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| Author: | bobofwestoregonusa [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:13 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
So, this here is probably my favorite spin on this class. It far, far, far from being the most efficient, but it has its strong points. The build is Bard 21/Fighter 2/Weapon Master 7, and the concept makes me do the smiling. I see it like this sort of warrior poet who looks for challenges to face in order to make his own name. He's a loud, occasionally obnoxious braggert at heart, and he may or may not believe every tale he tells about himself true or not; so he's basically Kanye West. So here we go. Race: Human (These base stats may be incorrect, I'm writing this from a phone.) STR: 15 (20) DEX: 14 CON: 12 INT: 14 WIS: 8 CHA: 14 (16) PRE-EPIC: Bard 12/ Fighter 2/ Weapon Master 6 Pre-Epic Feats: 1: Dodge, Expertise 2-Fighter 1: Weapon Focus 3: Mobility 5-Fighter 2: Spring Attack 6: Whirlwind Attack 9: Improved Crit 12: Blind Fight 15: Curse Song 18: Maximize Spell Epic Feats: 21: Armor Skin 24: Epic Weapon Focus 27: Epic Fortitude 30: Lasting Inspiration For those worried about casting buffs in combat, 24 ranks in concentration and defensive casting will solve all of your problems. The epic feat at 27 is entirely optional and can be changed to epic skill focus perform if you really want, but bare in mind that you risk the wrath if dev crit for it. |
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| Author: | Opustus [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:37 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
I'd point out a few things! DEX13 is enough to wear the ASF0% without much bother; a Maxed Cat's will bump it up to 18, which caps the DEX bonus. This allows you to raise STR to 15 at character creation. I would most definitely want Extend Spell for spellbook flexibility and Extended Haste. This is a matter of taste, but I would happily pony up with an epic feat (Epic Fort) for the Extended enjoyment. It's a great build and you can even squeeze in Spot if you're a human, owing to the Weapon Master. |
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| Author: | That Guy [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:41 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
Actually 18 Dex does NOT max out the 0ASF Chain shirt... 20 does. |
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| Author: | Opustus [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:42 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
What, how? Doesn't it cap at +4 DEX? |
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| Author: | bobofwestoregonusa [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:46 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
I recall the caster armor being +4 ac, and amia changed the max dex of all armor types so that if ypu invest your ac is equal to full plate, sp base ac plus dex mod comes out to 9 ac. Edit: It happened some time last year. |
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| Author: | That Guy [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:46 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
All armors on Amia go to 9 total now, even though they don't say that.... Plate is 8/1, leather is 6/3, chain shirt is 4/5. |
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| Author: | bobofwestoregonusa [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:49 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
But honestly the 15 str variant is just as nice. Slap on some +5 ac +3 dex boots and you compensate anyway. |
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| Author: | Kenneth [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 21:53 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
I've played similar builds before, and they work really well. I changed the feats a bit for knockdown and IKD, since I don't really find maximize to be that useful for bards. Keeping people taunted and knocked down tends to work better. I've seen a few 0ASF plates floating around, and I almost made this build again, just to use one. But you can just swap armors if you're not planning much in combat casting. Here, you can easily max your Perform with the epic gloves, freeing up a lot of slots. You'll be able to solo all the bosses. Bards are fun. |
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| Author: | bobofwestoregonusa [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 22:02 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
The plate is super rare or I would totally build for it. The team took it out of the module for balance purposes (or at least I think that's it, don't quote me on that). |
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| Author: | Kenneth [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 22:35 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
There were two, I believe, sold in the last year. So they're still around the module in people's inventories, I would think. People were just charging really REALLY insane amounts for them. |
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| Author: | That Guy [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 22:45 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
I had a char that almost bought a set for like $100k. The half plate with a -1 STR penalty on it. |
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| Author: | Opustus [ Fri, Mar 13 2015, 23:07 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
That Guy wrote: All armors on Amia go to 9 total now, even though they don't say that.... Plate is 8/1, leather is 6/3, chain shirt is 4/5. Is that the DEX modifier or the armour bonus? The untouched leather armour is 6/2, DEX/AC, meaning that if the other armours follow this logic as well, the base armour is increased, not the max DEX AC. |
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| Author: | Naivatkal [ Sat, Mar 14 2015, 2:33 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
DEX bonuses were upped. So a 2/6 armor is actually 2/7 |
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| Author: | bobofwestoregonusa [ Sat, Mar 14 2015, 2:43 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
It's one of the changes that could admittedly do with better documentation. |
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| Author: | Uberuce [ Tue, Mar 17 2015, 19:57 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
I went with Bard21/WM5/Ftr4 on mine, using a scimitar. The difference between 12-20 and 10-20 crits is pretty piddly and you get that +6 damage per hit. It's a fearsome bosskiller, as long as you're just having a toe-to-toe with something that can be critted. |
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| Author: | Dergaii [ Tue, Mar 17 2015, 20:40 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
bobofwestoregonusa wrote: It's one of the changes that could admittedly do with better documentation. I'd suggest adding it to the Modifications: classes and feats: Miscellaneous |
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| Author: | GreatPigeon [ Tue, Mar 17 2015, 20:40 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
Uberuce wrote: I went with Bard21/WM5/Ftr4 on mine, using a scimitar. The difference between 12-20 and 10-20 crits is pretty piddly and you get that +6 damage per hit.
It's a fearsome bosskiller, as long as you're just having a toe-to-toe with something that can be critted. |
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| Author: | Shadowfiend [ Sat, Apr 11 2015, 11:52 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
What is the lvling order? |
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| Author: | Maverick00053 [ Sun, Apr 12 2015, 16:21 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bard/Fighter/Weapon Master - The Sword IS Mightier |
The leveling order wasn't given because as long as you stick to the PRE-EPIC: Bard 12/ Fighter 2/ Weapon Master 6 you can't really mess it up. The only thing of note is where certain feats are listed, such as Curse Song, you need to take a bard level there to properly grab the feat. I am also going to say that Maxi spell requires a bard level as well. So take your fighter/bard early then go 6 WM, and finish off the rest of your bard after that and you should be fine. |
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