Agreed there Xordae! Its the main reason why I stay out of Winya. I respect the player that for whatever reason, I don't get on with there OOC. Its just easier not to get involved in the RP with their PCs. If accidental meeting occurs, one of course interacts but I know where I'm welcome and where I'm not.

The fact is, we'll not get on with every other player here. Some just rub up the wrong way. I'm sure I've got a few peeps who hate my own style and I just accept that this will always be the case. That's just human nature at work and if we took it personally, we'd be failing to understand that people are different.

But, this isn't about those particular moments where OOC feelings go wrong IC too. Most times, its usually a chance/random encounter we're dealing with and how we interact in a mature fashion (or not).

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Elithiel Issatheerin (Shadow Elf) She who Lurks
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I still think it's unfortunate that OOC feelings are allowed to color your interactions in Amia as much as they do. I mirror Kjetta's belief that the players are too seated in having 100% control of their characters in any situation, even a DM one. We speak of DMs "needing permission" from the players to do X thing to your characters. Why do I need permission? I'm the DM and you are part of the world. This is how it's happening.

Deal with it.

But no one likes being told that, really, so, here we are, in a day where you can ignore any RP you like for any reason you like whatsoever, even to the point where somehow Cordor isn't destroyed to you because it was done by a guy you hat OOCly and so "doesn't exist" to you ICly. Must make it hell when you need to get anything done there...

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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

Some people are on their way to do something that involves RP they WANT to be in, only to have it interupted by your stupid roadblock RP that has little or no depth, not even a real purpose, and ironically, is always full of people who cry when said roadblock is destroyed by someone who answers your need for money with a quick death. Because I know anyone who tried to rob me I would kill without hesitation.

So to answer the question of why people don't always want to stop at some stupid roadblock, it's because they got better things to do(OOC wise and ICwise)

I would walk right past the roadblock and start PvPing anyone who even speaks to me and then ask the players of their dead corpses to "roll with the punches".


Also if the DMs were able to do that I'd leave in heartbeat Tormak...because the last thing I think would be good for me as a player or my character, would be having it subject to your whims. In that case the Dms might as well play by themselves.

God forbid the world be able to affect you in ways that might be adverse to Your Almighty Plan. You are demonstrating what is wrong with Amia, in my humbledore. An unwillingness to interact with the world around you. It is "Your Story", and fuck everyone else who you deem unworthy of bing a part of it and your time, including any DM who might go out of their way to put some unpredictability and life into your roleplay.

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Prettymuch this.

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God forbid I am able to affect the world by having even one of my ALMIGHTY plans succeed. It is you that demonstrates what's wrong Torm...sorry...but it is. You want every character of your choosing to be affected by your whims while meanwhile you can halt any of their plans at your whims.

IT IS MY STORY. It is my character, not some NPC you can screw around with at your leisure.


And yes I ALLOW any changes -I- deem worthy for my character, IT'S MY CHARACTER.....and he has plenty of good WELL EARNED scars....not cheap idiotic bullcrap missing fingers, tongues, or any other outrageously stupid thing someone else imposes upon my character, and yes...sometimes I don't like the "unpredictability" of the DMs...


Because it's not unpredictable...in every instance I was hurt, killed, maimed, or something else...maybe ifyou unpredicatably let one of my ALMIGHTY plans to succeed, then we wouldn't have to steal our own little small successes through god gaming means.

Thank you for proving my point, Geld.

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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

I am perfectly willing to interact with the world around me. As long as I can affect IT instead of it just affecting me.

It's a two way street buddy. You want the world to change the characters, then let the characters change the world.

