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Mr Mago wrote:

You'll understand the frustration with Raise Dead scrolls, Yurell, once you find yourself in a PvP of Many vs You and one of theirs is staying in GS through-out the entire fight, raising his/her buddies on demand even though you've already killed all of them three times over.

In that situation, it's not you who's got a problem with losing the battle, it's them.

Unfortunally, it's quite common, and not the least bit of fun.

That's a fairly legitimate tactic IMO - they're fighting a war of attrition. If you become frustrated, you can always run.

You're not breaking any rules by doing it. Not at all.

Doesn't mean I won't consider the person who does it a jackass, however. And I'll leave, once I've killed them all three times over, and I won't ever return to RP with them again.

Mr Mago wrote:

You're not breaking any rules by doing it. Not at all.

Doesn't mean I won't consider the person who does it a jackass, however. And I'll leave, once I've killed them all three times over, and I won't ever return to RP with them again.

And your not obliged to, although should you ever met again your'e not allowed to ignore their RP.

Yurell wrote:

Mr Mago wrote:

You're not breaking any rules by doing it. Not at all.

Doesn't mean I won't consider the person who does it a jackass, however. And I'll leave, once I've killed them all three times over, and I won't ever return to RP with them again.

And your not obliged to, although should you ever met again your'e not allowed to ignore their RP.

And they're not allowed to initiate PvP without giving an IC way out.

Not to mention, what exactly is ignoring RP?

If they address my character, and my character simply doesn't respond, but walks away, is he then ignoring RP?

Ignoring RP goes under the definition of, when meeting another character, responding // I don't want to RP with you ... rather than giving an IC response (or lack thereof).

I think the rules actually state that it's ignoring RP consequences which you're not allowed to do, rather than ignore RP as a whole.

You can OOC'ly say you don't want to RP with someone, and from my understanding that's not against the rules, so I think your right Mago.

However, you can't use that as a veil to do whatever you want IC, and not have to deal with the IC repercussions. That's absolutely verbotten.

Regards,

You cant ignor RP but you can icly ignor another character.

If another character tries to punch you for instance and succeds then you have the option of ignoring the person and not reacting, you will however take damage from the blow so ignoring them is most likely a bad thing to do. // for this example pvp rules apply of course, but im asuming since you where ignoring the other pc youve ignored your ic way out already.

If another character is talking to you you may emote you are being rude and ignoring them, or you didnt hear them but you can not say "Icly your character doesnt exist to my character" or OOCly either, if your char doesnt or yo dont like someone it doesnt mean they dont exist.

Now if you have an arsehat running around metagameing guards and being completly ooc you can get a DM and Ignor them but its nice if you try to handle it icly.

So if, for example, (and this is hypothetical, mind you) Player A has an OOC issue(s) with Player B, and this seems not resolvable (although let's say for the sake of the discussion one or both sides have made an attempt to resolve it), and that Player A continues to carry this OOC issue IG through RP.

Now, considering you can be sure Player A will likely say "Oh, that's just my character Mr. DM... he's a murderer and hates everyone!" (Anyone play on a Age of Conan PvP server ?

) what is Player B suppose to do when Player A griefs like this?

Simply emote IC he's ignoring the character, right? Then Player A's IG character uses that to justify PvP, and continues to grief the player B behind the veil of IC actions = IC repercussions.

How's this handled?

I thought grieving (griefing?) was against the rules and would be handled by the DMs ...since it is essentially an OOC harassment.

Last edited by Cori on Tue, May 05 2009, 7:56 AM, edited 1 time in total.

By going to a DM with the problem (and whatever screenies you can get), because obviously the other person is a griefer, and regardless of whether you icly or oocly are ignoring them, their intent is still, to grief you.

Alternatively, a lynch mob of epics can always come in handy. :twisted:

edit: *cough* Added the missing smiley that was supposed indicate that last line was a joke.

Cori wrote:

By going to a DM with the problem (and whatever screenies you can get), because obviously the other person is a griefer, and regardless of whether you icly or oocly are ignoring them, their intent is still, to grief you.

Alternatively, a lynch mob of epics can always come in handy.

Aye this, be carefull with the Lynch mob option though you dont want to become the greifer.

Safety in numbers and the Raise/Heal blizzard are the only thing you've got if you don't care enough about PvP to build like a twunt and spend a bajillion hours farming for Mythals and scrolls.

The fact it works against soloists is the opposite of a credible balance complaint, says this here Dev Bov.

Uberuce wrote:

The fact it works against soloists is the opposite of a credible balance complaint, says this here Dev Bov.

I agree with Ruce, who happens happens to both

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build like a twunt and spend a bajillion hours farming for Mythals and scrolls

I believe it is.

It's your single best bet against a powerbuilt, epic-item laden character besides fleeing.

Crowsterf wrote:

If another character is talking to you you may emote you are being rude and ignoring them, or you didnt hear them but you can not say "Icly your character doesnt exist to my character" or OOCly either, if your char doesnt or yo dont like someone it doesnt mean they dont exist.

Ah....

This whole thread is a classic argument of where RP and system cross. My opinion is that one that one out has been given and declined then anything goes because things like time stop, GS, HiPs and raise dead are REAL once you step through the mirror of the lobby and into the world.

In such a world where such things are possible it makes no sense to say what is allowed in a PVP after the fight is started because now you are removing things that are real to the world and the PCs would be fools to not use.

I fully agree with the PVP rules just as they are. You meet, you offer the one out and if it's not taken then have at it and enjoy the RP that came with it. Any following RP, say like being sacrificed to a deity and such, can be agreed or disagreed on OOC once the dust settles.

Someone that is here to enjoy themselves and follow the flow will find some really great RP no matter if they are the winner or not.

Please note these statements are assuming that the posted PVP rules have been followed but even then if a rule has been broken try talking to them OOC about it instead of just calling foul. It could be honest and even if it's not just let them know that you are breaking RP with them and be the better person and walk away.

My humble opinion
Scimiter,

... umm... 3 months old. You're a bit late on the draw here.

Wow and I was re-reading the entire thread...then I saw some posts that I apparently made ages ago...

Thanks for putting up with me it seems I was quite spirited back then :wink:

Oh and...

TormakSaber wrote:

Any time a player chooses to ignore a player for any OOC reason, the world suffers.

Azrael wrote:

Oh and...

TormakSaber wrote:

Any time a player chooses to ignore a player for any OOC reason, the world suffers.

I think this sums it up.

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