* Removed old Salandran crafting stuff

hell, i'd vote to have heal pots removed from shops

Shall we petition to have heal pots taken off the shops? As it stands making is a heal pot is way more work than 3000 coins worth.

hell, i'd vote to have heal pots removed from shops

Supported.

Supported!

I might be feeling really snarky right now, but to me, saying remove healing pots from stores is tantamount to also saying such things as:

1. All epic spawns should possess A mob that casts greater dispelling in it, because people shouldn't be using buff potions and should take along a level 26+ CLVL Wizard/Bard/Sorc and Cleric everywhere they go with epic monsters.

2. Also GMW should be rebalanced so only clvl 28+ casters should be able to cast GMW+5.

3. During the daytime hours stealthers should be given a -75 point stealth penalty, when not inside or in Shadowscape.

4. All healkits should have a 'Not usable in combat' check.

5. All melee monsters past level 21 should have dev crit.

6. All caster monsters passt level 18 should spam Finger of Death and Wail or IGMS/Icestorm spam you.

7. All caster Bosses should cast CLVL41 mords disjunction as their lead spell, then timestop/igms spam you to death.

Healing potions, are important for several classes. Just because you aren't one of them or built/geared in such a way you do not need them, does not remove the fact some builds -do- and will. Looking at it from a Fight/WM/Tumble dump class point of view.

Without those, in epic areas, those classes are -worthless-, they just fall over and die, horribly. It'd be naut but a huge hassle..

Shadowdancers and mages really want Heals rare because it'd make them even better at PvP than they already are; tanks, especially facetanks, really want them common because they're screwed without them.

Nothing wrong with bias, as long as you declare it up front. For the record I'd gain more than lose if Heals were rare. A couple of my characters would become de facto unplayable, but I've got a dozen others, some of whom only drink Heals because I'm rich and lazy: they're low enough on HP and incoming flak that kits would be fine, especially since they don't break stealth. The ones I PvP in a lot would gain mucho grande.

. A couple of my characters would become de facto unplayable.

*shakes fist at Maryn* Damn you! That's a good point. A wait & see approach is better.

Without drastically improving the the other end-products and from other jobs, taking any other profession through the Job-System other than those used in making those things would be drastically underrated.

buy things from other players.

Still the whole relaying on pcs to keep the price to a affordable price I really do not trust...

In all honesty when I started this thread I hadn't even thought of removing heals from shops. *shrugs* I was just being a smartass with a 'in your face!' type of thread. It was meant to be in jest.

If Herbalist can make heal potions, doesn't that exactly do the thing you didn't want jobs to do, give the player an edge? I'd say either make it costly enough to do that you only save 100 GP or so compared to store-buying them, or increase the usefulness of other jobs. Removing it from the stores will only empower the Herbalist even more.

I -do- know there was a vendor which would sell the heal pots for 1,500g each instead of the 2.5kish minimum average high appraise would get. Not sure if that is still in, but it -should- be normalized, if they are in.

"The age of the heal pots has fallen, the time of the clerics is about to begin."

Same deal as the heal pots though. People will moan when the clerics run out of raises and start whinging for the scrolls back.

Like I'd waste a spell slot on something dead.

I'm certainly in favor of removing the Fountains of Purification though.

I'm certainly in favor of removing the Fountains of Purification though.

My thought exactly however there's no good spells to replace the level 7 spell slots and with that kind of attitude people won't raise you either. It's simply a matter of curtesy.

I didn't want to keep two herbalist things running parallel, and I didn't just want to ditch the original system either. So, I integrated the old system in the new one. Blame the original system for producing heal pots, I am not going to change 99 jobs because one doesn't fit the plan.

If Herbalist can make heal potions, doesn't that exactly do the thing you didn't want jobs to do, give the player an edge? I'd say either make it costly enough to do that you only save 100 GP or so compared to store-buying them, or increase the usefulness of other jobs. Removing it from the stores will only empower the Herbalist even more.

Well, considering the job system was NEVER meant to provide any advantage to combat, I'd be more inclinded to vote to have heals removed from the herbalists list of craftable items.

As it stands, I'm more for never having them removed from stores. As it would nerf the job system massively, and everyone would simply master in Herbalist.