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It's Ched Nasad with one "s," for your future reference.

Ched Nasad fell in 1372 DR to Duergar forces. Amia is in 1380 DR.

I used to play a Ched Nasad born Drow.

...Right, right. Bah, I blame the incredibly inconsistent spelling conventions. Why does Chaulssin have an extra unnecessary S when the perfectly reasonable Ched Nasad lacks one? That's a rhetorical, not a lore question...

But yeah, thankye. Someone gave me the date answer which seems solid, seeing it here works for me. I'll watch this space in case it gets contradicted but I'm fairly sure now.

You can check the timeline; viewtopic.php?f=20&t=55961&p=918628#p918628

Just search for Ched Nasad and you'll find it was destroyed in 1372.

What are the FR equivalents of the 12 months named by?

Calendar of Harptos

EDIT: This also appears to be valid information, but I'd be wary of that wiki anyway, as it is, for the most part, fourth edition.

This is a handy website to bookmark for FR Calendar reference: http://www.kismetrose.com/dnd/CalendarKythorn.html

There are a lot of other calendars too though, but this one is the common and standard one of Faerun.

So essentially, it is the 29th of Kythorn somewhere between 137? And 1380 (roughly)

We are 1380. It's explicitly said in the timeline.

Got a question that's cropped up on the Kiaransalee follower, I have.

Is about the 'death domain summon' she gets - Currently a failed hunefar, and was wondering what the lore on such things were as the description it has IG seems to not match up with any lore I can find on them elsewhere and has left me a little confused.
What I have found on the interwebs points to them being the bodies (Mummies?) of past demigods, whilst its description IG tells that it is a wizard who failed some ritual (Something like a Lich's ritual? To become what, if Hunefars are something different here) Would this lore, be able to be found out IG as that would certainly be a viable (And more interesting!) way to find out what they are and such.

Thanks for any help, you can be of assistance with!

Well, D&D books say that the Hunefer "are the mummies of demigods whose power has not utterly departed to astral realms."

Dunno about any Hunefar. Unless it was a typo (never played a necrophant, so dunno). If it was a typo, and you meant Hunefer, Amia lore might have changed what the being actually is from what the books say. Best for a DM to speak on it if that's the case.

Er, yes. Just a typo, and aye is why I came here (In part?) to see if others had an idea as the idea of running around with body of a demigod as a servant seems a little strange.

Seems more than a little strange, it seems stupid.

Was what I said as well. The creature, as described in the Epic level handbook is indeed a "mummy of a demigod". The fact that the Hunefers (hey look, no typos!) on Amia are "failed" still leaves us with a lot of questions to be answered. Such as: Failed how? In the embalming process? Does that still mean that they are, in fact, mummies of demigods? And if so, how do random clerics get to command such an insanely powerful creature around?

Sounds like a typo, and I didn't do the descriptions, so I've no idea.

It's a typo. You can consider them failed in the sense they're wizards who attempted to reach the level of power in true Hunefer (that of a demigod) through an undead ritual similar to a lich, but screwed up and don't have much more power than that of a typical epic creature.

Alrighty! That works fine for me, thanks for the confirmation/correction/etc.

I am wanting to make a lythari for my PnP campaign and found some information on them in Elves of Evermeet.

But I need to know the more technical aspects that I could not find there (or that I was too dumb to find if they were there):

What are their special stats (abilities, racial bonus if any)?

I know that we have at least one Amian who plays one, which is why I am asking for this information here.

Can anyone provide me that?

Thanks in advance!
~Adri

Quick question about genasi.

Are they generally half elemental blood? Like "My father was a marid." Or are they like aasimar, tieflings, and dragon disciples in that they have marginal elemental blood? Like "My great grandfather's, great great grandmother's, great grand dad's mother was a marid."

Ozelotl wrote:

Quick question about genasi.

Are they generally half elemental blood? Like "My father was a marid." Or are they like aasimar, tieflings, and dragon disciples in that they have marginal elemental blood? Like "My great grandfather's, great great grandmother's, great grand dad's mother was a marid."

The second. The FRCS describes genasi with the same term it uses to describe aasimar and tieflings... they're "descended from" their planar ancestors.

BlackDahlya wrote:

I am wanting to make a lythari for my PnP campaign and found some information on them in Elves of Evermeet.

