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Akhlys

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 20:57 PM

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Joined: 17 Feb 2015

Is there a reason why the shade lord has a bunch of wizard levels but only 10 intelligence? Is there any possibility of it being updated?

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Rigela

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 20:59 PM

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Joined: 16 Sep 2010
Location: Grimy Old England

I imagine to keep it's AB and number of attacks down.

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Raua

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 21:01 PM

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Joined: 09 Jul 2014
Location: The Land of >9000 Lakes (GMT -6)

It's due to balance concerns regarding it's ability drain attack. The wizard levels were a placeholder for a 1/2 BAB class, the 10 Int is so that it cannot utilize spells. Only 2 attacks were permissible due to how quickly it could otherwise drain an enemy. The Epic Shade lord is different, but that requires a different amount of investment. :wink:

Edit: Dangit Rigs, you ninja'd me! :evil:

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Akhlys

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 21:11 PM

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I meant the Epic Shade Lord. It's bizarre that it is wizard rather than undead for the 1/2 bab.

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LunarBloom

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 21:14 PM

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Joined: 05 Jan 2015

The epic shade lord is an outsider, not an undead. That could be why.

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Naivatkal

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 21:15 PM

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Joined: 26 May 2010

The [Epic] Shade Lord isn't undead, so why would we make it so?

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Raua

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 21:15 PM

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Joined: 09 Jul 2014
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Canonically the shades that our Shadowdancers summon aren't undead. So It was likely done to prevent confusion with a misnomer!

EDIT: I keep getting ninja'd... O.o

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Naivatkal

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 22:25 PM

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Joined: 26 May 2010

:>

I think he's talking about the Shadowdancer summon, though. I thought they ones from arcane casting were undead (but I could be wrong!).

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LunarBloom

Posted: Sat, Aug 22 2015, 22:36 PM

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The Shadow Conjuration, Greater Shadow Conjuration and Shades summons are undead, indeed.

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