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Waait... are the malarites there Natural or afflicted?

Considering that their attacks dont force fortitude saves, it can be safely assumed that they are afflicted.

Can anyone point me in a direction where there exists lore on the Bloodmoon Orcs? Are they just a stereotypical clan of orcs, squatting bestially in caves and spilling out to pillage when their population cycle burgeons? Or is there more to them than that?

If Suney adds my descriptions, there will be lore!

Hello, I have another question.

Can someone describe exactly what goes on when I craft a mythal crystal onto gear at the forge? What happens to the crystal that's used... does it disappear? Does it fade into the item? Is spellcasting involved?

Thanks!

Whatever floats your boat, I guess. The crystal itself is the magical energy used in the process, so yes, it disappears/melts/blends into the item or whatever, AFAIK.

Thanks! But, how does the process even work? Why can we get power like that from a mythal crystal? Why do we have to do it at a forge, does the crystal power the forge or something?

Sorry if I'm just missing here... but the process seems mysterious and I don't know how to role-play it or talk about it properly, even though my character somehow knows how to operate all this.

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Work IC.

Need to know where to find as much information on Kohlingen as a common family would have that has been there for at least 9 generations. Looking to do a thing with Silent there and want to play the part appropriately.

Well, the first thing to know is that a family couldn't have been in Kohl for 9 generations. Kohlingen was established in about the year 1200, meaning there's only been 180 years. I suppose there could be 9 generations if everyone had kids when they were very young, but it's fairly unlikely.

Kohliungen was founded after Cordor, and after Benwick, and after Wharftown as well. Despite being one of the larger cities, it is also one of the newer. Only Uhm and bendir Dale are younger than it. Kohlingen was founded by Lord Darius Tristram after he grew tired of the manipulations and machinations of Lord Galahad of Benwick.

I need to run to get ready for work but I can give you a more complete history when I'm home.

OO! Much obliged sir!

Titles and Honorifics (Churches) - Very nice long list including loads of deities for anyone interrested.

Ed about none-divine titles and honorifics:

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Saer (say-ur) is the Chondathan word for Sir, according to Ed. Ed has also said, in reference to Waterdeep:

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And as for addressing nobles: no, anyone of known noble status is addressed as “Lord” or “Lady” (toddlers and young children usually as “Young Lord” or “Young Lady”) by a Waterdhavian; “Saer” [rather than “Sir”] is used by those uncertain of a persons’s status but signalling that they don’t want to give offense - - or even that they know they’re addressing some who’s not noble, but believe the person has behaved nobly, and is worthy to stand with the best, and wants to signal that respect.

From some of the other responses he's given, we know the term is used in Cormyr, as well.

TormakSaber wrote:

Well, the first thing to know is that a family couldn't have been in Kohl for 9 generations. Kohlingen was established in about the year 1200, meaning there's only been 180 years. I suppose there could be 9 generations if everyone had kids when they were very young, but it's fairly unlikely.

Kohliungen was founded after Cordor, and after Benwick, and after Wharftown as well. Despite being one of the larger cities, it is also one of the newer. Only Uhm and bendir Dale are younger than it. Kohlingen was founded by Lord Darius Tristram after he grew tired of the manipulations and machinations of Lord Galahad of Benwick.

I need to run to get ready for work but I can give you a more complete history when I'm home.

180 years???? :O I thought that the current Justicar is a guy who came from Benwick with Darius and that he is 92 years old.

Did not Yaston speak to Darius not very long ago?

Prolonging life unnaturally, Eternal Order. March!

Phearnun wrote:

Did not Yaston speak to Darius not very long ago?

A year ago I think

Well, it's that or you assume that Kohingen is only about twenty years old which makes completely no sense in the scope of the setting and existant NPCs. I think my lore is quite a bit better. The fact that the PC gets played once in a blue moon is something I can do very, very little about. So unless Yoss wants to contradict me and make Cordor founded newer, which would push up Kohl's founding, I see no reason to shove the entire settling of civilization on Amia to about twenty five to thirty years.

