don't mind that I might not be able to kill all of Mosh's Superman builds, as long as I might actually function as an assassin, and have some numbers to back up his RP. Pretty please with daisies and cookies on the side. 
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The1Kobra
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 22:19 PM |
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A problem I see with drow assassins is that a lot of class combinations will give them a nasty XP penalty. Anything but a 5/5 or second prestige class or wizard or the like will result in a penalty. Not that it can't be worked around, mind you, but it is annoying.
Anyways, the following build should be reasonably solid. No XP penalty. No epic dodge but should have passable AB/AC and combat ability, in addition to sneaking goodness.
Pre-epic: 10 Ranger, 10 Assassin
Epic: 10 Ranger, 18 Assassin
8/18/12/16(18)/12/8(10) OR 10/18/10/16(18)/12/8(10)
Feats:
Pre-epic(7): Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, Blind Fight, IMPR Critical, KD, IKD, (Free Feat: Great Fort, Stealthy, or something else, weapon focus ranged weapon perhaps)
Epic(3+2A): G-Dex 1, Epic Weapon Focus, Armor Skin OR epic Prowess, G-Dex 2 OR ESF: Hide, G-Dex 3 OR ESF: Move Silently
Ending Assassin DC: 38
Saves will be a bit weak but this should suffice.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sun, Mar 04 2012, 23:31 PM |
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Location: Finland
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Going Assassin18 means that all of your epic levels will be Assassin. Then again, Epic Dodge is worth it. One alternative is to go Assassin14/Rouge|SD|Monk. The other is to make some pseudo-STR build. Dat damage, but alas that's all it has.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 0:07 AM |
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Its a shame that Assassin isn't really intuitive with Drow with regards to ECL.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 0:12 AM |
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It's really not. I know some pretty nifty assassin builds but 2 ECL gimp all of them.  _________________  "Let's unwrite these pages and replace them with our own words."
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 5:51 AM |
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The Assassin prestige class is not necessarily necessary for the Assassin profession, or concept, however.
A character with lots of Sneak Attack damage (Rogue/Assassin/Blackguard) with Devastating Critical and a wide critical range weapon would do well, I think, as an Assassin. Conversely, a sneaky character with a two-handed weapon Weapon Master levels would suffice, as well.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 8:11 AM |
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Well aware, however as a DM I will take folk with Assassin levels far more seriously than a powerbuild that pretends to be an Assassin.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 8:49 AM |
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Location: Denmark
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The1Kobra wrote: A problem I see with drow assassins is that a lot of class combinations will give them a nasty XP penalty. Anything but a 5/5 or second prestige class or wizard or the like will result in a penalty. Not that it can't be worked around, mind you, but it is annoying.
Anyways, the following build should be reasonably solid. No XP penalty. No epic dodge but should have passable AB/AC and combat ability, in addition to sneaking goodness.
Pre-epic: 10 Ranger, 10 Assassin
Epic: 10 Ranger, 18 Assassin
8/18/12/16(18)/12/8(10) OR 10/18/10/16(18)/12/8(10)
Feats:
Pre-epic(7): Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, Blind Fight, IMPR Critical, KD, IKD, (Free Feat: Great Fort, Stealthy, or something else, weapon focus ranged weapon perhaps)
Epic(3+2A): G-Dex 1, Epic Weapon Focus, Armor Skin OR epic Prowess, G-Dex 2 OR ESF: Hide, G-Dex 3 OR ESF: Move Silently
Ending Assassin DC: 38
Saves will be a bit weak but this should suffice. As much as I like this, there's just something about a Ranger Drow that feels wrong. Is that just me not knowing the lore, or is it, in face a sore spot?
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Dieu_Le_Fera
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 9:11 AM |
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Location: Philadelphia
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drows can be rangers just fine... i would be careful not to duel wield scimitars though... and have a panther.
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mirvala-
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 9:17 AM |
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What would you recommend for a Blackguard swordsman (fully armored, and probably with a shield) Pre-prestige class (as it needs 5 in hide)?
And, at level 30 (if no ecl+ subrace is taken), what is the most APR's someone could possibly get? (Excluding any kind of buff)
Thanks in advance from someone who doesn't quite know how to build (:
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 9:56 AM |
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Dieu_Le_Fera wrote: drows can be rangers just fine... i would be careful not to duel wield scimitars though... and have a panther. Sweet! I guess he'd be a kinda spider caretaker dude, or what? Trolling the great Under for people trying to chop the eight legged lovelies in half, etc. Awesome, I'll have a look at it again then, thanks.
