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Author:  Dead [ Mon, Mar 16 2015, 16:07 PM ]
Post subject:  Updated driver = crash?
I have been encountering this issue with Neverwinter Nights for years now and I'm finally sick of it.
My problem is twofold:

:arrow: 1. If I'm playing with an older version of my video card driver, the game runs pretty well, except my framerate is really, really horrible. It is not an issue when I am standing in Tarkuul and chatting, but as soon as I start moving, it turns into a framerate nightmare. So having an old driver is really not an option.

:arrow: 2. When I update my drivers, the game (you just lost it!) framerate is perfect, even in the most crowded areas, except I am encountering crashes to desktop, and game becoming non-responsive.
    - I played around a bit with resolution and settings and there are ways to play it without crashing, as long as I am not switching between full screen and windowed. Also if I push my settings too high, the game will just crash to desktop.
    - I pushed the anti-aliasing and now the game crashes to desktop immediately upon it being started via any shortcut. Now I cannot even access the options menu to drop down the anti-aliasing.

System: Windows XP SP3
Graphic: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series (that's 1gb DDR5)
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250
RAM: 4GB
Author:  CautiousDread [ Mon, Mar 16 2015, 16:24 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Hey Dead,

What's the settings you have in your nwn.ini and nwnplayer.ini?
Does your Graphics Card have a specific program for controlling it as well? Since there could be an option using that to minimise all the settings actually used by outside sources (i.e not the ingame settings) to make it somewhat more stable?

If this isn't clear lemme know and we can go through things a bit more.
Author:  Dead [ Mon, Mar 16 2015, 21:36 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
I have ATI catalyst. I did push up the settings, and on the old driver it literally makes no difference. My FPS will be as it is. To solve the anti aliasing crash I rolled back the driver, entered the game normally and toned down the game settings. When I get back home I'll update the driver to a newer versio and will have to check those files out.

Is there something specific that I should c/p here from it?
Author:  CautiousDread [ Tue, Mar 17 2015, 11:37 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
For Nwnplayer.ini
Everything under "Game Options"
For nwn.ini
Everything under "Display Options"
Everything under "Video Options"

That should cover what is needed.

What Direct X version do you currently have installed? As a side thought.
Author:  Dead [ Tue, Mar 17 2015, 22:40 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
I tried toning down everything in catalyst to a minimum and it still crashes immediately upon clicking on the icon.

I'm using DirectX 9.0c

nwnplayer.ini

[Game Options]
Max Memory Usage=64
Single Player ItemLevelRestrictions=0
Single Player Enforce Legal Characters=0
Memory Level=1
Memory Access=2
TooltipDelay uSec=100000
Enable FloatyTextFeedback=1
Hide SecondStoryTiles=0
Client CPU Affinity=0
ClientEntireChatWindowLogging=0
LogMyEmoteUsage=0
In-game Text Swear Filter=0
Visible Cloaks=1
MouseoverFeedback=1
TextBubbleMode=1
Heartbeat Logging=0
Difficulty Level=2
Log Model Errors=0
Death Logging=0
CODEWORD=hacktastic


nwn.ini

[Display Options]
Width=1280
Height=1024
BitsPerPixels=32
RefreshRate=60
TexturePack=0
SafeMovie=0
FullScreen=0
AllowWindowedMode=1
UseLargeFont=0


nwn.ini

[Video Options]
VideoQualitySetting=3
Enable HardwareMouse=1
NumDynamicLights=8
AntiAliasing Mode=0
Enable VSync=0
ShinyWater=1
NumShadowCastingLights=3
EnableVisualEffectsHigh=1
Enable Truform=0
Enable AnisotropicFiltering=0
CreatureWindSetting=2
EnableGrass=1
EnableFastGrass=0
EnableSkyboxes=2
Gamma=0.900000
EnableEnvironmentShadows=1
CreatureShadowDetail=2
Grass Far Render Distance=900.0
Enable TextureAnimations=0
Enable CreatureEnvironmentMapping=0
ClientEntireChatWindowLogging=1
Author:  CautiousDread [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 10:39 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Okay, I've made some changes to the details posted and have re-posted them in the same format so it'll be a simple copy paste job,

nwnplayer.ini

[Game Options]
Max Memory Usage=64
Single Player ItemLevelRestrictions=0
Single Player Enforce Legal Characters=0
Memory Level=1
Memory Access=1
TooltipDelay uSec=100000
Enable FloatyTextFeedback=1
Hide SecondStoryTiles=0
Client CPU Affinity=2
ClientEntireChatWindowLogging=0
LogMyEmoteUsage=0
In-game Text Swear Filter=0
Visible Cloaks=1
MouseoverFeedback=1
TextBubbleMode=1
Heartbeat Logging=0
Difficulty Level=2
Log Model Errors=0
Death Logging=0
CODEWORD=hacktastic


