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Probably a little known joke in Zhentil Keep, if anything. A particle of dust, really.

As far as what Dolphin said, yeah, sure, you can read a different angle of the lore and think that's the only acceptable manner of RP for a Banite, but at the end of the day, you aren't your deity, nor one of his champions and therefore it isn't required to roleplay as your deity would to the letter. A follower is by no means divine and certainly not infallible. Of course, if you do something ridiculously stupid, then you might get a fall widget, but I mean, the stuff you describe is not uncharacteristic of evil characters in general, if they choose to be openly so.

Also, you might find Bane's ascension quite amusing if you don't like the idea "Rawr, crush all who oppose Bane."

666WaysToHell wrote:

How 'popular' would Amias CoB be, anyway? Would they be a common knowledge (or a common joke, rather) around the whole Zhentil keep?

There has been some RP in this regard in the past, when previous incarnations of the CoB on Amia have asked for aid in one fashion or another from the mainland, so I'd edge towards ye ol' "find out IC" for this one.

I love how long post get so far off topic lol . But yea I just came back to Amia and it really does suck not having the banite or just a evil presence the clash of good and evil is what I love about rp servers . If u don't have the evil then u just got a bunch of shiny flower sniffing knights bathing together . Seems like when I play I can start to get some evils grouped up but to get an actual faction or church going is not easy because if u even mentions evil seems like every player in the server shows up to brutally kill u lol.. P.s. if someone is interested in starting an evil faction be it bane or whatever shoot me a pm I would love to invest my time to help start and lead it and I'm not going anywhere as long as I have something to do . Just shoot me a pm

tyler_jacob wrote:

I love how long post get so far off topic lol . But yea I just came back to Amia and it really does suck not having the banite or just a evil presence the clash of good and evil is what I love about rp servers . If u don't have the evil then u just got a bunch of shiny flower sniffing knights bathing together . Seems like when I play I can start to get some evils grouped up but to get an actual faction or church going is not easy because if u even mentions evil seems like every player in the server shows up to brutally kill u lol.. P.s. if someone is interested in starting an evil faction be it bane or whatever shoot me a pm I would love to invest my time to help start and lead it and I'm not going anywhere as long as I have something to do . Just shoot me a pm

There are evil factions. Lurk more.

Try telling Mala Ayolmen that there are no evil factions; she'll get a laugh out of that.

Well I just came back to the server and I haven't been able to find much going on I guess I don't know where the new hang out places are lol

Well as I said lurk more, don't jump to conclusions straight away.

Where? Lol

IG, PC notice board, ask around, take a wild guess.

There are places where evil characters tend to reside, but it's hard to tell what faction any one character belongs to just by appearances alone, and many don't like to share their affiliations easily. Honestly, I only know of a couple current evil factions, and I think they all have requirements that most evil characters can't really acquire.

Uh-Oh

Don't react to IC things in an OOC topic that has nothing to do with them.

<_<

That post has everything to do with this thread. Did you read it?

o lol... I forgot there's a black font.

Sirreh Bini :3

Sorry, but I have to say that someone metagaming the /crap/ out of us with DM approval left a sour taste in my mouth that has decided I won't attempt to play my Banite again. It's bad enough to BE the bad guy, let alone to have people magically know right where you are and appear despite having had no way to know or do so IC or OOC.

I love you guys,but if this is what we're in for, it's not for me.

P Three wrote:

Sorry, but I have to say that someone metagaming the /crap/ out of us with DM approval left a sour taste in my mouth that has decided I won't attempt to play my Banite again. It's bad enough to BE the bad guy, let alone to have people magically know right where you are and appear despite having had no way to know or do so IC or OOC.

I love you guys,but if this is what we're in for, it's not for me.

Que?

What makes you think there's DM approval? Not a single DM has posted in that thread. Silence is not approval. We're currently checking amongst ourselves to see if the posting player worked this out with a DM in advance since Banites do have to take at least a modicum of precaution in Cordor that this player does not appear to have taken.

Ultimately, the original poster is at fault for cramming a PnP spell down the throats of his fellow players, knowing full well that only DMs can do that, and that he needs to get some kind of consent from his fellow players to employ it in the first place. This puts 666 in a position where he would have to use a second PnP spell not represented in NWN in order to break through it, which he cannot one way or another prove he has access to...just like the original poster can't really, either.

Regardless, P Three, your reactionary post is the reason you probably should not be playing with the Banite faction. The body was not even cold and you immediately cry foul play before we've even had a chance to fully investigate. That kind of OOC behavior from any player could really foul up any faction's IC fun.

P Three wrote:

Sorry, but I have to say that someone metagaming the /crap/ out of us with DM approval left a sour taste in my mouth that has decided I won't attempt to play my Banite again. It's bad enough to BE the bad guy, let alone to have people magically know right where you are and appear despite having had no way to know or do so IC or OOC.

I love you guys,but if this is what we're in for, it's not for me.