But I need to know the more technical aspects that I could not find there (or that I was too dumb to find if they were there):

What are their special stats (abilities, racial bonus if any)?

I know that we have at least one Amian who plays one, which is why I am asking for this information here.

Can anyone provide me that?

Thanks in advance!
~Adri

Check Races of Faerun, under Lycanthropes, Dri.

Afraid I've got another one of those "What do people in FR know about the world" questions: is it known that things are made up of cells? Or in general that things are made of smaller parts that die and are reborn. Or is that too modern?

Thanks!

I say far too modern.

I figured, thanks!

Can we even be sure cells exist in FR? I know it's a hard thing for some of us science guys to fathom as we're used to that being a fact of all life, but it's a whole different reality. "Flesh" may just be "flesh" as rock is rock and water is water. Classical elements and whatnot, you know? Water may not be two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen like ours. It may just be...water. It's like the Twin Earth thought experiment.

In any case, I see FR physicians and whatnot being Humorists(not comedians, but practitioners of the Four Humors). And being completely correct in their theory. Just like how Alchemy is correct in FR.

Dark Immolation wrote:

Can we even be sure cells exist in FR? I know it's a hard thing for some of us science guys to fathom as we're used to that being a fact of all life, but it's a whole different reality. "Flesh" may just be "flesh" as rock is rock and water is water. Classical elements and whatnot, you know? Water may not be two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen like ours. It may just be...water. It's like the Twin Earth thought experiment.

In any case, I see FR physicians and whatnot being Humorists(not comedians, but practitioners of the Four Humors). And being completely correct in their theory. Just like how Alchemy is correct in FR.

I'd imagine that a human in the FR is much the same as a human on Earth. (In fact, I don't have to imagine, since many of the humans in the FR are actually descended from Earth humans.) Though I agree that anything with the blood of dragons, elementals, fiends, celestials, etc., running through their veins might have a radically different physiology than what we're used to.

The advent of humans(the Mulan specifically) coming from Earth does present a particular point of reference I suppose. But then we get into messy things such as "Is their reality and our own reality commutative." Does the water in my stomach magically become elemental water when I cross the bridge into Toril? Does my thread of Fate suddenly appear in the hands of the Norns when I cross over the Bifröst?

I'd much rather simplify it and say the guys have their theory right for their universe. If gods can breath life into rocks(dwarfs) or gems(gnomes) or create creatures from merely spilling blood(elves) I have no problem saying they simply are what they are, as are humans: meat.

The main reason I asked if it would be popular is because the Greeks way back into BCE years guessed at the existence of cells, so I figured perhaps the semi-medieval based FR might have something like that in the lore somewhere.

Greek and Indic thinkers also guessed at atoms, too. But that doesn't meant the same Table of Elements would exist. Or even the same chemicals.

Again, and I'm not saying that it couldn't be like you're suggesting(atoms and cells existing in the FR reality), but I find it much more concise to let mythology explain mythology. Or else we end up just transposing the "big questions" of our reality onto a fictional one, when it really needn't be that complicated.

Aye, probably like Tormak said it's just too modern. It's okay, it wasn't for pivotal role-play or anything, just for a bit of song.

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

BlackDahlya wrote:

I am wanting to make a lythari for my PnP campaign and found some information on them in Elves of Evermeet.

But I need to know the more technical aspects that I could not find there (or that I was too dumb to find if they were there):

What are their special stats (abilities, racial bonus if any)?

I know that we have at least one Amian who plays one, which is why I am asking for this information here.

Can anyone provide me that?

Thanks in advance!
~Adri

Check Races of Faerun, under Lycanthropes, Dri.

Found it! Thank you very much, Guns!

Are there any publically known and officially recognized members of the Order of the Golden Lion in Kohlingen's history?

I couldn't possibly remember every PC that's come though, but given Kohlingen's patron religions are the Triad, and Bahamut, I can only assume the answer is yes.

Is there any spell that could trasnfer bodys between two people. Prreferably something that would change the mind between the two.

Does energy drain effect the mind or the body, as in first question would the debuff transfer across or stay?

Dark Immolation wrote:

Are there any publically known and officially recognized members of the Order of the Golden Lion in Kohlingen's history?

