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Ulir
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Vortex wrote: Naivatkal & Svensk, thanks for the info. Very helpful. Looks like I'm in the ballpark.
While working on this spellsword build, I was looking over the Spells sidebar and noticed the following for Greater Sanctuary:
"While under Greater Sanctuary, the caster receives 100% spell failure, CL*5 Temporary Hit Points and 90% Movement Speed Increase. The duration has been changed to CL/6 Rounds. "
Can that duration be right? That would only give 5 rounds for a pure-build lvl 30 Wiz. I don't think its written as it's supposed to. I believe it is 10 rounds + CL/6 rounds. It has always been like that. Only having 5 rounds as a level 30 is too much of a nerf. _________________ 
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Ulir
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Posted: Sat, Jan 14 2012, 2:06 AM |
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Vortex wrote: I've come up with a spellsword build that has 57 AC and 41 AB.
Are those adequate stats? The AC seems decent; I'm wondering about the AB, will it hit often enough to do much damage, I'm thinking about PvM here.
I have no idea what the epic levels are like. Is that without Tenser's?  But yeah, it's enough for PvM, although bosses might be a bit hard to hit (Dominagus especially *cough*). _________________
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Blackdragon12121
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Posted: Sat, Jan 14 2012, 12:29 PM |
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Ulir wrote: Vortex wrote: I've come up with a spellsword build that has 57 AC and 41 AB.
Are those adequate stats? The AC seems decent; I'm wondering about the AB, will it hit often enough to do much damage, I'm thinking about PvM here.
I have no idea what the epic levels are like. Is that without Tenser's? But yeah, it's enough for PvM, although bosses might be a bit hard to hit (Dominagus especially *cough*). Heh you don't need to hit Dominagus. Cast prem and mestils and watch him wail on himself. It's most amusing.
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Vortex
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Posted: Sun, Jan 15 2012, 16:21 PM |
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@Ulir: The 41 AB is with Tensors. Thanks for the info about Greater Sancturay. 10 +6/CL rounds is still short, but at least it's something to work with.
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Cratz
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 2:56 AM |
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I'm looking for a good Rogue / SD build. I've got a basic idea, but it's not as good as I'd like. And thus, I ask for help.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 2:59 AM |
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You should post the basic idea then.
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Cratz
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 3:04 AM |
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Geh, meant to say Monk / SD. Anyways:
Base Stats:
STR: 10
DEX: 20 -> 30
CON: 10
WIS: 14
INT: 10
CHA: 8
Feats:
4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28 -> +1 DEX
Level 1: Monk, Dodge
Level 2: Monk,
Level 3: Monk, Mobility
Level 4: Monk,
Level 5: Monk,
Level 6: Monk, Weapon Finesse
Level 7: Monk,
Level 8: Monk,
Level 9: Monk, Circle Kick
Level 10: Monk,
Level 11: Monk,
Level 12: Monk, Stealthy
Level 13: Monk,
Level 14: SD,
Level 15: SD, SF:Tumble
Level 16: SD,
Level 17: SD,
Level 18: SD, SF: Hide
Level 19: SD,
Level 20: SD,
Level 21: SD, ESF: Hide
Level 22: SD,
Level 23: SD,
Level 24: SD, ESF: Tumble
Level 25: SD,
Level 26: SD, Epic Shadowlord
Level 27: SD, Epic Dodge
Level 28: SD,
Level 29: SD, Blinding Speed
Level 30: SD, Toughness
I'm not sure whether to keep Blinding speed or replace it with Epic Prowess. Toughness is also a maybe. Going Unarmed, maybe with a Handaxe or Kama.
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O'Raghailligh
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 6:22 AM |
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Take Weapon Finesse as early as possible.
Trade the Skill Focuses in Tumble for Move Silently.
Ditch Blinding Speed, haste potions are better.
If you're going unarmed then take at least 16 levels of Monk for d20 fist damage.
Circle Kick is not very good, trade it for something else (Weapon Focus perhaps).
