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That is dick bro the entire point is to have a Gimmick which is Devastating Crossbow!

Say I wanted to play a Jedi (For those more indepth on the lore specifically a Jedi Shadow/Jedi Sentinel..) How would you build that to fit in NwN

... Some kind of a monk psionic...? ... With a glowing nightstick?

I would say Ranger. You can be stealthy, you have a few spells to imitate the Force, Animal Empathy for the 'these are not the droids you're looking for' bit and an animal companion called Padawan

The Master Padawan aspect is best with a PC :O

A monk weapon master maybe?

Palin489 wrote:

Say I wanted to play a Jedi (For those more indepth on the lore specifically a Jedi Shadow/Jedi Sentinel..) How would you build that to fit in NwN

I told you how. 25 monk/4 fighter, great sword.
Or if you wanted a matukai you could go halberd/spear or quarter staff.

Monk fighter weaponmaster of some sort. Or monk rogue fighter for the epicness dodge

I played a "kensai" that was very rewarding. A 15 monk, 7 wm, 8 fighter

GreatPigeon wrote:

Monk fighter weaponmaster of some sort. Or monk rogue fighter for the epicness dodge

I played a "kensai" that was very rewarding. A 15 monk, 7 wm, 8 fighter

How did that work? High ab? High damage? Good ac?

I have a problem, buildmeisters. I really really want to play a Jaezred Chaulssin drow assassin/shadow dragon disciple. How do I pull this off in a way that's halfway effective?

I was thinking Bard5/DD9/Assassin14, str-based but with enough dex to maybe forgo armour for stealth purposes (or maybe even chain, I hardly ever see chain being used and there are some neat ones!), str-based with devcrit, probably kukri (though dual-wielding is unlikely so pretty much just going kukri because they look cool). I'm not particularly set on any details except must have enough DD for wings and must have plenty of assassin levels. So I could do dex-based if that would be better overall. Any particular suggestions, or is my current (vague) plan likely as good as it's going to get?

You are free to cringe loudly at how hilariously messed up my intention is.

I'm cringing at DD9 and Dev Crit kukri.

Yeah but I didn't want to go DD4 and rapier, so here we are.

I think if you want it to be viable from a power perspective you need to drop the stealth component and focus on an intelligence and strength assassin in a fullplate. The DCs will be modest as it only has 14 assassin levels, but there'll be a lot of them with dev included and you'll be able to go toe to toe with the other non-optimal builds, at least.

Intelligence should be pretty high regardless, looking at +2 racial +2 from DD and it's a fairly easy score to buff with items.

I figured stealth wouldn't be that high regardless but doesn't the death attack only trigger if the target isn't in combat? It pretty much demands stealth at least on approach. Is the AC hit from having sub-max dex too severe? If that's the case I may have to bite the bullet and just try to use that plate with the tiny +hide/ms, so that at least the non-spotters will be fooled.

You're probably going to want IKD, if you wan't your melee to be deadly. I've made characters before without it, and they were terrible. If having 13-14 INT isn't the issue, it's well worth two feats. (a successful knockdown makes your opponent flatfooted.)

Edit: Death attack functions exactly like sneak attack. "Whenever the character makes a successful attack against an opponent who is flat-footed, cannot see them, or who is in combat with someone else, the character's blow delivers extra damage."

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Sneak_attack

Well you can put people out of combat with a IKD, devastating critical, the assassin widget, and even darkness if you're a cheeky bum. Land any one of those and you'll have them rolling against your death attack DC several times over, so it is all about stringing together the disables.

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Bini wrote:

Well you can put people out of combat with a IKD, devastating critical, the assassin widget, and even darkness if you're a cheeky bum. Land any one of those and you'll have them rolling against your death attack DC several times over, so it is all about stringing together the disables.

No. The new assassin special abilities are only rolled once every turn, 60 seconds.

"It will impart your weapon (be it glove, bow or blade) with the ability to make a special strike once every turn."

http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB3/viewtop ... 56#p934656

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Death_attack

The paralysis effect of death attack is only fired if your target is not engaged in combat.

A prone opponent is considered not engaged in combat, as is a paralyzed one. Thus IKD, devastating critical, or blade of terror (he won't have kneecapper's, unfortunately) can be used to put the opponent in a state in which they can be death attacked.

I was more concerned about whether or not I'd be getting special effects/paralysis since the death attack dice are kind of middling in general. I didn't know whether prone would count - good that it does though.

So let me get this straight - special Amia death attack will trigger (let's say kneecappers 'cos woo ref save), and while they're buggered up, paralysis will still trigger right after (even though the special attack won't)?

Edit: Kneecapper's isn't at 14? Ah well, bugger.

