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People have taken the WYSIWYG principle a bit far lately. It's not like it's some guiding rule to solve all problems, it's just one option to dismiss inconsequential questions easily.

Lore aside, True Seeing has seen through spell polymorphs but not through Druid or Shifter abilities as long as I've played Amia. I'm not sure if it was intended to see through Shifter forms in canon mechanics too - the designers probably didn't think about it - but the weight of the evidence weighs more heavily in the direction of "TS sees through all shapechanges" than "TS doesn't see through shapechanges". The techincal answer might be somewhere in between, but certainly not the option that it doesn't see through Transmutation - the rules clearly state it does.

What drives people to hold Tempus in a better light than Garagos? Both seek war, have honor and don't like peace. Both have CE, CN and CG followers but often have people worried more about my character's deity than his blackguard aura. Wtf? I mean I know Garagos is on the edge of evil, but how do people know that? Did they go to Garagos themselves and say "Sup mang?" and make that conclusion?

How does anyone really know anything about a deity? Perception and the deities acts.
Remember that in FR/DnD the deities have a huge impact on (almost) daily life. Plus there is dogmas and such that reflect the deity's beliefs, and I would think the mental mindset of the followers plays a role in public perception.
Yeah, I'm not explaining it the greatest but that's the gist of what I think haha.

Also, I wasn't aware Garagos cared about honor. But I'm no expert!

Yeah he totally does care about honour, it's in his dogma and stuff.

The reason people dislike Garagos is probably because even though he's CN, he's the sort of dangerous CN you want to keep away from. Mindless slaughter and destruction is his thing, and it's not a great leap for someone to figure how close that is to proper CE. Their followers are pretty much dedicated to causing strife so when one is around you know what's going to happen. Which is why a lot of followers work with at least a modicum of secrecy.

It also probably has to do with Tempus' popularity, due to the War Knights (mostly for their humanitarian efforts, which is pretty odd for a group supposedly dedicated to war, but that's their business). And Tempus seems to at least have a healthy respect for peace.

Me I think Garagos is great. But only because he's partly allied and alike to Selvetarm. Who is even more great.

I know I asked this before but.. what year does Amia take place?

And how fast/slow does time pass compared to our normal time?

thanks!

Apparently 1381, though we have broken off from canon Realms at the end of 1373. Time passes as DMs see fit, I suppose, but you might find a pattern if you compare the timeline to when those events took place. Time for individual PCs may progress at speed of plot, though, and there's no consistent blanket policy.

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I have two curious questions regarding Brownie hiding mechanics in Amia/NWN. RP-wise, the Brownie does not use the shadows to hide from view, they temporarily step back into the feywilds, hopping from one plane to the next. If someone casted light on him, would (rp-wise) he still be able to hide in plain sight again afterwards?

Second is, if it is possible for a Brownie to learn something similar to Shadowjump? Shadowjump allows you to teleport from shadow to shadow. If a brownie can hop between the material plane and Fairie, surely he can jump a distance by moving in the feywilds and reappearing back on Toril?

Opinions and any lore confirmations appreciated. For the sake of any possible requests for my character in future.

Lore-wise? No, light wouldn't effect him. Balance-wise, it would need to, otherwise he has free range to HiPS spam under any and all conditions. That is, unless you could think of something else that should keep him from making the transition. Something readily obvious and available too, because it's public knowledge what stops an SD from hiding, but not what keeps a fey midget from thinking with portals, so to speak.

"Jumping" using the Feywild should be possible. I hate to reference 4e for anything, but Eladrin have an ability where they do much the same thing, jump into Feywild and travel there to reappear somewhere else on the Prime. In any case, Shadow Dancers do the same thing using the Shadow Plane. That's the actual physics of Shadow Jump, you cross into the Shadow Plane and reappear somewhere else.

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe there's some homebrew variant of SD you can request. Both the Shadow Plane and Feywild are "echoes" of the Prime, so their mechanics may work a lot in the same way. And for what would keep you from jumping, maybe shadows and Dark spells would work, sort of like a reversed mirror image of SD.

dimension_w wrote:

I have two curious questions regarding Brownie hiding mechanics in Amia/NWN. RP-wise, the Brownie does not use the shadows to hide from view, they temporarily step back into the feywilds, hopping from one plane to the next. If someone casted light on him, would (rp-wise) he still be able to hide in plain sight again afterwards?

Second is, if it is possible for a Brownie to learn something similar to Shadowjump? Shadowjump allows you to teleport from shadow to shadow. If a brownie can hop between the material plane and Fairie, surely he can jump a distance by moving in the feywilds and reappearing back on Toril?

Opinions and any lore confirmations appreciated. For the sake of any possible requests for my character in future.

No it is not possible to use stepping into the feywilds in a similar fashion as shadowjumping.
This, based on this Article and the description of the plane of Fearie (which I assume is the same).