If a Cleric were to patronize Bast in her warlike Foe of Evil aspect, would they still be taking Sharess in their deity field and still have to choose between Sharess' Domains?

LetumLux wrote:

If a Cleric were to patronize Bast in her warlike Foe of Evil aspect, would they still be taking Sharess in their deity field and still have to choose between Sharess' Domains?

Yep, as mosh said. Sharess's domains -are- the Foe of Evil's domains. It is an aspect of her, after all, not something completely unto itself. It is actually a smaller part of her. So while Sharess has the domains of Good, Travel and Trickery, someone who worships her in her Foe of Evil aspect would probably take Good and Travel, as those two coincided with that aspect. The same way a Tormite who worships their lord in his lion-headed form would probably take Protection and Good, as that aspect is more associated with those things than Healing.

Lore on Asmodeus? Also is it possible to worship him on Amia or would one have to place Mephistophelies in their deity field and just say they are in the faith of Asmodeus? Or would that make me public enemy number 1 in the eyes of DMs

It is possible. I suggest using Meph as a stand-in.

TormakSaber wrote:

I see no reason to shove the entire settling of civilization on Amia to about twenty five to thirty years.

This is why I asked for da lore, because it is a bit messed up even IG.

How would his domains/portfolio differ to Mephistopheles, or are they so similar it would not make a difference?

Mephistopheles is the patron of fire and magic, while Asmodeus is the patron of might and oppression. They hold similar roles though. Asmodeus wants to remain the overlord of the Hell's, while Mephistopheles wants to take that for himself. They're the two most powerful Arch Devils.

So I would have to have mephistopheles as a patron anyway given Asmodeus' domains are not supported by nwn or the amian scripted ones? >_<

Do deities reject followers from races other than their own? IE, are gnomes restricted to gnomish deities, elves to elven, orcs to orcish, etc.?

Logicality wrote:

Do deities reject followers from races other than their own? IE, are gnomes restricted to gnomish deities, elves to elven, orcs to orcish, etc.?

Not at all. It's common for an elf to worship Silvanus or Meilikki, a gnome to worship Gond, a dwarf to worship Tempus, a hin to worship Tymora, et cetera. What's less common is the reverse: for humans to give their worship to a member of one of the race-specific pantheons (i.e., a human worshiping Moradin), or for members of a race with its own pantheon to give their worship to a different race's pantheon (i.e., a hin worshiping Corellon Larethian). Play a character like that, and you'll certainly at least get looked at funny by the rest of your church.

Within reason I'd say. Gruumsh would not grant spells to an elf nor Corellon to an orc etc.

I could see a human worshiping Corellon *or any other elven god* if said human was from Silverymoon, a city that is trying to follow the ideals of Myth-Drannor. I expect it still to be rare though, like rare on the extreme to the point that you might not ever meet one.

Worshipping is one thing but with divine classes the questin is if the deity would grant spells to that individual.

hendrack wrote:

Within reason I'd say. Gruumsh would not grant spells to an elf nor Corellon to an orc etc.

Would an elf worshiping an orc deity, or vice versa, be considered faithless?

I dunno. They'd be considered to have impaired sanity, imho. It is so anathema to their own blood and thinking, I doubt its possibly.

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Would an elf worshiping an orc deity, or vice versa, be considered faithless?

Wow, that's an interesting question. It would depend, I think, on whether the character is accepted by the god s/he's chosen. The only time it really makes a practical difference whether a character is Faithless or not is when s/he's lounging on the Fugue plane, waiting to be swept up by whatever god s/he worshiped in life. If the god rejects you and leaves you there, then you're screwed, and fodder for the Wall. So I suppose, then, that it's up to your god to decide whether you're Faithless or not. Which, in NWN/Amia, means it's up to the DMs.

It's been proven on paper that a lot of race gods do in fact grant divine spells to races other than their own. Gods like Aerdrie Faenya, Rillifane Rallathil and Deep Sashelas of the Seldarine; Eilistraee and Lolth of the Dark Seldarine; Urdlen of the Lords of the Golden Hills; and Dugmaren Brightmantle of Morndinsamman.