"Let the characters change the world"

*Glances to the Necromantic Attack on Ne'sek (started by PCs and kept running by PCs on both sides)*
*Glances to the war between Benwick Hollow and the Black Caravan (PC initiated and maintained)*
*Glances to the many PC EvilFaction Overruns of Uhm/Wharftown*
*Glances to the uncountable PC influences in Cordor in regards to the massive Commonwealth plot*
*Glances to the Wyrmshadow Prophecy*
*Glances to the terrorist bombing on Cordor South by a PC*
*Glances to the Talosan Storm Attack on Cordor and its damage done to the Outskirts, by, surprisingly; Evil PCs*
*Glances to the dozens of, unadvertised publically, events*
*Glances to the PC Initiatied Sharran Army vs Mystra's Monolith 'war'*
*Glances to the destruction of Cordor's Jail's as part of the Commonwealth Plot*

...Uh?
We let the PCs have a pretty dire affect on the world. The only point you can really make there is that we -regulate- it to keep it both somewhat reasonable from a setting/RP perspective, and a Discodev Workload perspective.

Turn off those blinders, m'boy.

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Gotta side with the Wonster here. Those plots he didm ention, all PC influenced to a HEAVY degree.

Oh! I forgot a nice one which was -Raw- PC affect on the city's corrupt officials-

*Glances to the Corrupt Guards in Cordor and PCs bolstering/hindering/firing/killing and having long-term effects on Cordor's guard and military system (for better or worse)*

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Ah good ol' Greywatch..

I was NOT involved in a single one of those instances. Now let me think point out some instances of my own:

A Vhaeraunite has infiltrated the ranks of Ultrinnan. During a sacrifice my character whispers a prayer to Vhaeraun. DM Fireballs directed at me. PLot ruined.


A bard wants poop golems. All of Ultrinnans Matrons agree. I get the Archmage to agree to making the golems. I agree to give the keys to house Xull'd'vharcan to any who will assist me in creating my "work of art". DM denial. Plot ruined. Character ruined(after selling out Xull'D'Vharcan...for something the DMs wouldn't provide). Plot ruined.

Ruathym's neighborhood watch...gone. Now Ruathym is like Cordor 2, everything ICly I had hoped to prevent and had been doing so until the watch was denied. Plot ruined. Ruathym was also incidentally ruined.

The Plague. Had members and needed a home. Suggested where the duergars once lived as a base. Was told by a DM that it would be made into a hunting ground. Several months later it was the hideout for the Horseman of the Apocalypse. I was lied to and denied. Plot ruined.

Lolth came and personally exiled Quar'agh, who's only intial crime was walking out of his house(not leaving or running out of the house....walking out the front door.) It snowballed into a big debaucle and of course Lolth gave me the raw end of the deal. Plot ruined.

And ARACH!!! OH my god this was the best one by far. After seeing the horrendous beating I was taking, a Matron player who felt soooo bad for me that they set up a botched sacrifice to try to protect him. It got him into so much trouble, and of course the DMs blasted him for it. I perma'd him...plot ruined.

One time I tried to manipulate Chiania and Mynna. I had Mynna in my proverbial grasp...and then.....a freakin horde attack in a secluded barn I was using as a base......real slick...plot ruined.

In fact, THERE is only a single time something benefitted me, and that was cause I asked for it, no DM actually came in and intervened on my behalf to affect a good change to ANY of my characters. I asked to keep Quar'agh at lvl 2(which I could do on my own). They allowed that.


Now with all this on my plate(and this is by far not all of it), you could understand my frustration at being halted at every turn by a DM and then being asked to take it in the rear again and again and again and again, meanwhile Frey can attack Nesek a single time(an it was just a distraction from something else) and of course...he gets all the DM support he needs...


Sorry but in actuality reading that list makes me feel more discouraged. I had nothing to do with any of those so they mean absolutely nothing to me as a player. As a character I sppose those changes must mean something. But to me all they mean is that the players of your choice can affect the world...and the rest can take it in the reaer andbe asked not to complain about it.

in fact I had a DM practically tell me anything I asked for would be denied anyways. It has gotten to the point where I NEVER ask for anything from a DM. I plot nothing large anymore, no point in it if you get the negatory at every turn. Why go through the effort of even typing out a request when it'll get a big fat denial? That's not to say everyplayer will experience this....just me.


Maybe I should just accept that NONE of my characters will ever shine here and simply have done with it.