What is the difference then?
The shadowplane is a transitive plane (just as the ethereal and the astral plane are), those planes often used for travel. In the case of the plane of shadow this is possible because distance on this plane is not similar to the material prime plane. If you make a portal to a location on the shadowplane and then walk a mile in this plane and recreate a portal to the prime material plane, this portal will be many miles away from the first portal. This principle is used by shadowdancers. They walk the shadow plane for a few steps and end up meters away in the material plane.

The Feywilds however are a parallel plane to the prime material. This means that the landscape itself is a copy of the material plane. A mountain one the one plane will be a mountain on the other even though the foliage and the creatures found might change. If you make a portal to the feywild and walk a mile to make a new portal back, then this new portal will be the exact same mile in distance from the first.
(On a side note the fearie plane has no existing bond with the transitive planes so shadowjumping there should be impossible)

On the first account, the light should make little problem, granted of course that the DM team concur.

Edit: Are the Feywilds not 4th edition and plane of fearie the 3.5 variant?

Dergaii wrote:

No it is not possible to use stepping into the feywilds in a similar fashion as shadowjumping.
This, based on this Article and the description of the plane of Fearie (which I assume is the same).

The Feywilds however are a parallel plane to the prime material. This means that the landscape itself is a copy of the material plane. A mountain one the one plane will be a mountain on the other even though the foliage and the creatures found might change. If you make a portal to the feywild and walk a mile to make a new portal back, then this new portal will be the exact same mile in distance from the first.

So to summarise, Thimble technically couldn't "jump" from one place to another, because, as he stepped into Faerie, he'd be in the same spot and if say, for example, he wanted to cross a chasm, that chasm would be in Faerie too? Thanks for the confirmation. *ticks off a shadowjump feat for future requests*

(Unless, of course Dark Immolation was onto something when he mentioned the Eladrin? What power was that he was reffering to?)

Thanks for the info if ever I have anymore fey related questions, I'll be sure to ask. So much research went into Thimble and yet theres still so much more to learn.

dimension_w wrote:

So to summarise, Thimble technically couldn't "jump" from one place to another, because, as he stepped into Faerie, he'd be in the same spot and if say, for example, he wanted to cross a chasm, that chasm would be in Faerie too? .

Yup that is how I understood it.

dimension_w wrote:

I have two curious questions regarding Brownie hiding mechanics in Amia/NWN. RP-wise, the Brownie does not use the shadows to hide from view, they temporarily step back into the feywilds, hopping from one plane to the next. If someone casted light on him, would (rp-wise) he still be able to hide in plain sight again afterwards?

Second is, if it is possible for a Brownie to learn something similar to Shadowjump? Shadowjump allows you to teleport from shadow to shadow. If a brownie can hop between the material plane and Fairie, surely he can jump a distance by moving in the feywilds and reappearing back on Toril?

Opinions and any lore confirmations appreciated. For the sake of any possible requests for my character in future.

If you have SD, you are a Shadowdancer. You don't have an approved request to "Feywaalk" or whatever.

#2: No. No teleports.

Aaaaany good Lorebook that details the Weaponmaster in more depth?

complete warrior... exotic weapon master page 30... not much fluff though

Found em. And no, There was like zero fluff...

if you dont mind going back an edition... check swords and fists 3.0 but its pretty much the same.. just goes over the numbers and gives no fluff as well

There's really not much fluff about Weapon Masters, honestly. They're in the same category as Shadowdancers, Harper Scouts and etc, in that they've never really been elaborated on.

sounds like a perfect opportunity to make your own fluff for it... within reason

Blabla KI, BlaBla Steel and Sweat, Blabla more KI.

Yeah, Shouldn't be to difficult

Ever see the cheese 80s swords and sorcery movie Red Sonja? Thats how I would play a weapon master.

If you look at the 3.0 book Oriental Adventures you'll find the Weapon Master class. But there's only like a paragraph worth of fluff. I'm not sure if that's the only entry in 3.0 for Weapon Masters - they're probably in one of the other monk/fighter/etc sourcebooks for 3.0.

Okay, so I was thinking of playing a feytouched and was trying to find a fey ancestry I liked.

Can a Satyr never be a feytouched? The more I look into satyrs, the more it sounds like their offsprings are always male and always full-blooded satyrs that get taken back to... Satyrdom at birth.

Just want to say thanks for that Lore sub forum already >>

serbiris wrote:

If you look at the 3.0 book Oriental Adventures you'll find the Weapon Master class. But there's only like a paragraph worth of fluff. I'm not sure if that's the only entry in 3.0 for Weapon Masters - they're probably in one of the other monk/fighter/etc sourcebooks for 3.0.

Wow, its been so long since I looked into an Oriental Adventure's. My favorite book back in the day, well, second only to Manual of the Planes....but I digress

Did you try looking for any references in Dragon magazine? Or maybe Dungeon Magazine? I'm sure you can find stuff online for those two. Much of it is add-hoc and a bit 'out there', but you might find something useful, and relative.

I might be reaching a bit, don't know exactly what specific info you're after, but ..I think...in the same Oriental Adventurers is a class....PrC? called Kensai? Or something to that effect.

Might that you'll find some extra 'fluff'? *shrug* There's my 2 cents. Leave the change on the desk >.>

cheers.

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