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considering you can buy 0 acf half plate and chain shirts and dc request 0 acf full plate or buy it from other players (they appear for auction sometimes), i don't really see a need to add it to mythals.

just go use the channels available to you and get some that way.

Commie wrote:

Can't DC request a -40% Heavy Plate ASF (Or 0 ASF, considering -45% is Heavy Plate's current ASF)

Already spoke to a DM about it. Just isn't likely. To OP.

Show me one Auction that has a -45 ASF Heavy Armor and I'll go buy it right now.

I asked a DM already /can/ I request it, and I believe their response was "no, it's too powerful. Only on Half-Plate."

ASF full plate is too powerful. Its existence alone spits in the face of 1 preepic and 3 epic feats.

Maverick00053 wrote:

ASF full plate is too powerful. Its existence alone spits in the face of 1 preepic and 3 epic feats.

are we gonna cull it or is this the way of the future

will the old-money bourgeoisie continue to stamp on the dreams of the proletariat

oh lets not forget that some amia class abilities have arcane spell failure.

for example assassin spells have arcane spell failure, meaning in lieu of 0 acf spell failure plate, being a strength assassin is super frustrating.

LibrisMortis_666 wrote:

lol all armor caps at the same AC why is full plate too powerful

'oh man i don't have to cast cats grace to get that sweet 2 ac i just have it'

Author:	Xaviera [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 4:02 AM ]
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Is there any chance that reduction of ASF for armour could be added to the mythal crafting system? Perhaps 5% per mythal rank (nonstackable, of course), increasing a bit at higher levels to cover things like full plate? -5% Minor -10% Lesser -15% Intermediate -20% Greater -30% Flawless -40% Perfect -45% Divine I understand that memorizing stilled spells takes care of ASF, but it would be nice.

Author:	LibrisMortis_666 [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 4:25 AM ]
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That would be way to powerful, tbh. Not only does that defeat the purpose of the Feats "Still Spell", "Automatic Still Spell I / II / III" but defeats the multiple items IG that have (-) ASF. It is simply something that should never be placed in the Mythal System. It isn't that difficult to locate Flawless Mythals for the listed, (-)30 or is it not-difficult to obtain a Perfect Mythal for (-) 40% ASF. Considering there is a Quest In game in Brog that gets one upon completing the quest. While I agree it would be neat to have. It would offer to much for Spellcasters. Tenser Transformation already turns Arcanist into War Machines. (Literally in the description, a war engine.) Majority of the Spellcasters has a (-XASF%) on a Large Shield. Adding in a new system would give them Tower Shields. Speaking from a player with a Spellcaster. My character already has 80 AC (Fully Buffed) with a Large Shield and Heavy Plate armor. Giving a Tower Shield would just give more power towards any Spellcaster. This isn't just another player trying to shut down an idea.

Author:	Commie [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 4:56 AM ]
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considering you can buy 0 acf half plate and chain shirts and dc request 0 acf full plate or buy it from other players (they appear for auction sometimes), i don't really see a need to add it to mythals. just go use the channels available to you and get some that way.

Author:	LibrisMortis_666 [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 5:03 AM ]
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Commie wrote: considering you can buy 0 acf half plate and chain shirts and dc request 0 acf full plate or buy it from other players (they appear for auction sometimes), i don't really see a need to add it to mythals. just go use the channels available to you and get some that way. Can't DC request a -40% Heavy Plate ASF (Or 0 ASF, considering -45% is Heavy Plate's current ASF) Already spoke to a DM about it. Just isn't likely. To OP.

Author:	Commie [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 5:38 AM ]
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LibrisMortis_666 wrote: Commie wrote: considering you can buy 0 acf half plate and chain shirts and dc request 0 acf full plate or buy it from other players (they appear for auction sometimes), i don't really see a need to add it to mythals. just go use the channels available to you and get some that way. Can't DC request a -40% Heavy Plate ASF (Or 0 ASF, considering -45% is Heavy Plate's current ASF) Already spoke to a DM about it. Just isn't likely. To OP. but it's in the game and people sell them on the auction block is something like that really just so exclusive it can't even be requested?

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Author:	Suhjet [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 6:09 AM ]
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LibrisMortis_666 wrote: Show me one Auction that has a -45 ASF Heavy Armor and I'll go buy it right now. I asked a DM already /can/ I request it, and I believe their response was "no, it's too powerful. Only on Half-Plate." Go buy it, then

Author:	Commie [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 8:03 AM ]
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LibrisMortis_666 wrote: Show me one Auction that has a -45 ASF Heavy Armor and I'll go buy it right now. I asked a DM already /can/ I request it, and I believe their response was "no, it's too powerful. Only on Half-Plate." lol all armor caps at the same AC why is full plate too powerful 'oh man i don't have to cast cats grace to get that sweet 2 ac i just have it'

Author:	Maverick00053 [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 13:26 PM ]
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ASF full plate is too powerful. Its existence alone spits in the face of 1 preepic and 3 epic feats.