20 Monk / 10 Shadowdancer is pretty good.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 6:38 AM |
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Assuming you want a lot of SD levels for RP:
20 Monk/10 SD (elf?)
Base Stats:
STR: 11
DEX: 19 -> 26
CON: 10
WIS: 14
INT: 12
CHA: 8
Feats:
Level 1: Monk, Dodge
Level 2: Monk,
Level 3: Monk, Weapon Finesse
Level 4: Monk,
Level 5: Monk,
Level 6: Monk, Weapon Focus: Unarmed
Level 7: Monk,
Level 8: Monk,
Level 9: Monk, Mobility
Level 10: Monk,
Level 11: Monk,
Level 12: Monk, Improved Critical: Unarmed
Level 13: Monk,
Level 14: Monk,
Level 15: Monk, Great Fortitude
Level 16: Monk,
Level 17: SD,
Level 18: SD, Blind-Fight
Level 19: SD,
Level 20: SD,
Level 21: SD, Armor Skin
Level 22: SD,
Level 23: SD,
Level 24: SD, Epic Weapon Focus: Unarmed
Level 25: SD,
Level 26: Monk,
Level 27: Monk, Epic Dodge
Level 28: Monk,
Level 29: Monk,
Level 30: SD, Epic Skill Focus: Hide/Spot (choose one depending on preference)
Use last level of SD to max out Spot and sneaking skills. 32 Discipline, 33 Hide/MS/Spot, 30 Tumble, rest wherever.
enjoy never getting hit, annoying monster and PC alike with monk speed + HiPS, etc etc
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 10:50 AM |
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O'Raghailligh wrote: Take Weapon Finesse as early as possible.
Trade the Skill Focuses in Tumble for Move Silently.
Ditch Blinding Speed, haste potions are better.
If you're going unarmed then take at least 16 levels of Monk for d20 fist damage.
Circle Kick is not very good, trade it for something else (Weapon Focus perhaps).
20 Monk / 10 Shadowdancer is pretty good. I dont agree. Cirkle kick is not good - its worse than that. Its broken and the worst feat you can get next to dirty fighting.
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Tomato Sword
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 11:08 AM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: O'Raghailligh wrote: Take Weapon Finesse as early as possible.
Trade the Skill Focuses in Tumble for Move Silently.
Ditch Blinding Speed, haste potions are better.
If you're going unarmed then take at least 16 levels of Monk for d20 fist damage.
Circle Kick is not very good, trade it for something else (Weapon Focus perhaps).
20 Monk / 10 Shadowdancer is pretty good. I dont agree. Cirkle kick is not good - its worse than that. Its broken and the worst feat you can get next to dirty fighting. I concur. Circle kick is the worst idea... Yes, it's nice to get that extra attack on paper but on practice it's just yucky. Sometimes it circle kicks something that's out of your range, like cleave, where you stop attacking. Which is a nightmare fighting enemies that can sneak you or if you're dex based since it'll flat foot you and make you lose crap ton of AC before Uncanny Dodge. There's also a targeting problem. You're trying to focus on taking down one enemy at a time. You get one enemy to Near Death and instead of killing that enemy, you circle kick, and they end up focusing on another enemy with full health.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 14:39 PM |
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Circle kick is the best feat in the game. All my monks have it. I also wear +5 Nymph cloaks on them, because they need to look pretty.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 14:48 PM |
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All right, who let the Opus-troll out? God, I swear, whoever was on watch is getting thirty lashings....
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 15:15 PM |
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It was Sune who forgot to lock the cell because he was busy playing cards with Mosh. I, however, have nothing to do with the entire ordeal.
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Cratz
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Posted: Thu, Jan 19 2012, 21:43 PM |
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Awesome. Thanks a lot Sune!
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Vortex
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 2:08 AM |
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So I'm looking over the Druid class, and can't figure out how to decent AC and AB. With the builds I've tried, neither get very high, so I need help.
This is the best I've come up with so far:
Druid 25 Fighter 4 Rogue 1
14 Str -> 13
13 Dex
9 Con -> 10
17 Wis -> 18 + 8 = 26
13 Int -> 12
8 Cha
@ lvl 20: Druid 16 Fighter 4
Feats: Luck of Heroes, Blind Fight, Zen Archery, Called Shot, Empower Spell, Spell Focus: Evoc, Greater Spell Focus: Evoc, Weapon Focus: longbow, Impv'd Crit, Dodge, Mobility
Epic feats: Epic Spell Focus: Evoc, EWF, EMD, Great Wis, Armor Skin
AC: 44 (48 w/ Haste)
AB: 39 (41 w/ Bless and Aid)
I'd really like to figure out how to build a decent Druid, since I really dig the class. Help.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 3:01 AM |
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Dodge and Mobility are wasted feats.