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 10:19 AM |
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Location: Earth
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You almost certainly won't want a spider companion, then. If the matrons catch you putting a spider in harm's way by having it fight for you, you're in for a world of hurt.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 10:43 AM |
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Oh right, good point. <.<
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serbiris
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 12:03 PM |
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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No no, spider companion is fine. Generally no one's going to make a fuss as long as you don't cause its death or act with specific negligence - the exact wording of Lolth's dogma is "anyone who mistreats or kills a spider must die", so having one fight with you is usually fine. Unless you're slave-driving it.
You better damn well die to save it though.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 13:28 PM |
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As per usual, or at least as was usual back in the day, Mosh made me consider a million other things and ended me up elsewhere. I think I'll do a drowsy anyways, just not the one I initially intended. Damned be that Mosh, enthralling me with his ideas even before I get in-game.
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The1Kobra
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 13:46 PM |
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Dakotaen wrote: The1Kobra wrote: A problem I see with drow assassins is that a lot of class combinations will give them a nasty XP penalty. Anything but a 5/5 or second prestige class or wizard or the like will result in a penalty. Not that it can't be worked around, mind you, but it is annoying.
Anyways, the following build should be reasonably solid. No XP penalty. No epic dodge but should have passable AB/AC and combat ability, in addition to sneaking goodness.
Pre-epic: 10 Ranger, 10 Assassin
Epic: 10 Ranger, 18 Assassin
8/18/12/16(18)/12/8(10) OR 10/18/10/16(18)/12/8(10)
Feats:
Pre-epic(7): Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, Blind Fight, IMPR Critical, KD, IKD, (Free Feat: Great Fort, Stealthy, or something else, weapon focus ranged weapon perhaps)
Epic(3+2A): G-Dex 1, Epic Weapon Focus, Armor Skin OR epic Prowess, G-Dex 2 OR ESF: Hide, G-Dex 3 OR ESF: Move Silently
Ending Assassin DC: 38
Saves will be a bit weak but this should suffice. As much as I like this, there's just something about a Ranger Drow that feels wrong. Is that just me not knowing the lore, or is it, in face a sore spot? If you don't like ranger, you can go 4/6 Rogue/Fighter instead, or 2/8 Rogue/Fighter, and I actually think it's a bit stronger at the end too. Main thing is it WILL result in an XP penalty, and while you can delay it to after 19th level, (4/5/10 pre-epic), your epic levels will take longer to get. There's also a few minor changes, slightly different saves, getting evasion, 1 less AB, getting weapon specialization... etc. You can use the fighter feats to get the two-weapon stuff or get other feats (to improve saves and skills). You could also do monk/fighter instead, though that just seems dumb considering what drow are and all. You can also opt for 6/4/10 Ranger/Divine Champ/Assassin, same AB, 2 more feats, loses ITWF, and better saves. Another tradeoff. Personally though, I like the 10 ranger, that companion can make for some wonderful RP, even if it's not really combat-tough beyond low levels. _________________ I play:
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mirvala-
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 18:08 PM |
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*feels ignored*
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 18:11 PM |
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mirvala- wrote: What would you recommend for a Blackguard swordsman (fully armored, and probably with a shield) Pre-prestige class (as it needs 5 in hide)?
And, at level 30 (if no ecl+ subrace is taken), what is the most APR's someone could possibly get? (Excluding any kind of buff)
Thanks in advance from someone who doesn't quite know how to build (: Typical Blackguard build is 12 Fighter/16 Blackguard/2 Rogue. Take all Rogue in epic, crossclass Hide to 5 pre-epic as Fighter. The most APR possible is a monk kama build which can achieve 10 attacks per round Hasted with Flurry activated. _________________ "Let's unwrite these pages and replace them with our own words."
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mirvala-
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 18:21 PM |
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Sweet, thank you!
What feats should I aim for? And which level progression would be the best? (especially for epic levels, if I ever get there :3)
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 18:31 PM |
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10 Fighter/10 BG pre-epic. Epic level progression doesn't really matter as long as you finish on Fighter or Blackguard to max out Discipline, and take one of your rogue levels at 27 to get your Tumble to 30.