Author:	#StraightOutaAvernus [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 16:07 PM ]
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Given all armor 'does' cap at the same AC is there really a tragedy to be had in requesting half plate, doe. >Equips freedom belt >Casts Cat's Grace c'mon.

Author:	Commie [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 16:44 PM ]
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Maverick00053 wrote: ASF full plate is too powerful. Its existence alone spits in the face of 1 preepic and 3 epic feats. are we gonna cull it or is this the way of the future will the old-money bourgeoisie continue to stamp on the dreams of the proletariat

Author:	Commie [ Wed, Jun 29 2016, 17:25 PM ]
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oh lets not forget that some amia class abilities have arcane spell failure. for example assassin spells have arcane spell failure, meaning in lieu of 0 acf spell failure plate, being a strength assassin is super frustrating.

Author:	TormakSaber [ Thu, Jun 30 2016, 1:15 AM ]
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Commie wrote: Maverick00053 wrote: ASF full plate is too powerful. Its existence alone spits in the face of 1 preepic and 3 epic feats. are we gonna cull it or is this the way of the future will the old-money bourgeoisie continue to stamp on the dreams of the proletariat This is an event item that was handed out at one point as evidenced by the Material and Quality properties which exist on no equivalent item in stores or in the lootbin. Stop being facetious in every topic. This is your last warning. If you're not constructive with forum posts, you're eating a forum ban. Quote: oh lets not forget that some amia class abilities have arcane spell failure. for example assassin spells have arcane spell failure, meaning in lieu of 0 acf spell failure plate, being a strength assassin is super frustrating. Assassin spells are arcane in nature so they suffer from arcane spell failure. So this is like complaining that being a strength wizard is super frustrating. Welcome to the class. Work around it.

Author:	bobofwestoregonusa [ Fri, Jul 01 2016, 19:03 PM ]
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So, it's worth mentioning that balance wise: the chain shirt issue keeps sorcerers from dumping dex completely and just going cha22/con20 because they can wear plate. It might bit seem like much, but CON is always amazing and being a caster with 480 hp well require you to dump dex on gear most of the time. Giving it to them as plate means there's no incentive to choose between ac or con. You can just proudly proclaim "porque no las dos!?" and be an unstoppable casternaught with 39 fort, 30+ reflex, and caster will saves, 60+ ac and 480 hp I'm not saying said caster is invulnerable, but you take away some of the only weaknesses of bring a glass canon when you reinforce then with cement and rebar. At first glance the mythal idea is neat but I'm kinda iffy about it for my above listed reason

Author:	DukeDublin [ Sat, Jul 23 2016, 2:04 AM ]
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The Bard shop sells plenty of -ASF gear, staying out of the heavy category. Winya has some rather potent chain. Shields are found in the higher loot tables, only ever seen a medium shield with the -ASF myself. The gear is out there, and plenty of it is past Mythal limits already. Padded Leather admittedly gets the shaft, stuck in low level tables without upgrade (level 7), a gold value too high to be equipped before +1 cloths of better quality enter your equip capacity (level 1).

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Author:	ZoltanTheRed [ Sat, Jul 23 2016, 6:21 AM ]
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Commie wrote: LibrisMortis_666 wrote: Show me one Auction that has a -45 ASF Heavy Armor and I'll go buy it right now. I asked a DM already /can/ I request it, and I believe their response was "no, it's too powerful. Only on Half-Plate." lol all armor caps at the same AC why is full plate too powerful 'oh man i don't have to cast cats grace to get that sweet 2 ac i just have it' You said it before me on this one, man. It's really just aesthetics with what is available at the moment.

Author:	Commie [ Sat, Jul 23 2016, 6:38 AM ]
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and it's already out there.

Author:	Xenos [ Sun, Jul 24 2016, 20:59 PM ]
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It seems fair enough that a home made mythal full plate is a no, the 8+1 is easier to min max then some med armor with 4+5. Is that only a maxed cats grace away from the same thing? Sure, but you have to make that gesture, and you cant just go 8 dex on the build. Now it does not seem to bad to allow X amounts of ASF though. If for example, ASF: 0 Full Plate used up 4 Mythal Slots, it's not so bad. A lesser ASF value could be added as well, so people could pimp out some chain with 0 ASF, and it only costs 1 or 2 slots. Or perhaps even the option to use said lesser ASF on the Full Plate to reduce the %, but not remove it. So instead of a 45% chance to fail, you can have a 20% chance to fail at 1 slot.

Author:	TormakSaber [ Mon, Jul 25 2016, 0:22 AM ]
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No one will wear armor with even 5% failure chance - 5% is still too high. Spells fialing in high intensity situations simply can't happen.