Maybe praying to a blasphemous god in the middle of the temple of one of her enemies, during a holy activity, was a bad idea?

DMs act as the world. If your actions provoke a negative response, you'll get a negative response. If your actions provoke a positive response, you'll get a positive response.




This one I think 99.9% of players will agree. You need only read the first five words. However, I will clarify for readers - yes, he does indeed mean golems crafted of fecal matter, not like "These golems are the {expletive}".
This comes into what I said about being reasonable Setting/RP Wise.



Yossi'd have to comment on that one, however, I'd be willing to bet it has to do with the above - Negative action = negative reaction.



Actually, you weren't lied to. Plans changed unexpectedly. You can overly expound upon it by saying the DMs are against you all you like, however it makes it no less of a fictional belief.



No idea what happened there, TBQH, and I'd say that's the first one you've put here that's actually legitimate.



DMs blasting someone for something typically means they did something wrong. There's likely a great deal more to it than that, and honestly - it's between the DMs and Him. Not you.



If it was actually a Horde attack (ALA Sinqnew's plot) - You'll find there's a reason we Veto'd the Horde's existance some time ago and ended the plot purposefully. It was riddled with the above and wasn't something we wanted to continue. I agree it's an absolutely bollocks thing, hence we don't let it happen anymore and agree that it's crap.



Redundacy I see, unless there's some point there you're trying to make that's just swooped on by.




Oh, I understand your frustration by far. I myself have had to deal with the percieved "DM Roadblock with Swords" issue as a faction leader many times in the diiiistant past. It's a royal pain in the arse, I agree, and it can not only demoralize you from attempting to have an effect - but taint your attempts to fix it because you're expecting a negative reaction.

I won't go into details about that issue, since it's old, however.

However, you need to understand yourself that you grant very little towards your own efforts when your own behaviour spurs a negative response. ICly you make mistakes, the world reacts, and sometimes it seems extremely unfair - it sucks, I know, and sometimes it really does feel like you're being targetted. However, you need to move on from them, and try to look at situations objectively.

As long as you're reasonable and cautious, and willing to adapt, you really can have a pretty major effect upon the world. Using Ne'sek's example - Frey was hardly sitting back in his chair. He had plenty of unexpected obstacles, losses, issues and the like to deal with. However, instead of allowing them to defeat him - he did what anyone else would, which is adjust your plans to overcome it.

Nothing is ever guaranteed. You can make the best plan in the world and have the DMs say "Go For It", however it doesn't by any means confirm that it will work. Like any other game, there are challenges that can arise that you don't expect - either you can give up there and stop playing, or you can work a way around it to either turn it to your advantage or negate it, or even just minimize it as mch as possible and keep going.



Actually, what it shows is that if you have initiative and -rational ability- towards involvement into a plot, you can do a damned lot. Be rational, be smart, and don't assume that things will always go to your plan. In other words - be a player in a game.

A good way help with the above is, of course, not to blatantly insult the people who you do indeed need to work with to have a module-based effect on the server. Anyone can have an effect, but if you're purposefully driving off the people who need to work with you to do so, you honestly cannot hold much basis for a complaint in regards to what little effect you as an individual have on the server.

Look at your own demeanour in the last page or so and ask yourself if that is encouraging towards any DM who may wish to work with you on a player-initiated 'effect' on Amia (Considering alot of work has to go into it). I would wager this is why you don't have much of an effect with your plans.
I know I, personally, as an individual DM would outright refuse to work long-term with an individual displaying such an attitude towards myself or my colleagues in such a manner.

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Poop golems are so much better.

BTW what happened with Ruathym had nothing to do with Yoss. Another DM took over Wiltun and did it. I never knew which DM it was. But I discussed this with Yoss at length via PMs.

And your wrong about one thing Won Won. I NEVER assume my plans will go right...in fact I assume quite the opposite.

