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A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
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Author:  TheRogue [ Sun, Dec 18 2016, 23:35 PM ]
Post subject:  A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
I tested an odd build, a half orc barbarian/bard/red dragon disciple it seem well for hit damage and HP but I'd like some input for feats. Let loose the creative juices!
Author:  Commie [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 0:47 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
I believe the fighter build is better, but you can just replace fighter with barb here if you want.

note the levels you take expertise/kd matter due to you getting your +2 int boost, you can't take those feats at 12 int.

Quote:
Class Race Fighter(10), Red Dragon Disciple(18), Bard(2), Half-Orc

Abilies STR: 20 (36)
DEX: 10
CON: 14 (20)
WIS: 8
INT: 12 (14)
CHA: 6 (10)

30 Half-Orc: (Darkvision)
F 01: Fighter(1): Weapon Proficiency Exotic, Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword
F 02: Fighter(2): Blind Fight
F 03: Fighter(3): Toughness
F 04: Fighter(4): STR+1, Weapon Specialization: Bastard Sword, (STR=21)
Ba 05: Bard(1)
RDD 06: Red Dragon Disciple(1): Power Attack
RDD 07: Red Dragon Disciple(2): (STR=23)
RDD 08: Red Dragon Disciple(3): STR+1, (STR=24)
RDD 09: Red Dragon Disciple(4): Cleave, (STR=26)
RDD 10: Red Dragon Disciple(5)
RDD 11: Red Dragon Disciple(6)
RDD 12: Red Dragon Disciple(7): STR+1, Improved Critical: Bastard Sword, (STR=27), (CON=16)
RDD 13: Red Dragon Disciple(8)
RDD 14: Red Dragon Disciple(9): (INT=14)
RDD 15: Red Dragon Disciple(10): Expertise, (STR=31), (CHA=8)
F 16: Fighter(5): STR+1, (STR=30)
F 17: Fighter(6): Great Cleave
F 18: Fighter(7): Knockdown
F 19: Fighter(8): Improved Knockdown
F 20: Fighter(9): STR+1, (STR=31)
RDD 21: Red Dragon Disciple(11): Great Strength I, (STR=32)
RDD 22: Red Dragon Disciple(12): (STR=34)
RDD 23: Red Dragon Disciple(13)
RDD 24: Red Dragon Disciple(14): STR+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword, Epic Prowess, (STR=35)
RDD 25: Red Dragon Disciple(15): (CON=18)
RDD 26: Red Dragon Disciple(16)
F 27: Fighter(10): Overwhelming Critical: Bastard Sword, Epic Weapon Specialization: Bastard Sword
Ba 28: Bard(2): STR+1, (STR=36)
RDD 29: Red Dragon Disciple(17)
RDD 30: Red Dragon Disciple(18): Devastating Critical: Bastard Sword, Armor Skin, (CON=20), (CHA=10)

Ending skills; 30+ disc, 8+ lore, tumble, spellcraft, umd
Author:  TheRogue [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 5:03 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Just looking at those stats and feats would make Many-Arrows proud.
Author:  TheRogue [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 5:10 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
I think a Fighter would be good, but if you want a overwhelming tank, Barb class is the way to go, with a hit die of 12 plus the effects you get from RDD would make that half-orc a mighty good meat shield.
Author:  Commie [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 5:11 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
TheRogue wrote:
I think a Fighter would be good, but if you want a overwhelming tank, Barb class is the way to go, with a hit die of 12 plus the effects you get from RDD would make that half-orc a mighty good meat shield.


that's true. thing is w/o fighter you miss a lot of feats; stuff like improved knockdown and expertise are just really really nice to have, and unlike rage, they are always right there when you need them.
Author:  TheRogue [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 6:03 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Agree. I did a bit of a look through of races and found that the Orog and or Earth Gensai would make amazing Tanks class for this build
Author:  Commie [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 6:08 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
thing you have to remember; with planetouched you are subject to insta-death via banish. I don't recommend them outside of rp reasons.

orog doesn't really get anything since the build only needs str and con, but it loses a level and an epic feat if not more.
Author:  Tarnus [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 10:03 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Btw. if you want to go for terrifying rage, you'll need at least 15 barb levels for that.

Re: Genasi, if you do go for a genasi/dd, please choose at least the right subtype
(i.e. Black Dragon -> Water, Green -> Air, Blue -> Earth). Thats not a DM ruling btw, you are generally free to do as you please, but it makes much more sense RP-wise.
Author:  Commie [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 16:01 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
gold is water too right? arn't they aquatic?
Author:  Jes [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 16:04 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Gold could probably be fire or water. Water probably makes a little bit more sense if only because of temperament.
Author:  robbi320 [ Mon, Dec 19 2016, 17:26 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Aren't Blues rather Air? It's not that easy to put into a box. Blues like to soar over the deserts. Lghtning.
Blacks are chaotic, and water is lawful. That's a strange combination, since your bloodline would pull you towards law and chaos.

But personally, in many cases it is a bit weird. You are a mixture of essentially two very different elemental beings. Justifying that with RP is going to be wonky no matter whether you go with the Air Green, or the Water Green. Both will be a strange mix of their heritages.

But this is the build forum. :P

Earth Genasi basically just asks the question of whether you are willing to risk an instakill for some nice early level free Stoneskin and that sweet +2 str and con.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Tue, Dec 20 2016, 0:56 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Golds are water subtype and aquatic subtype despite the fire brewth.

Blues are earth subtype despite the lightning breath. When in doubt check the 3.5 srd, it has all the dragons elemental subtypes.
Author:  robbi320 [ Tue, Dec 20 2016, 14:08 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Ok, sorry. I didn't know they actually had stuff like that.
Author:  TheRogue [ Tue, Dec 20 2016, 17:12 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Tested the Barbarian/bard/RED half-orc and I am impressed with the amount of damage dealing, question is should the build work with two handed weapons or dual wild?
Author:  Kamina [ Tue, Dec 20 2016, 17:41 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
TheRogue wrote:
Earth Gensai

From an RP standpoint, be careful going down a double bloodline route (Genasi+DD), as you will be expected to RP both traits from such a rare bloodline. It may be drawn in to question should you ever need to request anything.
Author:  Commie [ Tue, Dec 20 2016, 17:52 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
TheRogue wrote:
Tested the Barbarian/bard/RED half-orc and I am impressed with the amount of damage dealing, question is should the build work with two handed weapons or dual wild?


Its not that much more damage going from two handed to one hand and shield, but you will notice missing eight ac. Monsters and pc's regularly swing in the mid to high 50's and your ac needs to be at least that or you're going to get obliterated by not only other players, but monsters as well.

Two handing is really only solid when you can get high ac without a shield. Same with dual wielding.

Ac is king. DR don't help when you eat two or three attacks a round and can be crit easily.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Tue, Dec 20 2016, 21:52 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
Two handing is stupid fun if you have a consistent buddy to hang out with to take some of the flak off of you, or if you can consistently do something like good DR and improved invis, or the like. But outside that, yeah, losing 8 AC is just hella rough, it's hard to make up that difference.

But if all you do is fight alongside a buddy and his summon or get buffed by a bard or cleric or something, then hell yeah, go wreck faces.
Author:  Commie [ Wed, Dec 21 2016, 0:51 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: A half-orc bbarbarian/bard/rdd?
you can also monkey grip and 1hand your 2hand, then use a shield if you need to or don't if you don't.

no reason to not do it.
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