Well they won't cumulatively stack in that the duration of the paralysis will take place after the duration of the knockdown has run its course, but middling or not you'll have a ton of means at your disposal to get those death attacks in. Once they've failed the save against that, then the battle is wholly over as they'll be a sitting duck for turn/assassin level.

I suppose in summary my point is that stealth isn't an essential tool for an assassin or a rogue to be able to use their sneak attacks and even a non-stealth build has ample means of doing so.

Well yes, hence my focus on disabling rather than raw +d6s of damage. Once disabled it pretty much doesn't matter how much damage I do.

Alright, so dex 12/13 (depending on feats I guess? I forget if assassins need dodge), fullplate. Got it. I'll probably max my stealth skills anyway 'cos what else am I going to do with all those skill points, and it helps to have the option especially when AB won't be fabulous.

Thanks. Anything else I need to know?

serbiris wrote:

I have a problem, buildmeisters. I really really want to play a Jaezred Chaulssin drow assassin/shadow dragon disciple. How do I pull this off in a way that's halfway effective?

I was thinking Bard5/DD9/Assassin14, str-based but with enough dex to maybe forgo armour for stealth purposes (or maybe even chain, I hardly ever see chain being used and there are some neat ones!), str-based with devcrit, probably kukri (though dual-wielding is unlikely so pretty much just going kukri because they look cool). I'm not particularly set on any details except must have enough DD for wings and must have plenty of assassin levels. So I could do dex-based if that would be better overall. Any particular suggestions, or is my current (vague) plan likely as good as it's going to get?

You are free to cringe loudly at how hilariously messed up my intention is.

You make my heart sad :<

If you are not going DEX, I'd strongly advise using chain and resorting to stealth only as a precaution. If you want ITWF, it is totally viable. You need Dodge, Mobility, Improved critical, Weapon focus, Two-weapon fighting, Ambidexterity, ITWF, Blindfight, which is exactly the amount of feats you have pre-epic. DEX 15 is a pre-requisite for ITWF and it is not that high a cost for kewlness and potent dualwield. And yes, DEX would generally work out better, but that would also mean RDD9 going in vain.

He doesn't need Dodge and Mobility, those are SD prereqs.

And why on earth would you want to stop at 9 DD levels, when 10'th is giving you cool stuff?

Bard5/DD10/Assassin13

STR 17 (28)
DEX 10
CON 12 (14)
WIS 09
INT 16 (20)
CHA 08 (10)

BAB 18, AB 40 with a +4 weapon
Assassin DC's 34, Dev Crit DC 39

7 pre epic: PA, Cleave, GCleave, IC, *Exo, WF, BFight
3 epic: Over, Dev, EWF
*i'd skip the Kukris myself

As for the lack of Assassin 14'th bonus feat, that's pretty much a choice between Crippling Strike and Imp Evasion, both of which would be nice to have but are not crucial. +1 AB and Dev DC are more important.

No room for ITWF, IKD or pretty much anything else in this build unfortunately (except dropping Exotic for something else), so your attacks per round will suck. Dropping the expensive Dev Crit is also not an option in this build, because it's pretty much the only thing it's good at

Overall i'd say it's fishy, and there really seems to be only one way of doing it. DEX based would be worse than this, but it's not an overly crippled build as it is, providing you keep forcing saving throws on stuff, and have a good supplier of True Strike pots

EDIT: Oh right, i think you need to start with 11 charisma cause of Bard if i'm not mistaken...

Yeah EWP is really not worth it from a power perspective, though the extended crit range giving 1 round of Dev is more than enough for death attacks. Knockdown is practically essential though so maybe have to give up the kukri. Well, there are some nice dagger models. Hmm, dagger devcrit...
Mind you I could rely on items for TWF. Shield is going to be pretty important for AC, such that I'll probably only dual-wield when I have a clear advantage. If the items get removed from the module then no big deal really.

Skipped out on DD10 because I wanted Assassin14, but that actually is a good point about how the assassin bonus feats aren't really all that special. But DD10 doesn't really give much worth having either - 50% neg energy resistance which I can get on a potion anyway and paralysis immunity which I can get from Freedom. On the other hand, Crippling strike won't work because the build gets death attack but not sneak attack, yeah? Imp Evasion & +1 DC to death attack for Assassin14, which is still more than DD10.

You can use the assassin bonus feat on epic reflexes as well, if that strikes you as more valuable.

Does anyone know how much set trap is required to place epic traps? Also, how much disable trap is required to recover them from the abyss? And the search required to spot them, if anyone knows.

45. If you are not in combat. 45+D20 /Automatic 20 out of combat = 65. And that's the set trap DC:

urgh, that's pretty expensive.