Feats: Weapon Focus, Improved Critical, Blind-Fight, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Divine Might, Divine Shield.
Epic feats are dependent if you're making a Dev Critter or not. If so: Armor Skin, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialisation, Overwhelming Critical, Devastating Critical, Great STR I, Epic Fiend.
I haven't named all the feat choices, just the ones you want.
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QPR
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 20:33 PM |
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Since I have been gone for a while, and SD is a respectable choice now that HiPS is properly nerfed, I thought to start fresh with a thief character where I am seeing rogue 20/ SD 10 as a good choice. What I am unsure of is wether to focus on ranged or melee. With no full bab levels dualwielding might be awkward, but does give more attacks. And then there is that ranged feel more... thiefy. But unless I go elf, no longbow for him. And only 3 attacks if going crossbow, even though a light x-bow would be the thiefiest of them all.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 20:37 PM |
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16rogue/10sd/4fighter, could be nice too! Especially a character focused with throwing knives could suit well the thief themed character
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QPR
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Posted: Mon, Mar 05 2012, 21:17 PM |
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that is a possibility... but I wants moar sneaksies!
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serbiris
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 0:28 AM |
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I've played a 20rogue/10SD but depending on how you do it it's difficult to stop your AB from being ass. This was a problem even before the nerf. The heavy sneak damage is nice but if you have trouble hitting foes that aren't flatfooted it can only get you so far.
16rog/10SD/4fighter solves a few of these problems and only costs you 2d6 sneak, also lets you use a shield. You could use the extra feats to go crossbow! Nothing wrong with shortbow though. It's what, 1 damage less on average? Is that reaaally a problem when you have 8d6 sneak? ...Or am I missing something? Seriously though, shortbows are great. And very thiefy. Those longbows are man-sized, dammit.
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Polris
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 2:13 AM |
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Is Defensive Stance bugged? I was in Defensive Stance and I used a heal kit and suddenly I lost all the bonuses but the Defensive Stance hadn't toggled off. I'm pretty sure I used heal kits before without this happening. Please tell me this was a 1 in a 100000 thing cause I don't have all that many Defensive Stances to throw around.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 6:32 AM |
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I've always interested in 17 Rogue 13 SD just to take the summon feat that I know nothing about.
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QPR
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 6:39 AM |
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What would the difference be between a crossbow and shortbow anyway? x-bows have larger damage dice, but you loose one attack. Also i believe that getting the +5 AB/Mighty x-bow is somewhat cheaper and easier than the equivalent shortbow?
And yes, having an epic shadowlord would be interesting... but the AB for the actual char would be utterly pathetic, no? Perhaps that would fit better on a more fighter heavy character?
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Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
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QPR
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 6:42 AM |
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Or to expand on that thought; is there any viable build with 19 or 20 SD levels to focus on getting the strongest possible shadow "companion"? As a concept I find it awesome with awesomesause, but I'm worried it may be a crippled build.
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Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
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serbiris
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 7:55 AM |
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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The best use of the summon is to get it to take the hits and with crippling strike, horribly abuse enemies' str scores until they die. This hasn't worked for me for a while, but I didn't get the SD13 summon. I think someone (possibly a few people) around here has, not sure.
Re: shortbows, I meant as a comparison to longbows, which are for some reason wildly more popular with only miniscule benefit (also more expensive). I respect crossbows even though they're not very good, the fewer attacks and more featsinking is significant for minimal benefits. If you want it take it though, you'll still be decent. I'd consider a crossbow for my build but I'm playing an elf. ...And I already suck, I don't need to gimp my build further!
Mind that I don't know anything about high-end gear.
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 9:45 AM |
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Is a Fighter 10/Bard2/Arcane Archer18 viable as an archer? I want to build a bowman who can really make use of Called Shot without being an absolute failure if he happens across some aggro.
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O'Raghailligh
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 9:56 AM |
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Ulir
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 10:59 AM |
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Not to be cross, but Fighter 8/Bard 4/AA 18 is more fun, and has more damage (+1, haha). Perhaps it is just me that gets annoyed by having 2 levels of bard, when 3 levels can increase the bard song a tad, including damage and saves.
Yes, four levels isn't much of a difference, except you get access to a mage shop, greater stoneskin 3/day, horrid wilting 3/day and a few boost songs, which makes your AA more magical and special.