I'm so confused. But I'm okay with that. I think.

Yossarin wrote:

What makes you think there's DM approval? Not a single DM has posted in that thread. Silence is not approval. We're currently checking amongst ourselves to see if the posting player worked this out with a DM in advance since Banites do have to take at least a modicum of precaution in Cordor that this player does not appear to have taken.

Ultimately, the original poster is at fault for cramming a PnP spell down the throats of his fellow players, knowing full well that only DMs can do that, and that he needs to get some kind of consent from his fellow players to employ it in the first place. This puts 666 in a position where he would have to use a second PnP spell not represented in NWN in order to break through it, which he cannot one way or another prove he has access to...just like the original poster can't really, either.

Regardless, P Three, your reactionary post is the reason you probably should not be playing with the Banite faction. The body was not even cold and you immediately cry foul play before we've even had a chance to fully investigate. That kind of OOC behavior from any player could really foul up any faction's IC fun.

666 could also just have played along. I don't understand why everybody need to counter all spells they encounter.

His character is a guard. And a cleric of Lathander. Both perfect reasons why he would inspect it and counter it. Though what Yoss said stands, and it probably would have been locked because of it anyways. PnP spells still require player consent or DM permission, just going from server rules.

(For the record I thought it was a nifty idea)

// An interesting segue and counterpoint:

Should Consent to the spell in theory grant consent to the Counters thereof applied to the same situation (with reasonable RP to warrant them) or should those require a seperate request?

Per here: Let's say the DMs did indeed sanction the posts which kicked off this mess.

Would the consent need to seperately be obtained to counter if there was just cause for the counters to be attempted?

That's an interesting question, and I -think- that I've heard PnP counters to approved PnP spells are fine but I can't say that with certainty. But you should ask in the General Questions thread so everyone can see it :3

I can't grab a DM quote as the forum it was in is gone/hidden, but if you do request permission to use a PnP spell such as detect evil, detect good or whatever the readily counter-able spell may be, you do automatically give consent in doing so for the counter(s) to such a spell.

I don't know Yoss. It would have been extremely easy to put in a few minutes of effort to post the RP of taking the poster to another character that would conceivably have the appropriate spells. He wasn't put in a difficult position at all. He was put in a position where he would have had to generate more RP, with another character, that's more than "Removes posters with super vision!". Given the low level of the spell, it wouldn't have a DC even worth considering. PCs could shrug off the suggestion portion if they didn't wish to go along with that RP. It falls to the DMs to interpret how the commoners are affected. Nothing is cramming anything down any PC's throat, since the whole thread can be safely ignored by anyone "not giving permission". Especially considering that illusionary script has been used extensively by past DM characters without complaint, I find this retcon decision very sketchy on a personal level. My character doesn't have ready access to PnP spells at all (Well, aside from one use of silent image a day). Do I have the right to protest every time a divination is used against my faction without me having been asked? The logic, as presented, I find to be pretty flimsy at best. Given that I'm not even involved, that opinion likely doesn't merit much, but I still feel compelled to say something.

I agree with you, because I can see it from that vantage point. But I'm the least pleased with P Three for throwing out a falsehood that we approved it when we didn't.

All this drama makes me a little uncomfortable with bringing my Banite back out to play. In all my time on Amia I've never experienced so much drama, both IC and OOC around any one faction than this one. It saddens me because I love playing a Banite, I think the people involved in the faction are usually brilliant RPers and very nice people OOCly. I hate that for some reason, of all the evil factions out there, this one seems to attract so much OOC drama, I guess it's the faction's high profile, but then again I do recall all the drama that went on in Ultrinnan back in the bad old days.

To summarise I think people need to just chill out a little, I as well need to just remember that this is just a game and not to get so protecting of a pixel on a PC screen. I dunno, maybe I've mellowed with age but all this jumping up and down and screaming "Cheat!" just smacks of a little too much emotional attachment to something non physical. I know what P-Three is talking about, I was there, but as far as I'm concerned it happened, I didn't like it at the time, but there's no point getting upset about something that's been and gone.

Let's all just relax a little and try to remember that we're all here for the same reason, to have fun.

Because it was an IC posting it requires permission. Unless you are inferring that our PCs walk around immediately blind to any such postings unless we say otherwise, yes permission is still required. It's part of the server rules, and a DM has to okay it. Technically the spells were forced upon anyone that read it. Anyone. Saying 'just ignore it' is like giving someone permission to cast a PnP spell then ignoring it after the fact. Doesn't work that way.

NinjaClarinet wrote:

Do I have the right to protest every time a divination is used against my faction without me having been asked? The logic, as presented, I find to be pretty flimsy at best. Given that I'm not even involved, that opinion likely doesn't merit much, but I still feel compelled to say something.

Was it done with a DM's permission? If yes, then no you do not because a DM approved it. Which is the point of what Yoss posted. It comes down to DM approval. But by the same token if you feel your faction or character is being biased against by a DM you have the right to speak up.