You should be taking Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot there.
Anyways your chaps AB =
16 Pre-Epic BAB
5 Epic BAB
5 AB from BoT GMW
14 Modifier with Wisdom Buffed out
4 Weapon focus/Epic Weapon Focus
+2 Aid/Bless
Total being: 46.
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ZoltanTheRed
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 4:44 AM |
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Been musing over the idea of a barbarian/Blackguard of some sort but I wonder..how possible is this?
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Vortex
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 5:19 AM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Dodge and Mobility are wasted feats.
You should be taking Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot there.
Anyways your chaps AB...
Total being: 46. I thought WF and EWF added up to +3. But if you deduct -4 AB for Called Shot, that brings it down to 42. Is that good enough? I was taking Dodge/Mobility to avoid all the AoO's he'll be facing using a longbow. I read there are items available that give Point Blank and Rapid Shot, so I was relying on finding/buying one of those. I didn't read about any items that give Mobility, so I figured it made more sense to go the route I did...??
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O'Raghailligh
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 7:07 AM |
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Dodge and Mobility are a waste because with the Rogue level that you are getting 30 Tumble with, Attacks of Opportunity are not an issue since the DC is only 15. See: Tumble
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Selmak
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 8:52 AM |
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Tumble checks only help you avoid AoO from movement. They won't help if you're getting AoO due to firing a ranged weapon into melee.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 8:54 AM |
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You shouldn't base your build around feats on items.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 10:31 AM |
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Barb/blackguard/KC
the auras! So many auras!
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 13:56 PM |
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Caldera3 wrote: Been musing over the idea of a barbarian/Blackguard of some sort but I wonder..how possible is this? Barb20/BG7/Rogue3 is doable. Don't bother with WIS; your duration is too horrible for the spells to be taken seriously. _________________ UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 13:58 PM |
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16 Barb 9 BG 5 Master Scout also sounds a bit tasty.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 14:00 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: 16 Barb 9 BG 5 Master Scout also sounds a bit tasty. Nyeh! Barb/BG/KC! Make use of the CHA to both boost BG saves and divine might/shield, and not to mention the KC abilities!
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ZoltanTheRed
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Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2012, 19:32 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: MoshingChris wrote: 16 Barb 9 BG 5 Master Scout also sounds a bit tasty. Nyeh! Barb/BG/KC! Make use of the CHA to both boost BG saves and divine might/shield, and not to mention the KC abilities! They both seem tasty. Now to actually piece it together: With barbarian 16/blackguard 9/Sexy Commander 5 set at Chaotic Evil because the character is going to be quite mad. Starting stats looked like this: 17 STR 10 DEX 10 CON 10 INT 9 WIS 16 CHA Cha and Str ended at 20 so neither will be particularly epic but both will serve their purpose. The feats I'd likely pick are: Level 1: Barbarian: Power Attack and Cleave Level 3: Barbarian: Weapon focus: battleaxe Level 6 Barbarian: Blind Fight Level 9 (1)Blackguard: Here I could either take toughness or knockdown. Knockdown might prove more important Level 12 (4)Blackguard: Divine Shield Level 15 (7) Blackguard: Divine Might Level 18 (9) Barbarian: Great Fortitude Level 21 (12) Barbarian: Armor skin. I could also take EWF: Battleaxe here if I really didn't want AS. Level 24 (15) Barbarian: Here I can either take terror rage or just not bother and grab something like EWF: Battleaxe. If I didn't get terror rage I'd just dump taunt instead  Level 27 (2) Knight Commander: Epic prowess Level 30 (5) Knight commander: Epic skill focus taunt or Intimidate, depending on what I take.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 1:31 AM |
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Nope
Theres actually not enough feats to make the BG/Barb/KC because of the lack of epic Feats.
You need SF: Discipline and Toughness to qualify for KC. Thats two out of your first eight feats. Four more feats are required for Power Attack, Cleave, Might, Shield. Two Feats are required for your Weapon Foci (Imp Crit, Weapon Focus). You need Blindfight so that eats an epic Feat. Epic Weapon Focus, Armor Skin, are both required feats. That leaves you a single free epic feat which if I was making this build would go onto thundering rage.