Now I will bing an incident in game and I hope this player remembers what I said:

I RPd in Ruathym, that Quar'agh thought he would somehow fail, because I knew as a player that -I- would fail. Quar'agh had his friends Thistlefoot and Rhad present. Quar'gh was glum and feeling down. and he confided to those friends secretly that he knew somehow he would fail because he felt that, "The gods were set against him".......and he was right.

Whoever plays Thistlefoot please tell me you remember this.

In these forums we have discssions on various topics. I am NOT a carebear. I hate huggles. I don't kiss ass. I don't suck up. I tell it like I see it and that's all I can do. I don't think it's right that I be judged on my forum demeanor. I never curse really. I don't flame...nor troll.

I complain about the things that need complaining about...and I'm not about to sugarcoat Amia as the perfect server that ever existed in an attempt to kiss ass and get more stuff.

And even if I could find a DM to help me(2 or 3 come to mind) It wouldn't matter, because the DMs have a concensus on decisions I'm betting and I'm thinking more DMs despise me, even when they hav NEVER RPd with me and have NO clue what I'm really like in game.

And yes...Disease bringing Poop golems that would sack a town and explode upon destruction, raining fecal matter all over Kholingen and making it's citizens ill while the drow laugh at the paladins covered in poop.....has ALOT more depth than some stupid roadblock.

There isn't even a connection between poop and diseases. Throwing poop at cities has never been a strategy in medieval warfare, you'd use corpses of those already succumbed to a disease.
Don't call an RP situation I enjoy for stupid as long as yours involves some shit fetish. Get off your high horses and drop the friggin attitude.

How about a golem that slings lepers?

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How many areas are you allowed to persue your quarry for by default before its regarded as them getting away?

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Elithiel Issatheerin (Shadow Elf) She who Lurks
Isolia Oussea'lylth (Sun Elf) Apprentice Wizardess

Depends.

1) If "getting away" is the mandatory IC way out of the PvP and you follow him and kill him anyways, then you have broken the pvp rules because you gave no IC way out. Cool people just stand their ground and shout after the fleeing party: "Yeah, you better run, coward!"

2) If the "getting away" action is part of legal pvp, say, if during a fight, your opponent tries to mechanically run away from you, then there's no set amount of areas stopping you from following him to the end of the world. If he runs into a town, NPCs will oftentimes stop you, however.

If you are cool and easy-going, then this is never a problem. If this is a problem, then you are too argumentative or something.

Also, easy OOC communication works wonders for your PvP karma. Following someone, why not send them a tell asking for a DC to track them down? Ask if your animal companion could smell them? A lot of neat things you can do with conscent, just ask and clarify it.

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Yeah that's bright. Crap and disease don't mix...*this is me rolling my eyes and shaking my head at the sheer....nevermind*

Anyhow Jan, your words are bringing pain to my brain.

Poop has bacteria...which causes disease....there's your connection.

Furthermore no one in history has thrown lightning in medieval times either...this is Amia not 800 AD.

And yes, Roadblocks are stupid. Unless they have a deeper point they're stupid. You don't make any real money, and unless there's a hidden reason then it IS pointless, except to throw in come comflict into a place already rife with conflict. Will this roadblock have any meaning? Will anyone even be entertained by it?

Actually the main idea behind the golems was the fact that it WAS in fact a losing battle for the paladins. Even if the paladins killed every golem, they'd be covered in poop. Thus the drow would have a laugh anyways, even if the golems all fell. It was a plan made by a psychotic drow clown freak by the way. He was extremely rude, crude, and yes....he liked his toilet humor. The point was I RPd him as he was and that's what he'd do. Since he couldn't do it and I doubt any of HIS plans would ever be implemented, because they were supposed to be non serious in look, I perma'd him too.

Poop golems would not seem a serious threat by name. But I doubt anyone who had to face a monster made of S**t would take the scene as lightly as the DMs and players who couldn't seem to see what an actual horrible threat a real life scenario like that would actually pose.

Maybe so....

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~ Napoleon Bonaparte.
- Clearly, Napoleon never envisioned the Internet......where I'd judge it about 50/50.