Almost every Tormtar paladin PC has the Golden Lions in their background,even in the TKs. I think only Hector Tormigan, the founder of the TKs was the one as a PC who achieved something there when he was knighted by the Justicar and later became the leader of the Defenders. Not sure about Kald Blake, he was a negative and positive figure in the same time, but he was a paladin of Torm before he decided to become a paladin of Mielliki. Not sure if he had the Golden Lions in his background though. I cannot say much about the NPCs.

How many moons of Faerun are there, and what color are they?

(I ask because Selune's colors are silver, but that implys earth's moon)

speedgrab wrote:

Is there any spell that could trasnfer bodys between two people. Prreferably something that would change the mind between the two.

Does energy drain effect the mind or the body, as in first question would the debuff transfer across or stay?

Define transfer bodies. Possession? Suppression? Freaky Friday?

Energy drain likely affects the body.

Not sure about moons. One or two, I think.

I think "freaky friday" would be a dman good way to put it. cant remmber much of the flim but form what i remeber complete mind swap. proberly unable to do things they could before, unused to the body.
but in a permenant way?
if you understand by that?

I don't believe there's a spell that does that. Most possession and transferral feats keep the possessors' feats, spells, mental abilities and skills, but the body's physical scores.

Murex wrote:

How many moons of Faerun are there, and what color are they?

(I ask because Selune's colors are silver, but that implies earth's moon)

There's just the one moon.

FRWiki wrote:

Selûne is Toril's only natural satellite. Only one side of it ever faces the planet, the other side is always shrouded in darkness and this is where most activity takes place. It is named after one of Toril's native deities. Trailing in the orbit of this satellite are the Tears of Selûne.

Yes, I know how dangerous it is to quote FRWiki as a source, but I can't imagine the astronomy of the world changed all that much between 3rd Ed and 4th. Also there are a bunch of colloquialisms that bolster this: for example, Selune and Sehanine and Eilistraee are referred to as being goddesses of "the moon," and one of the five recurring annual holidays is called "Festival of the Moon," and so forth. The moon is the same color as Earth's moon (it's depicted in color in the holy symbols of Sehanine and Eilistraee).

TormakSaber wrote:

I couldn't possibly remember every PC that's come though, but given Kohlingen's patron religions are the Triad, and Bahamut, I can only assume the answer is yes.

I was asking specifically about NPCs that would be known in Kohlingen's history(its founding, knights that may have come from Benwick. Possibly one from the mainland that has/had connections to Barriltar himself, not some Joe who just decided one day he'd up and consider himself part of the Order.

TormakSaber wrote:

I don't believe there's a spell that does that. Most possession and transferral feats keep the possessors' feats, spells, mental abilities and skills, but the body's physical scores.

hmm, Could i get any referance on where to look for these.
And would say, Rdd scales and wings, Pm grafts and other things like that count as a "physical scroe" or still transfer across?

Um, no, just because you cast Magic Jar and possess someone doesn't mean they spontaneously grow scales ora bone arm.

However, I think I dislike where this liine of questioning is going....

Right then thank you Tormak, for the quick response.

One last thing though.
Barbarians could be seen as survivalists, who survive on what they can though their own means (albiet a diffrent form than rangers would, with more aggresion and outburts to hunt prey.

Or are they all from tribes of well barbarians.

(just asking all the questions i have at once which i store every so often>.>)

Classes are most of the time a way of a life I would assume. Eg. not all barbarian tribesmen have to be the barbarian class though with obvious limitations as the class still requires the character to behave in a very certain way. So in sum yeah I suppose barbarians can be seen as survivalists or anything really as long at it doesn't conflict with the barbarian class description and some degree of common sense.

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Heres the thing. The first and only game I ever played to this day was NWN ever since it came out in 2002 but I have no knowledge whatsoever about DnD or forgotten realms. Today I've decided to make an Air Genasi, and would appreciate any help at all from the players that have lore or advice to share in playing an Air Genasi dwarf correctly. I could use anything really. For example I don't even know if genasi dwarf makes sense. Would he come from wherever the genasi come from or from the dwarven folk? Would it have a dwarven name or some weird genasi'ish name? Where do genasi come from, and do they always feature 'all' of physical air genasi traits like wind-blown hair, pale skin, weird voice, etc?