You'll only lose one feat, which you can be without, as there are MAAANY feats to play with, with 7 fighter levels pre-epic. But in the end it is all up to you. 58 ab on that build is easily doable with 30 base dex and epic prowess (and a +5 ab bow). That way you can easily apply called shot to your foes. An awesome build.
Edit. You can get to 60 ac with the build with the right gear and buffs. When you draw aggro, you are built to get the first many attacks from a long range, but can stand still in melee range and kill the enemy faster than it can kill you (mostly), because nearly every arrow will hit your enemy with that insane ab.
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 11:14 AM |
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Polris wrote: Is Defensive Stance bugged? I was in Defensive Stance and I used a heal kit and suddenly I lost all the bonuses but the Defensive Stance hadn't toggled off. I'm pretty sure I used heal kits before without this happening. Please tell me this was a 1 in a 100000 thing cause I don't have all that many Defensive Stances to throw around. Defensive Stance is buggy in general. Not much we can do about that. Just have to be careful with it. MoshingChris wrote: I've always interested in 17 Rogue 13 SD just to take the summon feat that I know nothing about. It's worthless and needs looking at. Even Summon Creature 9 is more useful than it, and it's nowhere near the caliber of the epic fiends from the Blackguard. *hint hint* QPR wrote: Or to expand on that thought; is there any viable build with 19 or 20 SD levels to focus on getting the strongest possible shadow "companion"? As a concept I find it awesome with awesomesause, but I'm worried it may be a crippled build. Epic Shadowlord doesn't actually gain any perks (for the moment?!) with your SD levels. Ditto for your SD abilities too (for the moment?!), so if you were to go epic SD, I'd stop at 13. Something like 16 Rogue/13 SD/1 Ranger would be competitive enough. Crossbows are outright outclassed by regular bows with ease, but we do intend to change that one day. Righteous Anger wrote: Is a Bard2/Fighter12/Arcane Archer18 viable as an archer? I want to build a bowman who can really make use of Called Shot without being an absolute failure if he happens across some aggro. It's one of the better AA builds, though you end up with more feats than you really need, so I'd rather go with 4 Bard/8 Fighter/18 AA on a plain Dexterity focus. However, the 2/12/18 build is great if you want to make a Devastating Critical build for kicks. Your AB is insane either way. _________________ "Let's unwrite these pages and replace them with our own words."
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 11:20 AM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Righteous Anger wrote: Is a Fighter 10/Bard2/Arcane Archer18 viable as an archer? I want to build a bowman who can really make use of Called Shot without being an absolute failure if he happens across some aggro. http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4325/arcanearcher.png That is how i did it a while ago. And as PaladinofSune said you really have to much feats to make use of xD But it's a good thing imo I focused on getting a lot of gear-space for him. Hence the Epic fortitude, Great fortitude, Strong soul, Epic spot,etcetc. The archer even have spellcraft and appraise. Perhaps a little over the edge. I just wanted to make a build that could focus soley on upping his gear to the max without needing to push so much extra fortitude or shit into the build. The guy lands at 31Fortitude with maxed Con 55-56 AC 51AB + Aid/bless = 53. Feel free to tear it apart and fit your needs.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 14:07 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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MoshingChris wrote: I've always interested in 17 Rogue 13 SD just to take the summon feat that I know nothing about. What about 13 rogue/4 fighter/13 SD? Nets 4 APR, bit better AB to help out, though you loose some sneaks (3d6?).
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Ulir
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 15:29 PM |
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Rogue 11/Fighter 6/SD 13 works too. Go strength, ews and two-hander and whack people. I'd prefer a solid 6 damage each hit to 1d6 sneak.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 15:39 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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I'm thinking now that HiPS is nerfed to actally go ahead with an SD.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 15:40 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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10ranger/20SD, Just for the heck of it.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Tue, Mar 06 2012, 16:23 PM |
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I'm considering a 16 rogue/4 fighter/10 SD, personally. Though the 13/4/13 sounds delicious for epic shadowlord and would likely fit the concept I have better.
Also tossed around the idea of 20 ranger/10 SD, or even 9 ranger/13 sd/8 rogue or 15/13/2, just haven't built it yet. The real thought was for a highly intelligent SD char that was still quite rogue-y (ie open lock/disable device/etc), someone that would be quite involved in the Academy as well (hence the higher SD levels).
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