Only not... stuff exploding and raining poop is something that I'd expect from a censored, unaired episode of Ren and Stimpy... not a roleplay world with some degree of seriousness.

On the other hand, roadblocks and highwaymen are quite common in these settings... mmmm...

Indeed!

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- Clearly, Napoleon never envisioned the Internet......where I'd judge it about 50/50.

Be nice! Don't ridicule his ideas.

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Actually that's not a good way of thinking. The character himself was a freaky, thoroughly unserious, wacky, and funny person.

If you can't pull that off oh well. But as I said, it was taken serious enough to get Matron approval...unlike your cheap roadblock you threw together in half an hour with a couple friends.


Sorry but regardless of the nonseriousness of it....I put more effort, time, and influence into creating those golems then you did with your stupid roadblock.

I had to be orginal, cunning, and manipulatve...all the while wearing gaudy bright purple and yellow threads......in Ultrinnan.......and somehow live.

I pulled it all off on my own with only the need for the golems I never got....but regardless even of that, I still made it possible, and if the DMs said yes it would have happened.

All you need to make a common, bland, boring, and stupid roadblock is some furniture. Furthermore since you are not making any good money off it it's just plain stupid. Plus it needs no DM approval to make, NO prior RP to build, and no need to influence anyone outside yourself.

Roadbock is stupid because......it's easy.

Poop golems were a trial to convince the first Matron to approve it(which I did, by risking my life and selling out a another house), convince the Archmage to make them(Which I did), And convince a DM(unnecessary to make a stupid road block).

It was originality versus reason. Reason won. It may not have been common to have Poop golems as opposed to a roadblock....and that was the point. It'll be a cold day in hell when I see a "unique" Roadblock.

And I GUARANTEE this: those golems would be something to remember..unlike the stupid roadblock and it's RP, which could be easily forgettable.

Enough with calling people stupid. Be nice.

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Any DM running a poop golem plot would lose all respect I ever had for them, and Amia as a whole. I'd like to think Amia is a more mature server than that.

Temped to ask how old you are.

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Sorry I mean....uh....Easy to make, yeah... substitute every word "Stupid" with "easy to make".

Sorry I am not against Roadblocks per say. I am against forcing other people to put their characters in......"STRONGLY UNWANTED" situations. Maybe it's because I hate bull types IRL and I had my character have issue upon issue thrust at them, leaving me holding the bag with how to incorporate their horrible disfigurings upon my characters...

Sorry but only soo much disfiguring is allowed with my characters.

If it makes anyone feel better, Quar'agh has "Og'Elend" carved permanently into his chest......it means "Traitor" in drow. He is also missing the first knuckle of his bony hand, which he gave to his servant Krastitch, as a method of contact(it was DM approved and NO I never used it to call Krastitch when I was in danger)

By the way I am in fact thirty years old. And for the life of me I still understand what anyone's thoughts about how mature the plot was had to do with it...when in fact the plotter himself was a thoroughly immature person....I don't know how many ways I can explain this:

The idea was wacky- THAT WAS THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good now let me say this a second time for those who are still stuck on serious mode here.

The plot wasn't serious- THAT WAS THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now a third time for anyone else who says another thing like "how undignified", "how unserious", "how plainly weird" and "how uncommon".

THAT

WAS

THE

POINT!!

And the problem, for if some character takes something seriously, even when it's stupid to you as a human being on this computer, judging a psychotic, freaky, wacky, and highly CRUDE...disgustingly CRUDE character who'd would bathe in crap if you paid him enough, on seriousness, then you need to evaluate what you are seeking when you speak of good Roleplay, because you might as well say, he can't be a clown, but I OOC won't take anything he does ICly seriuosly...and THAT was my beef.

Man... your outlook on things, so positive. A ray of sunshine. Not meant to make people feel sorry for you at all. Nope.

In all seriousness, I couldn't disagree with everything you said more.

Amia doesn't revolve around you, you revolve around it.