Edit: I suppose I could google FF but by the time I read on everything there is to know and pick apart the information that concerns my intended character NWN 3 will be out. If someone could atleast explain to me how a dwarf becomes a genasi in a nutshell it would be great. Things like "air genasi are descendants of djinn, sylphs, and other inhabitants of the Elemental Plane" (quoted from google) really confuses the hell out of me atleast. Just that one sentence tells me I gotta read up assloads of crap on "djinn", "sylphs" and "elemental planes" .. omg.

Your first stop should probably be our wiki. http://amiawiki.shatuga.com/index.php/Main_Page

Secondly, considering that we allow genasi as a universal race(rather than it being a human subgroup alone), I suppose it makes just as much sense as anything in the end. However, I personally would think earth and fire genasi would be more likely for dwarves, but by no means should that mean water and air don't exist. I just say earth because with all their underground work, they're bound to come across and mingle with earth creatures somewhere in the lineage and fire because Azer are pretty much dwarves from the Plane of Fire. They're bound to have tried to bump uglies at one point in time or another.

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Do they feature all of the genasi traits? I was always under the impression that they didn't always manifest.

In a nutshell: a dwarf and a genie (or a sylph, apparently?) got together and had a child. You know, together. Their child was a half-djinn. The children of those half-djinn will be dwarves (because dwarves usually only successfully breed with other dwarves, exceptions being Outsiders and dragons...don't ask), but each child *might* turn out to be air genasi. That's how it is for all planetouched, except it's a different ancestor for each variation.

Genasi characters tend to be many generations removed from the original djinn ancestor (every generation = more chances of spawning genasi... although the likelyhood for each individual tends to be smaller the further removed they are from the djinn). Actually, scratch that, I have no idea - I have a pet peeve about being too closely related to your awesome magical ancestor, but logically it doesn't make a difference.

There isn't much of a special genasi culture/upbringing (except for the few genasi who live among their djinn ancestors on the elemental planes, but this doesn't happen often, especially when the bloodline is far-removed). So the character would probably have been raised as a dwarf. It's unlikely that a dwarf and a genie would procreate, but anything can happen, and it only needs to happen once for every child of their children to potentially be an air genasi. Most air genasi in Faerun are humans from Calimsham I believe, because there were powerful djinn rulers there who got very busy and thus there's quite a lot of djinn blood scattered in the veins of those peoples. But there are scatterings of djinn blood all over the Realms, by virtue of there being a lot of people (and a decent number of bored djinni).

Edit: I had a longer post, but it was a bit tl;dr, so I shortened it to answer your most explicit question.

And yes, earth/fire make more sense, but air is workable (and fairly interesting, since air genasi tend towards chaos while dwarves tend towards law).

Well... the nutshell basics: A dwarf doesn't "become" a genasi. Genasi are born, not made. And... knowing all sorts of lore about elementals and outsiders isn't really necessary, neither for you nor for your character (though is would be helpful and, I believe, make the character more interesting, and I'd encourage you to do at least a bit of reading on it). Your character will be perfectly playable and lore-acceptable if all either you or he knows is, "Somewhere a hundred generations ago, one of my ancestors coupled with some sort of Air spirit, and now a small touch of that planar blood has manifested in me." The character would almost definitely have parents who were dwarven (genasi traits don't manifest consistently down through the generations), so it's plausible that he'd come from dwarven lands (genasi themselves don't consistently "come from" any specific place; they are regular folks with a touch of strange blood, not isolated monsters with their own society). He'd have either a dwarven name or something more suggestive of his heritage, whichever you prefer. And no, they don't always display all the traits the book description list, but they do always display some of them. You can pick and choose from among them as you prefer.

Hope that's pleasant and helpful to ya.

Edit: Whoa, double ninja'd!!

Yeah, what they said, too.

Thanks to all of you. Every reply offered a lot of pleasant to read info. I got all I asked for. *runs of to write a background story*

By the way, is it getting to be time for a "Lore Question Thread, Mark II"?

When the PvP advice build advice threads get to be about this long, they get turned over... I think this thread deserves as much respect as more respect than those.

Actually, pondering it further, I think we'd be well served by a whole separate Lore Advice folder, where separate questions could be addressed in separate threads. Stuff does tend to get a little bit lost in this current format.

The Lore Question Thread

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