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Author:  alamut [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 3:51 AM ]
Post subject:  Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
As the tittle of the thread says, is that possible ? I mean, of course I would have to ask for player's permission on that, but that kind of spell would be possible for Blackguards as it is to paladins ?
Author:  Dark Immolation [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 4:03 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
IIRC, BG's get Detect Good, not Detect Alignment in PnP.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/blackguard.htm
Author:  762 [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 4:11 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
Detect Good as a spell like ability, at BG1.

As for how that works on Amia, you need OOC permission just like Detect Evil.
Author:  HellScourge [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 6:52 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
Or just smack them with smite good to see if it triggers.
Author:  hendrack [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 7:07 AM ]
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You should have researched and asked that before your foggy DC request.
Author:  Wolfking6116 [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 8:11 AM ]
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Was that comment really needed? Really?
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 8:40 AM ]
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Grgrmlb...
Hendrack, That was out of line.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 9:02 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
It was in line and entirely correct. He should have researched it first.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 9:08 AM ]
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Some of us don't know the entire spell repertoire, By hand, nor the limits of PnP Magic. Tacking down upon them, In a negative way, Doesn't promote new efforts from the player.

It condescending.

On Topic
Hellscourge pretty much nailed it. You're an evil sod, Test your metal against the foe and see if it hurts.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 9:11 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
Ah, but when you make a DC request, you should look into these things.
Author:  hendrack [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 9:26 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
HellScourge wrote:
Or just smack them with smite good to see if it triggers.


Paladins get a Fall for that, and BGs can use this as freebie? *muttergrumble*
Author:  TormakSaber [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 9:28 AM ]
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Perks of being evil. Bane probably doesn't care of you smite some dolt and he ends up being non good, but Torm sure does if they're not evil.
Author:  hendrack [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 9:34 AM ]
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In 2 years I'll make a BG of Set then.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 19:31 PM ]
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Sebek! Croco-stylin'!
Author:  MoshingChris [ Sun, Oct 10 2010, 19:59 PM ]
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Wolfking6116 wrote:
Was that comment really needed? Really?


Yes and it could also use its own thread, because, out of interest I keep track of the requests forum and player laxity is one of the things that slows the request process up exponentially.
Author:  HellScourge [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 13:49 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
hendrack wrote:
HellScourge wrote:
Or just smack them with smite good to see if it triggers.


Paladins get a Fall for that, and BGs can use this as freebie? *muttergrumble*


Well, unlike certain 'Stick in the bum and doing all good things' chums are Blackguards evil and can get away by randomly smacking people :twisted:

In fact I am quite certain some Gods/Devils/Demons would happily approve of that!

Especially when its a Paladin you smack.

*SMACK*
Paladin: OUCH!
Blackguard: Alright, he is a good guy. He can come with us.
Paladin: That was uncalled for!
BG: Cry me a river Choir Boy. Now lets go and slay creatures.
Paladin: Grumble.
Author:  Goblin [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 14:33 PM ]
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NPCs can detect alignment without my consent.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 15:05 PM ]
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Goblin wrote:
NPCs can detect alignment without my consent.


We're speaking of PC blackguards.
Author:  Goblin [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 15:24 PM ]
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As they say, whats good for the goose...

If an NPC can do it then why can't a PC with the 'training' to back it up? Paladins, Blackguards?
Author:  DustSpray101 [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 15:45 PM ]
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A wizard did it. That is the commonly accepted reason for why two people trained the same way don't have the exact same abilities as the other.
Author:  Dark Immolation [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 16:17 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
HellScourge wrote:
Especially when its a Paladin you smack.

*SMACK*
Paladin: OUCH!
Blackguard: Alright, he is a good guy. He can come with us.
Paladin: That was uncalled for!
BG: Cry me a river Choir Boy. Now lets go and slay creatures.
Paladin: Grumble.


1. Why would a BG say a paladin can come with him? What, if he was evil, you would turn him away? >_>

2. What the hell type of pussy paladin gets Smite Good'ed and then just grumbles about it? [removed] monsters, I'm about to have a BG shish kabob roasted over holy fire.
Author:  DustSpray101 [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 16:24 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
BGs are known to try to fell paladins. Likewise, paladins are know to attempt to save BGs. What reason is there for them to fight eachother with swords all the time when they can use their ungodly charisma to try to win another person over?
Author:  alamut [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 18:42 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
I thank you all for the comments. They were all useful. I also thank you, Dark Immolation, for that link: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/blackguard.htm Next time, I'll conduce a proper research before doing a request. Thank you all.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 18:45 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
Goblin wrote:
NPCs can detect alignment without my consent.


We're the DM. We're allowed to do that.
Author:  BrainSplitter [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 20:49 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
During plots, a player could typically say "Detect Evil" on any player, and ask the DM if he could do it, and depending on the DM and situation - the DM may give an answer. DMs / Plots overrule the 'PnP Permission' rule. Must be DMside, of course.
Author:  corypx [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 21:13 PM ]
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TormakSaber wrote:
Goblin wrote:
NPCs can detect alignment without my consent.


We're the DM. We're allowed to do that.


damn Horus-Re giving me dirty looks....
Author:  Naivatkal [ Mon, Oct 11 2010, 23:58 PM ]
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TormakSaber wrote:
Goblin wrote:
NPCs can detect alignment without my consent.


We're the DM. We're allowed to do that.


This. Win.

Hand of G.O.D. (Game Operational Director) at it's finest =D
Author:  Dark Immolation [ Tue, Oct 12 2010, 0:13 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Can a Blackguard actually detect alignment ?
DustSpray101 wrote:
BGs are known to try to fell paladins. Likewise, paladins are know to attempt to save BGs. What reason is there for them to fight eachother with swords all the time when they can use their ungodly charisma to try to win another person over?


Touche.

I still say though, since Smite Good still requires a full-force physical attack, and the paladin would certainly feel he's been slammed by evil power, that there is precious little room for words after that instance. And the words said then are likely "REPENT OR PERISH!".
Author:  Lesquille [ Tue, Oct 12 2010, 2:29 AM ]
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DustSpray101 wrote:
BGs are known to try to fell paladins. Likewise, paladins are know to attempt to save BGs. What reason is there for them to fight eachother with swords all the time when they can use their ungodly charisma to try to win another person over?


A couple of players need to make a paladin and blackguard who are always trying to turn the other towards good/evil. And play this whenever they're on.
Author:  Dark Immolation [ Tue, Oct 12 2010, 3:19 AM ]
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Is this before or after they both fall and get smote to Neutral? >_>

Jk. A longstanding rivalry between my LG PC and a LE character is something I've always hoped for, but alas they always seem to end fisticuffs.
Author:  762 [ Tue, Oct 12 2010, 3:45 AM ]
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Tell me about it.
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