nwn.ini

[Display Options]
Width=1280
Height=1024
BitsPerPixels=32
RefreshRate=60
TexturePack=3
SafeMovie=1
FullScreen=0
AllowWindowedMode=1
UseLargeFont=0


nwn.ini

[Video Options]
VideoQualitySetting=3
Enable HardwareMouse=1
NumDynamicLights=8
AntiAliasing Mode=0
Enable VSync=0
ShinyWater=0
NumShadowCastingLights=3
EnableVisualEffectsHigh=1
Enable Truform=0
Enable AnisotropicFiltering=0
CreatureWindSetting=2
EnableGrass=0
EnableFastGrass=1
EnableSkyboxes=0
Gamma=0.900000
EnableEnvironmentShadows=1
CreatureShadowDetail=2
Grass Far Render Distance=900.0
Enable TextureAnimations=0
Enable CreatureEnvironmentMapping=0
ClientEntireChatWindowLogging=1


-Changes made-
Memory Access, change to 1 from 0
CPU Affinity, changed from 0 to 2
Safemovie, changed from 0 to 1
TexturePack, changed from 0 to 3
Fastgrass, changed from 0 to 1
Grass, changed from 1 to 0
Skybox, changed from 2 to 0
Shinywater, changed from 1 to 0

Let me know if that works
Author:  Dead [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 12:11 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Nope. Crashes to desktop immediately upon clicking on the icon.
Author:  Silkelock [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 13:54 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
check your sound settings.
Author:  Dead [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 14:41 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
I disabled sound in nwn. Same thing.
Author:  CautiousDread [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 15:03 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Poo...

Is NWN in it's original install location?
Author:  Dead [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 17:30 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Nope. It's on D in my games folder.
Author:  CautiousDread [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 17:36 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Okay, looking up a few things.

Just disable Shiny Water and see if that solves it maybe?
Author:  Dead [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 17:39 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Well according to these files it is set to 0 right?
Author:  CautiousDread [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 17:40 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
The edit I made yes that's true but you said it crashed it?
So ignore the rest of the changes I made and just focus on the ShinyWater one.
Author:  linlan [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 18:22 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
mhm, your CPU is dual core, so the Client CPU Affinity in nwnplayer.ini should not be higher than 1. Try that value, just in case?

Any chance you can roll back to an older version of the driver (yet newer than your buggy old one) ?
There are reports of broken OpenGL in some versions of ATI 5700 drivers.

Someone also posted a fix for a similar bug with NwN2 which involves reinstalling the game in XPSP2 compatibility mode. would that help?
Author:  Dead [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 21:30 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Tried with CPU affinity 1, no change.

I can roll back for sure. But I'm not sure whether it will help. I remember when I was playing on my old AGP computer, the driver I got with my PC was working fine for nwn. As soon as I updated it, my FPS dropped to something truly horrible. I was using ATI 3850 which is a top notch AGP video card.
Author:  linlan [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 21:44 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Dead wrote:
I disabled sound in nwn. Same thing.


can you try to switch to Dolby Surround in the Advance Sound Options?

Edit : when you right-click the shortcut to the .exe, what do you have in the Compatibility tab? can you try changing a few options here?
Author:  Dead [ Wed, Mar 18 2015, 22:58 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
I don't know how to do that dolby thing.

I can run in win 95, win 98, win 2000, and win NT 4.0 (service pack 5)
Author:  linlan [ Thu, Mar 19 2015, 8:56 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
In the main game screen (nwnmain.exe, or clicking Play on nwn.exe), You have the following buttons :
New / Load / Multiplayers / Movies / Options / Exit

When you enter the Options, select Sound Options then click on Advanced Sound Options and click on Dolby Surround
(The MilesFast 2D emulation may cause a glitch)

Did you try to perform a new "Scan" in the nwnconfig.exe application?
Author:  CautiousDread [ Sat, Mar 21 2015, 11:34 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Have you tried renaming nwnmain.exe to nwnmaingame.exe
For some reason that worked on my test PC when i was having similar issues.
Author:  Dead [ Tue, Mar 24 2015, 23:49 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Updated driver = crash?
Okay got an update for ya. It seems my video card died. I'll be prolly be getting another one. Is there any graphic card in particular that is fully compatible with nwn? My budget is around 50e, will be buying a used video card.

PCI express btw.
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