Due to a little OOC confusion on my main, I've been thinking of giving in and making my usual secondary alt character. I've role played him before on another server (In fact, he was my very first NWN2 and NWN character.) and think he'd fit well in Amia. However, I got some build questions that go with the custom feats that can be requested on Amia so I can emulate the Tempest.

I'm going by the Tempest PRC found on page 81 of the Complete Adventurer as well as Kaedrin's Tempest that he created for his pack on NWN2 found here. The two are very similar as Kaedrin tries to emulate P&P as much as possible with present feats already in the engine. As far as I can tell, the feats should be possible in NWN as well, but I have absolutely no experience in scripting. That aside, what I would like to know is how would I go about doing this?

A Tempest gets Whirlwind attack as a bonus feat and does not require Expertise, so I assume I would need to take a custom feat slot and have a DM replace it later. Then there's Greater Two-Weapon Fighting and Tempest Whirlwind, both of which do not exist in NWN, so I assume I'll need to make a custom feat request for each in turn. (Although I get the impression that Ambidexterity emulates GTWF to an extent, so maybe not?) Then last of all is Tempest Defense, which grants bonus AC and AB depending on your Tempest Level. Would I request this as a single feat or would it have to be five separate feats?

With the Tempest PRC now covered, I just have two more general questions. First, would all the previous custom feats have to be taken as normal feats or might I be able to make use of a Fighter's bonus feats? Lastly, would it be possible to request the epic feat, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting? This character focuses on mastering this particular style.

Probably not. Balance breaking it would be.

I was playing a tempest, though he was short-lived for his suicide I did a dexterity rogue weapon master. I was going to take improved whirlwind and all the 2 weapon feats, etc.

All of it? It doesn't need to be a perfect emulation of the PRC. I could go without Tempest Defense and even the Tempest Whirlwind.

Very_Svensk wrote:

45. If you are not in combat. 45+D20 /Automatic 20 out of combat = 65. And that's the set trap DC:

Skill mastery would make it so the character get's an automatic success (D20), so only 1 point in set trap would be required, correct? Or does it simply add a fixed value of 20, whether you're in combat or not?

Automatic success/failure don't apply for skills, I believe!

wolfurt wrote:

Skill mastery would make it so the character get's an automatic success (D20), so only 1 point in set trap would be required, correct? Or does it simply add a fixed value of 20, whether you're in combat or not? :?

This.

wolfurt wrote:

Very_Svensk wrote:

45. If you are not in combat. 45+D20 /Automatic 20 out of combat = 65. And that's the set trap DC:

Skill mastery would make it so the character get's an automatic success (D20), so only 1 point in set trap would be required, correct? Or does it simply add a fixed value of 20, whether you're in combat or not?

You still need 45 set trap.

Yep, thanks.

Okay, here's where I ask for help once again: I want to play a barbarian instead. Ruathymar, from the Moonshaes. Think Viking. Something with either a spear, or axe'n'shield, I can't decide just which. Only problem is I can't wrap my head around building vanilla barbarian to not-suck, let alone throwing in Amia's special rages. Halp.

A-hinga dinga durgen!

24 barbarian, 4 fighter, 2 rogue. Amia's special rages build themselves.

Darlin', that speedy response is why I love you. Amia's got a lot of nice light armors for barbarians to use, yes? Or should I be fine with Ye Aulde Chain Shirt/scalemail? It has a significantly more Viking/Varangian feel to it than platemail on a reaver does.

Well, platemail would be my first choice from a mechanical standpoint as you get the proficiency for free from fighter, however if you intend on using a shield, the build is strong enough that you can choose an inferior armor type for giggles. Keep in mind that if it is aesthetics you're after, in most circumstances especially given what is in the hak, platemail can be made to look like a lighter variety of armor.

Power word, stun - is it negated by freedom?
If it is i am going to vomit.

No, but mind blank will negate the stun from power word, stun.

GAAAAAAAAAYYYYY.

Then prot vs alignment will also protect right?

Why would it? It applies a Stun effect, not a Paralysis effect. Mind Blank would block it, though, surely.

Yes, Prot. vs. Alignment should work, like against any mind-affecting spell. Can be Morded off though, I guess.

Blooody hells. It seems that the only good spell foci for a sorc are specifically evocation, or necromancy if you want.
Grrr... i HATE the feeling that i have invested feats in a useless school

Fairly sure that the only time the prot Vs. spell wouldn't work against any such spells (with few exceptions, on some spells from another school) is when it comes from an on hit/on hit cast spell from a weapon, since equippable items aren't given a recognisable Alignment mechanically that can be countered by the Prot spell(s). But obviously Minblank and Clarity would still work.

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