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We, or at least I, don't do unserious plots. Sure, DM sillyness happens, but that's usually because of drunken DMing. Personally, I despise excess sillyness. Cluckzilla? *Pukes*

Anyways, so you missed the genre. No biggie. Get up on the saddle and try something again.

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Actually it proves that people are closed minded.

Guns, keep your assumptions about my thoughts and feelings to yourself. I neither care for your input on my mentality nor asked for it. Speak about your own scenarios, and keep me out. I get tired of smart ass comments because you don't like what I say....if you don't like it rebutt it.


Anyhow....what happens then when someone plays someone who is wacky? I guess wacky characters don't affect the world then huh?...or not in a wacky way, it HAS to be serious 100%.

Sorry but that straight SUX!

Also IS THERE ANY DM that would do something of a nonserious nature.....if not get one...cause seriously it'll be a drag if the only plots MUST have seriousness incorporated ICly.

I dislike the word wacky.

I prefer the term eccentric or quirky.

Wacky makes it sound like a comedy, a clown. Not serious.

Eccentric, or quirky, has a sense of seriousness about it.

Sure a gnome bumping into a wizard working on an amazing temporal portal spell that screws over the space-time continuum, might be funny, or amusing, but ultimately isn't the type of thing that'll 'commonly shape world events'.

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-Extraordinarily ordinary in the mostest of ways.

That's why I used Wacky. Comedy was implied.

I must admit a sneaking fondness for the absurd, but I'm comfy happy fine with the fact it means none of my characters are ever going to be much more than comedy sidekicks to the people that have an attention span longer than eight seconds. Y'know, the ones that actually get stuff done.

Anyway, regarding poop golem: that was the least funny joke Kevin Smith's ever done. I disliked that plot intensely on the grounds it was such a bum note in his gag career. I don't even mind that it's a ripoff, but ripping the rubbish bits off is just...fail.

Feces could be used as a weapon, from a strictly biomedical point of view. Still, this seems a bit too silly for me, and I think I can be silly at times. Keep on rolling with your ideas, and if you have given up hope entirely, that doesn't mean that everyone has to hear all about it, Geld. Clearly your points have been rebutted, and you have just been unfortunate when it comes to your PC's impact on the game world.

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Does the world suffer any time a DM chooses to ignore a player for any OOC reason, too? "That's too silly even though it is ICly possible." is certainly an OOC reason.

And please note: I believe the answer is "No". But I also believe, that keeping RP with certain players to a minimum isn't such a bad idea either, if you're just not compatible. Don't ignore them blatantly if they interact with you, but keep it to a minimum and leave a.s.a.p.

I already bend my RP to meet certain people (read: party forming). Why shouldn't I bend it to _not_ meet certain people?

Regards
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What Tormak is more referring to is "Every time you say ' I'm going to completely deny the existance of this character, his efforts, and his even OOC existance ' and henceforth operate as such, the world suffers".

Avoiding someone out of OOC distaste, discomfort, and generally not enjoying RPing with someone is all well and good, IMHO. It is a game. As long as, if you -do- happen to interact, you at least go "Yes, I acknowledge you're there ICly and OOCly" , even if you part ways in doing so.

IE. You can't ignore someone, but you can damned well minimize your interaction with them.

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That is fine, but some take it to harmful extremes in which they OCCly renounce the very existance of characters or IC happenings ("I do not accept that this happend this way; as far as my RP is concerned, [City X] is still standing") If we allow players to scatter our one shared fantasy reality into different factions, then we undermine our entire project, IMO.

EDIT: I was replying to the post above WonWon, who, once more, proved that Aussie Timezones are ahead of European ones.

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Yus.

You still have to acknowledge another PC whether you like it or not - they still exist in the world just like your PC does.

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Those.

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Or, feel free to ignore anyone ICly, but you can't ignore them occly.

Your character refusing to react to the guy and pretending he does not exist is fine, you doing it as a player is not.

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Geld, for your own sake, stop replying. You have successfully humiliated yourself in front of the entire playerbase. Stop it. Please.