Even Corellon and Moradin have Drow and Duergar priests respectively. Rare though.

The only major race pantheon that I've found nothing about them allowing other races to be priests are the Hin Gods. Although Sheela Peryroyl might. She's very popular among non-Hin, they pray to her as a god of negotiation/mediation/diplomacy. She's even known among the gods of all pantheons as a diplomat and is asked to mediate divine meetings with high tensions.

I was waiting for you to chime in here guns.. and you said exactly what I thought you would say and I agree.

Well most of the time it isn't something people in the forgotten realms will ever know for certain but speculating I think its posible but so unlikely it would take a very long time for either an elf or orc to ever prove themselves faithful to the opposing race's deities.

Drow champions or paladins of Corellon aren't entirely unheard of(at least as a character origin) in the Underdark, from what I remember. In Corellon's case, I've never found that completely weird, despite the rather categorical notions that he's forsaken all drow regardless of circumstance. He's the all-father of the elves. Should any seek to redeem the sins of their past, it doesn't seem completely odd that he'd accept them back, to a certain extent. And even better, elves have a long life time to win back said acceptance, at least in the eyes of a deity.

I think I heard the Drow are given a chance at redemption by Corellon Through Eilistrae only. Personally you would have a lot of difficulty getting a drow close enough to an idol of Corellon. as well as both deities are CG, having a 'divine champion' (Paladin?) would be near enough to impossible.

How does Mystra feel towards spells that create the undead and necromancy in general?

She doesn't like them but is bound by AO to grant them to everyone.

n.b. there is absolutely no way a PC could ever know that, ever.

666WaysToHell wrote:

I think I heard the Drow are given a chance at redemption by Corellon Through Eilistrae only.

I'm not sure that's actually true, because, as said, Corellon does indeed have Drow priests -- but they're very rare. Whether or not they had to go through Eilistraee first, who knows, but I really doubt that or you'd think it would have been stated. It's odd enough a prerequisite to note anyway, I think, and they didn't.

Faiths and Avatars wrote:

The clergy of Corellon includes gold elves (33%), moon elves (30%), wild elves (15%), sea elves (10%), half-elves of various ancestries (12%) and even a handful of dark elves.

TormakSaber wrote:

She doesn't like them but is bound by AO to grant them to everyone.

n.b. there is absolutely no way a PC could ever know that, ever.

There's no way a PC wou- oh...

TormakSaber wrote:

She doesn't like them but is bound by AO to grant them to everyone.

n.b. there is absolutely no way a PC could ever know that, ever.

Ok, was just wondering what kind of stance my Mystra-following knight should take on people that use Weave to practise necromancy. I guess a "Rattle your bones, but dont do evil deeds with them"-kind of attitude is correct.

a quick question... are djinn suitable for a blackguard pact?

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...Djinn, no. "Always chaotic good", and BG is an evil-only deal I'm fairly sure. Edit: Oh right, it actually says "evil outsider" in the requirement.

Efreet, maybe. It satisfies the "contact with an evil outsider", but the presumption (on Amia at least?) seems to be that the BG pacters are agents of a divine power, which I don't think any genies really are. They certainly can be. I know Efreeti can and do worship gods.

Edit: some slight corrections!

djinn are good? didnt even check that thanks for the heads up!

inb4 Tormak

Aye, Djinn are CG genies. Efreet would work though, they're LE genies.

The PnP requirements are:
Any evil; +6 base attack bonus; Hide 5 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 2 ranks; Cleave, Improved Sunder, Power Attack; and the character must have made peaceful contact with an evil outsider who was summoned by him or someone else.

But besides the NWN requirements, I'm pretty sure all you need is an evil outsider on Amia, which qualifies Efreet.

Djnn are CG Air genies
Efreeti are LE Fire Genies
Marids are CN Water Genies
Dao are LN but very evil leaning Earth Genies

after reading it I got the complete wrong impression of them... from what I read the djinn once rulled calimsham... so i thought they were evil by default my mistake

Alright, I really should just confirm this because I keep getting conflicting answers when I ask people.

Ched Nassad. Is it fallen, in Amia-time?

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