Like I said before I'm not trashing it, because I thought it was a nifty idea as well. And I get your PoV as well, it just conflicts with what I understand of the rules.

Wha'? Don't get disheartened from playing Banites. This is hardly drama, and I'm kind of surprised anyone's getting that worked up anyway. Just relax, folks.

It's not the smartest way to handle being evil givijg away your plans and meeting place... It's so rather cartoonish. This is why I cannot do a Banite, which is a shame because I love Bane. This just lacks the clever wielding of power and skill I'd desire. You are only as strong as your weakest link and all that.

Should have had your hidden text and fake location or meeting place where you give a face to face so you can get rid of spies and such. I'm also not fond how you guys handle loses and failures as a whole...

Not trying to hate on you lot but you have asked why it had the reputation you do. This is why. Silly way of going about being evil, complaining major when I goes wrong, and blame game etc.

The faction leader needs to step up their selection process or the team as a whole to weed out those who would infiltrate you or get you caught or proliferate the banotes terrible ooc reputation among this player base.

This disheartens people because they aren't so nearsighted as to think this is a 1-time occurence. I'm sure we can expect plenty more metagame and controversial roleplay spurring up against the Banites, but hey that's the nature of the beast.

The only reason Loynis actually found it suspicious was because no one posts those kinds of things in praise of Lathander; they do deeds rather than words! So of course he'll find it suspicious, and since guards don't do patrols without their trusty True Sight badges active, the concealed text would have been noticeable.

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I say there was DM approval because a DM told us what was done by the metagamer was ok, Yoss. I'm not referring to the PNP spell thread.

And, quite honestly, I don't think "Once bitten twice shy" is a /bad/ reactionary measure, but thanks for telling me what I should and shouldn't play.

666WaysToHell wrote:

The only reason Loynis actually found it suspicious was because no one posts those kinds of things in praise of Lathander; they do deeds rather than words! So of course he'll find it suspicious, and since guards don't do patrols without their trusty True Sight badges active, the concealed text would have been noticeable.

Poor Lathy. :C

Yeah, there's no real drama here. Palin's on the mark. Just a situation of one player posting something that dramatically overreaches and doesn't give other players a way out, another player treating that like it is nothing and barreling through it without even so much as a second glance, and a third player eager to push the Banite faction into DM conflict again. That alone is enough reason for me to shut it down and say, "Start over if you want, but everyone do it sensibly this time."

That is not asking too much, even if my personal expectations are not high.

It's not like you didn't get free advertisement anyway.

It's kind of hard to unsee something on the forum so any would-be banites that did see it before it was retconned will know that somewhere there is a Banite faction lurking.

Silent2001 wrote:

It's not like you didn't get free advertisement anyway.

It's kind of hard to unsee something on the forum so any would-be banites that did see it before it was retconned will know that somewhere there is a Banite faction lurking.

There's no good or bad PR!

Very_Svensk wrote:

Silent2001 wrote:

It's not like you didn't get free advertisement anyway.

It's kind of hard to unsee something on the forum so any would-be banites that did see it before it was retconned will know that somewhere there is a Banite faction lurking.

There's no good or bad PR!

Metalien wrote:

All this drama makes me a little uncomfortable with bringing my Banite back out to play. In all my time on Amia I've never experienced so much drama, both IC and OOC around any one faction than this one.

Maybe the problem is in your faction then.

Dead wrote:

Metalien wrote:

All this drama makes me a little uncomfortable with bringing my Banite back out to play. In all my time on Amia I've never experienced so much drama, both IC and OOC around any one faction than this one.

Maybe the problem is in your faction then.

I think the primary problems for evil factions aren't within.

I'd love to see more Banites around, and I'm open to conversion tactics. Good luck guys!

You can still find them around, disobeying lawful authority as always.

Here's hoping the originator of the post I had to shut down takes some undercover advice that was provided.

I'm not exactly famous for having a high wisdom score!

666WaysToHell wrote:

I'm not exactly famous for having a high wisdom score!

I'll give you a dollar if you make this your signature.

No way! Anyway, my snarky comment wasn't from that forum post deal, it was from something else that happened in game.

I came to one conclusion after being playing with banites: no, DMs and good toons don't kill banites. Banites kill banites! ICly and OOCly. They often forget that you can be an IC arse, but avoid that OOC. It only washes the fun away and often pushes good banite players to the good side of the server.

alamut wrote:

I came to one conclusion after being playing with banites: no, DMs and good toons don't kill banites. Banites kill banites! ICly and OOCly. They often forget that you can be an IC arse, but avoid that OOC. It only washes the fun away and often pushes good banite players to the good side of the server.

Wait what? Elaborate?

alamut wrote:

I came to one conclusion after being playing with banites: no, DMs and good toons don't kill banites. Banites kill banites! ICly and OOCly. They often forget that you can be an IC arse, but avoid that OOC. It only washes the fun away and often pushes good banite players to the good side of the server.

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