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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

Australian messages take a time to arrive here in Europe, so I'll quote Kjetta. ;)


I don't see this in Geld's posts, not where Tormak actually wrote that quite absolute statement. I dare say, the most RP Geld admitted to ignoring was a roadblock, which, as others have pointed out, would be semi-easy to avoid ICly. It wouldn't break anyones world either, if the road-blockers let people pass out of OOC courtesy. Sorry, I just don't get why people cannot write "// go and have fun, you probably took one of the ten other paths today".

This thread originally was about PvP rules and OOCly letting people go on with their lives. The second part might have gone lost somewhere. Maybe I'm an OOC carebear, but I would in almost all _routine_ RP put someone's OOC wishes above IC things.

Yes, Geld said he ignored "the HELL" out of certain players, whatever that means. From what he wrote he does that after he gave up on playing with those people, and it seems like he played a lot with a lot of characters. And even if you think he just wants to win, just wants to make unbeatable superhero characters that can shrug off or ignore all IC things that could happen to them ... Give him a break.

Regards
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I beieve these posts are the ones to whih we are referring ... it seems pretty solid that he is the one who ignores them on an OOC level, rather than an IC one.

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One day I'm gona try charging 1gp at a roadblock, and see how many actually pay the toll. I've tried roadblocks in the past and got 20-30 epic level do-gooder's looking to kill me because mysteriously they all knew where I was at the same time.

In the 1gp tollbooth:

The way out? 1gp they can pay or rp'ly claim to pay, it's their choice.(with said 1gp they can walk by and have access to an area, you can't tell me charging 1 goldpice at a roadblock is somehow unfair and disruptive to how people roleplay when killing a 'single' monster of 'any' type earns the same or more...and they always have the option of going the other way.

Griefing? ...ha, even if they lost 3 gold pieces by going back and forth, it's still not hurting them. (or if they roleplayed loosing 3 pieces)

I bet yea 95% of them are going to fight me just because they can.

"Oh so and so is causing trouble, let's kill them! who cares 'why' we get to kill them, not like that matters, it only matters that we 'get' to kill them"

..and I roll my eyes.

The real issue is the stupid attitude where they believe themselves to be godly heros 'On An OOC Level' and therefore 'anything' negative that happens to their character is deemed 'wrong' in their eyes, and they look for a rule to use against said player as a means of revenge on them oocly.

For example:

"Oh he dare charge me 1gp to pass 'x' path?"
*attacks me*
*actually looses a fight for once*
"Oh my gawd im totally reporting you for blocking off an area!"

...wtf? it was 1gp, that you didn't even have to give over, only rp it as such.

"Still reporting you, don't send me tells or I'll report you for harassment, my character gets to pass because I'm refusing to roleplay with you"

...

...and people wonder how the rp environment is damaged, it's the ass-hats' with god-like attitudes in the game who think it is only them who deserves to have fun, when it should be "how can I use my character to create fun for everyone?"

This seems 'imo' to be just another rule for them to hide behind and use agianst decent rp'ers to get their e-revenge.

With the amount of do-gooder epics and people sending ooc tells a tollbooth/roadblock on the surface does not last very long, the issue of areas being blocked off for an extended period looses its value there.

If someone is griefing another, it should be in the entryway or journal "How to report people" "Griefing is:..." "To submit a report send to..."

If the noobie players don't bother reading it I don't see how that is justification to punish the rest of us by limiting roleplay and allowing people to hunt purly in an OOC context. I thought we were about IC hunting. An area blocked off? pay the roll (Or RP paying the toll), go in the back way, or find one of the many other hunting areas in the same level range.

but to attack, die, and continue on is just ooc asshattery imo.

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Several of my character would attempt to pwn you if you wanted to charge 1 gp, they would read it as an almost symbolic attack on their honor and so would do anything to oppose you. Wouldn't bitch if I lost though.

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Yup. My characters tend to die easily in PvP. I just congratulate the winners.

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