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jimbono1
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 Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 4:57 AM |
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Joined: 30 Sep 2007
Location: England
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There are many people who use Necromancy. There are not many True Necromancers.
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Yossarin
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 5:34 AM |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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"True Necromancer" is a questionable term. It has entirely different interpretations depending upon which set system or setting you are referring to. Or even time.
And yes, I know the EO is canon. I said not formally canon.
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jimbono1
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 6:16 AM |
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Joined: 30 Sep 2007
Location: England
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True Necromancer is a class, and it's one that uses both Divine and Arcane magic, because limiting yourself to one method is foolish!
_________________ Khaldun Menetnashte KhalfaniVictor WilkinsonSilent2001 wrote: Jimbono1 is my favourite. ^totally not a lie or anything.
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Yossarin
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 6:44 AM |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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Just scoped out the class. More of those kind of necromancers would certainly give the EO something to do. Though calling themselves "true" necromancers is a good joke everyone can share in laughing at.
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BlackestAtrocity
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 7:02 AM |
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Joined: 03 Aug 2011
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I wont derail this anymore than this one post, but my problem with True Necromaners on amia is a build strength one (Yes, hate me) Its too difficult to split 2 completely seperate casting classes, with two seperate casting stats that wouldn't have just been crazy more effective when being a Pure Necromancer Mage or Pure Necromancer Cleric. My character Aurelius is a CL 29 Wizard Specialized, Basic/Greater/Epic Focused Necromancer (No other Focus) with 1 Custom Necro spell currently, and two more basically approved waiting for DCs.. I'd like to say hes a True Necromancer.. but lore/class wise.. I just cant.. 
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Gunz
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 7:10 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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He's a real Necromancer plenty, jimbo is just changing what he said originally to be elitist. 
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san
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 8:47 AM |
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Joined: 21 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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Sure i read somewhere that some Kelemvorites practice Necromancy.. did i dream this?
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 8:53 AM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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Necromancy is a school - and there's certain things in that school which are slightly anthema towards the kelemvorite faith, Some but not everything
Edit - Im sure a lore monkey can explain it more properly.
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Herra Tutteri
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 9:16 AM |
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Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Vaasa, Finland
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san wrote: Sure i read somewhere that some Kelemvorites practice Necromancy.. did i dream this? As the Eternal Order puts it, there are three kinds of necromancy: White, Grey and Dark/Black. White Necromancy consists of goodie goodie spells like Greater Restoration, Undeath to Death etc. Grey Necromancy consists of spells that... aren't really good or bad. I can't remember any of those spells. Negative energy damage spells are those, I think. Dark/Black Necromancy is the kind of stuff the Kelemvorites, or at least Amian Eternal Order, despise and spells like Animate Dead, and drain life and whatnot belong to this set. We have a huge list of spells and in which category they belong, but I can't be arsed to look for it. EDIT: And to answer your question, yes, some Kelemvorites study necromancy in order to use it for good and have knowledge with which to overcome their enemies, people who use the necromancy "wrong" and for "evil". Gagis, for instance, is specialized in necromancy and blasts every undead into smithereens with his UtD. _________________ Characters: Hunar Iroff, The red-bearded, grumpy dwarf with a bastard sword. Chair of Military Issues Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia 
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Proletariat
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 9:19 AM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Necromancy is a school - and there's certain things in that school which are slightly anthema towards the kelemvorite faith, Some but not everything
Edit - Im sure a lore monkey can explain it more properly. Broadly speaking, creating undead and soul magic is what's "evil" necromancy. Things like death ward and destruction are just as evil as the caster and reasons it's employed as premonition or IGMS. Of course this doesn't take into account Jergalite 'sanctioned' undead, Mulhorandi mummies and Elven baelnorns but that's why churches have conflict at all - because interpretation and technicalities were made to be fought over.
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Gunz
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 9:36 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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Yep.
In short, Necromancy doesn't equal bad to a Kellie in every case. And to the point, Necromancer doesn't always equal bad either, as per the aforementioned reason. Kelemvor is concerned with life altering magics and animation of the dead.
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BlackestAtrocity
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 9:50 AM |
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Joined: 03 Aug 2011
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Nevermind 
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Silvarus
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 10:04 AM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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Yossarin wrote: This causes me to think about them in unique and creative ways, and how they interact with the entire Kelemvorite faith in general. I suspect that the Kelemvorite faith monitors its followers, and those who display a great deal of personal aggression are sent in the direction of the Eternal Order. Oh, of course, when the EO hears about this they don't receive a note from the church saying, "This guy goes around really pissed off all the time - you take him!" No, they get something proclaiming the fellow's pure (self-)righteousness and a litany of accolades. The main church, in my mind, has a huge investment in "good PR" at the moment, considering the entire faith is only 20-something years old and they have a ton of work to do in order to get the global population as familiar with the reality of death as Kelemvor wants. Ergo, the church dumps their anger management cases into the Eternal Order, the ones they can't pacify on the proselytizing front, because they know they'll learn discipline in the EO (and have a place to put their natural desire for conflict to use). Hoho, I like this interpretation!
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Gunz
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 10:55 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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BlackestAtrocity wrote: Na, that's extremely bias and an IC thing, not to be taken as lore. Hell, even the EO doesn't follow it as written there anymore.
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dayfer
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 11:01 AM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2010
Location: England
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Proletariat wrote:
Of course this doesn't take into account Jergalite 'sanctioned' undead.
Just beware summoning undead as a Jergalite would normally equal a fall so hard you... well, you get the idea. Least thats what Yoss informed me.
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Gunz
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 11:55 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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It sure would. Sanctioning undead is not something done lightly. It must have solid and meaningful purpose. Which means, summoning a vampire to hunt for epic loot or to kill someone because your PC is mad at them as a priest of Jergal would mean your failure as a priest.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 12:37 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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Gunz wrote: BlackestAtrocity wrote: Na, that's extremely bias and an IC thing, not to be taken as lore. Hell, even the EO doesn't follow it as written there anymore. That was the first draft that got outdated as soon as it came out. Might as well remove it from the wiki, so no-one thinks of it as actual lore. Our main idea with the whole classifying of necromancy was to prevent a legion of shitstorm from unleashing and a sort of a code the common man could look at and say "If I do this, I'm dead." It is entirely IC, but diminutively for OOC reasons as well. _________________  UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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Yossarin
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Posted: Sat, Dec 03 2011, 13:44 PM |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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Gray Necromancy is like your debuffing spells (ray of enfeeblement, ray of sickness) and probably some of the assortment of necromancy spells that don't involve raising/buffing the undead, like frigid touch.
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