Your ability distribution is also poor.
20 Cha has no net gain because Blackguard saves/might/shield are limited to level.
14 or 16 would suffice and I would go with the Former and limit BG to 8 so I could pick up another Barbarian level.
Starting distribution:
18 Str -> 25
8 Dex
14 Con
10 Int
8 Wis
14 Cha
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ZoltanTheRed
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 2:33 AM |
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Ah. I didn't count that bit in. It wouldn't be very profitable for me to go KC and the character wouldn't do very well. Back to the drawing board.
Edit: The suggested stats will actually work really well. Later on he'll actually have some decent longevity to his divine shield and might, decent AB and he'll actually do well with rage. On top of that I think I'll take your advice and hit up Master scout, too.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 4:15 AM |
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Did you need a blow by blow description of how I would build it?
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 5:07 AM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Did you need a blow by blow description of how I would build it? Only if it wouldn't be a pain to do for you. I have a very rough idea of what to do with it and I'd figure I might take Master scout in the later levels to maximize its effectiveness.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 6:48 AM |
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Its basically what I listed for the KC build except with Master Scout and you change out the KC feats for SF Spot, SF Listen
In Epic its:
21 Blindfight
24 Thundering Rage (Barb 16)
27 Armor Skin
30 Terrifying Rage (Barb 17)
Master Scout 1: Epic Weapon Focus
Master Scout 2: Great Strength
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ZoltanTheRed
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 6:50 AM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Its basically what I listed for the KC build except with Master Scout and you change out the KC feats for SF Spot, SF Listen
In Epic its:
21 Blindfight
24 Thundering Rage (Barb 16)
27 Armor Skin
30 Terrifying Rage (Barb 17)
Master Scout 1: Epic Weapon Focus
Master Scout 2: Great Strength Ahh. Thanks for the build advice. I've actually learned a few things about building blackguards and barbs.
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linlan
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 23:27 PM |
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Hi people. This is my first post in this thread. I suck at builds (terribly) so have been reading a lot here, and I used the CBC excel sheet to <try> something.... but I definitely need help ! I tried to roll a Gnome (nyctophobic) Jester (as per the D&D NPC class). See him as a prankster and a trickster, good at hiding 50 yards behind the others while making jokes about their combat style. I'd like him to be a good support though... maybe should he develop his taunt skills ? I'd like to play this as a combination of bard and wizard (Generalist, with strong affinity to Illusion), and need a (big) hand making this a suitable build and avoid being too much of a party leech... Those two classes seem to be an odd combo so... any chance ?  Bard(19), Wizard(11), Gnome STR: 6 DEX: 14 CON: 10 WIS: 12 INT: 16 (18) CHA: 16 (21) 01: Bard(1): Curse Song 02: Bard(2) 03: Wizard(1): Combat Casting ??, {Scribe Scroll} => was aiming at low level Wiz for enhanced RP with Familiar04: Bard(3): CHA+1, (CHA=17) 05: Bard(4) 06: Bard(5): Extra Music 07: Bard(6) 08: Bard(7): CHA+1, (CHA=18) 09: Bard(8): Greater Spell Focus: Illusion 10: Bard(9) 11: Bard(10) 12: Bard(11): CHA+1, << FEAT TBD >>, (CHA=19) 13: Bard(12) 14: Bard(13) 15: Bard(14): Extend Spell 16: Bard(15): INT+1, (INT=17) 17: Bard(16) 18: Wizard(2): Silent Spell 19: Wizard(3) 20: Wizard(4): CHA+1, (CHA=20) 21: Bard(17): Lasting Inspiration 22: Wizard(5): << FEAT ? >>23: Wizard(6) 24: Wizard(7): INT+1, << FEAT ? >>, (INT=18) 25: Wizard(8) 26: Wizard(9) 27: Wizard(10): << FEAT ? >>, << FEAT ? >>28: Wizard(11): CHA+1, (CHA=21) => access to lvl 6 spells29: Bard(18) 30: Bard(19): << FEAT ? >>any good ? what would be optimum feats and worthy skill point investment you think ?
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 23:35 PM |
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Bard 20.. Oh my god. Please go bard 20 or no bard at all. YOU WANT LASTING WINSPIRATION
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linlan
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 23:39 PM |
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but but... I have it there, at lvl 21 (bard 17). that ain't right ?
Edit : yikes, just saw the note on the wikia. Bard 20. arhumpf. (and thanks)
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 23:41 PM |
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Need a minimum of 20 bard levels to take that feat.
mind you, you can get decent mileage out of 12 bard levels or so, but that's more for fighter builds than mages.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 23:50 PM |
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Yup, you can take 20 bard levels and get Lasting Inspiration but you need to take Bard 20 in epic (so no sooner than level 21). At level 21 you can take it and then be golden (for that, at least).
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linlan
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Posted: Sun, Jan 22 2012, 23:57 PM |
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okay thanks.
looks like Ba19/W1 pre-epic and Ba20 at Lvl 21 with Lasting Inspiration, adding 9 more lvl of wiz from 22->30 then ?
What about the other note on the wikia then ("Because of the required perform level, this feat cannot actually be taken until character level 22.") - This can be circumvented with gear ?
will Metamagic be of any help here, or should I invest in something totally different ?
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 3:42 AM |
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linlan wrote: Bard(19), Wizard(11), Gnome
STR: 6
DEX: 14
CON: 10
WIS: 12
INT: 16 (18)
CHA: 16 (21) I'm no builder either, but my 3 cents: 1) Have you considered Bard 20 Sorcerer 10? At least that way you'd get the synergy of CHA as the casting stat for both classes. Wiz 10 and Sorc 10 both get lvl 5 spells, so you're not losing out there. You do miss out on two Wizard feats tho. 2) You only need CHA 16 to cast all of your bard (and sorc) spells, I wouldn't go much higher and definitely not end on 21. And I really don't think you need INT any higher than 14 or 16. 3) I wouldn't gimp STR that much, you'll regret it. You won't be able to carry yourself around, much less any gear at all. Put those extra points from CHA and INT into STR and CON.
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 12:28 PM |
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Lasting Inspiration also requires 25 Perform, so the earliest you can take it is 24. I recommend taking it at 30 so you can max Discipline.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 13:13 PM |
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DerkDerkistan wrote: Lasting Inspiration also requires 25 Perform, so the earliest you can take it is 24. I recommend taking it at 30 so you can max Discipline. >.>! <.<! Earliest you can take it is 22, not 24... Though Derk's suggestion to take bard at 30 to max out discipline is still a valid one.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 13:17 PM |
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Ermm Earliest you can take it is 23 with a Bard epic bonus feat.
22 is not a feat level.
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 13:19 PM |
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In his build, he won't get a feat until 24, hence the earliest he can take it is at 24.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 13:20 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Ermm Earliest you can take it is 23 with a Bard epic bonus feat.
22 is not a feat level. Oh that makes sense now! xD Well, this person isn't going full bard, so I thought Derk meant at bard level 24 >.>; Which doesn't make sense either now that I think about it, since you only need bard 20 for multiclassers... ... Shush. It's 5 in the morning. *Goes back to the cave!*
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linlan
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 14:26 PM |
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thanks for feedback, folks. I probably need to adjust a few things then.
Thinking about it, going the Sorc way would actually make sense character-wise, as spontaneous casting is closer to how I see this jester operate.
If going with Sorc, I presume this Gnome would suffer XP penalty ? Is that a big no-no usually ?
(Not that it would prevent me from enjoying this fun character !)
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 15:15 PM |
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Shoot, I think I was factoring in SF: Perform heh
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Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012, 18:38 PM |
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linlan wrote: If going with Sorc, I presume this Gnome would suffer XP penalty ? Is that a big no-no usually ?
(Not that it would prevent me from enjoying this fun character !) XP penalties are a drag. Taking the Sorc level early will add about 100k XP to reach lvl 30, so it's no small deal. But if you're not in any hurry to level, only you can know if it's worth it or not. I usually try to put off until high epic levels any multi-class penalties, but most of my builds have some sort of penalty. Such is life in the multi-lane.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2012, 22:35 PM |
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Does barbarian damage reduction stack with epic damage reduction?
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Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2012, 22:47 PM |
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