Well, unless you really want the Divine Champion levels for RP, and if you're not going to take them pre-epic for the maximum BAB, then you're probably better off with more Cleric levels for CL. Buff duration is a nuisance as is, you don't want to cut 14 rounds from your Battletide and Divine Power.
23/6/1 (rog, bard or monk) will net you Epic Weapon Spec, 4 APR and a Tumble dump, and 23 is the cleric bonus feat level anyway. It's a pretty cookie-cutter combat cleric.
Taking your Divine Champion levels post-20 means more epic feats, but taking them earlier gives you a higher BAB. I am not sure what the ideal balance is, there. As a melee fighter, AB is a primary concern.
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Getting back to Joon: is immunity to Greater Dispelling and +1 CL worth an epic feat? I am, of course, debating whether I should go 24/6 Cleric/Monk or 23/6/1 Cleric/Monk/Ranger. It would net me EWF, which I will otherwise lack.
With the monk APR on quarterstaff, I guess every bit of AB pays off.
(This question is relevant to the combat cleric build above, by the way; 24 is the CL that makes Greater Dispelling impossible.)
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It's a simple question of which solution yields more benefits, in this case it will be the latter. Apart from EWF you also get access to Spot and Animal Empathy, if that rocks your boat. CL 23 vs 24 is not as big of a deal as +2 AB and a useful skill.
It's a simple question of which solution yields more benefits, in this case it will be the latter. Apart from EWF you also get access to Spot and Animal Empathy, if that rocks your boat. CL 23 vs 24 is not as big of a deal as +2 AB and a useful skill.
Not as if I have any spare skill points, though. I actually need to leave stuff unmaxed to squeeze more Lore in. Otherwise it would be a no-brainer. 2 rounds to every buff and no risk of getting stripped on a 20 is a convenience, though obviously +2 AB is more raw power.
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IronAngel wrote:
Getting back to Joon: is immunity to Greater Dispelling and +1 CL worth an epic feat? I am, of course, debating whether I should go 24/6 Cleric/Monk or 23/6/1 Cleric/Monk/Ranger. It would net me EWF, which I will otherwise lack.
With the monk APR on quarterstaff, I guess every bit of AB pays off.
(This question is relevant to the combat cleric build above, by the way; 24 is the CL that makes Greater Dispelling impossible.)
You really want Dispell immunity if you want to solo things like Flayers, abyss, Spires, Shaugians etcetera. All high end dungeons have greater dispell monsters. Shouldt you have enough feats as it is? 4+1 extra = 5. #1 Mummy dust #2 EFW #3 Armor skin #4 Epic prowess #5 ?
ESF: Conjuration EMD Armor Skin Great Str I Great Str II
Not sure why I'm going 20 Str. I am exchanging 2 AB for 1.5 damage. That's what I was told to do years ago!
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2 AB and 1.5 damage Svensk, like I just said. Two-hander, and you still get the +1 AB from Str. But yeah, I like the idea of getting Epic Lore. Will need to request a few levels' rebuild.
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Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
10 Monk/16 WM/4 Fighter is superior. You don't really need 8 Fighter.
STR or DEX is fine, obviously a DEX build will have more AC. I went STR on mine just for funsies and because it fit the character concept more (big burly tuigan that can knock you the **** out with his quarterstaff [Dev Crit build]).
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That's not a quarterstaff monk, that's a quarterstaff wizard ;p lol
Either way it's a wizard build, he wants monk!
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Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
Why? You could make a DEX-based disarm cannon with that qstaff. I don't know, really, maybe.
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Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
Mm, that might be why, then. If that's still right, you'd have to go all-STR or like 14 or so DEX and the rest STR. Just for AC purposes and all.
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It's a cool and fun idea without the Chultan aspect, though.
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Not the same thing in any way. Read up on Chultans and you'll see why they should be requested or just all-out replaced.
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And I echo Chultan's Platinum Coinage. I'd also like to see Ffolk added for similar reasons.
But back to the build thread, what would that build's spell outlook be? How OP would EMD /and/ all that damage become?
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And I echo Chultan's Platinum Coinage. I'd also like to see Ffolk added for similar reasons.
But back to the build thread, what would that build's spell outlook be? How OP would EMD /and/ all that damage become?
Spellsword is the way to go. Im more interested in a working concept for the same build; albeit with sorcerer involved. I doubt it would work with Weaponmaster thought.
Well thank you for reiterating the point made four times already. >_>
The issue in my opion is more the low Charisma, anyway. Given that Chultan wizards are tribe shamans whose authority is, in the proper sociological sense of the word, charismatic. I don't see how one would be accepted into the role with 6 Cha. Minmaxing is fine, as long as it makes sense. The build doesn't exactly have a witch doctor flavor in any case. I doubt anyone's actually playing it, it's just an exercise in numbers. Would work with a vanilla human just fine, though.
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Sorcerers didn't exist as a class when the region and its people were written, so I doubt that. Given how most tribes have an arcanist and how sorcerers are extremely rare freaks of nature, it wouldn't be a very feasible arrangement anyway. There are more ways to learn arcane magic than leather-bound, folio-sized codexes.
In 3e, there would probably be a prestige class for it.
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In response to your critique of the choice of race in the build, i will say that it works just as well with a number of other races, and as Iron said, it was more of an excersize in numbers than a realistic character, but yes i did play it for a while to see how it handles.
The reason why i posted it in the first place, was to raise a question: did nobody see it coming?
Look closer into it and you'll realize that it's a ridiculous cheese that cramps the best of two worlds in one build - powerful warrior and a strong wizard.
Only thing it's short on is Armor Skin, which to be honest I don't really care about given the fellow will be using a Towershield, have epic mage armor, damage division with his EMD and for extra cheese we will take the Undead Summon to tank.
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Evil monk. Human base turning into outsider (it's relevant to the RP) so take away 1 level. I was thinking monk/assassin, or monk/sd but those are probably everywhere, as are people with good spot skills and I couldn't hold a torch to rogues with UMD using camo scrolls. So now I'm just looking for something that can beat the fuck out of people- a tough as nails monk. A monk other monks have trouble beating up. Saves, damage output and AC.
Seems with monks I can dump all my levels and feats into SR and no one can touch a ghoul finger to me... but then I might get mauled by dire badgers. I can make my stunning fist DC beyond epic and have that...as.. my ONLY move.
Which is better for that, monk/cleric or monk/fighter? Monk cleric's damage could be fire, magical, divine + other properties but those fade, monk/fighter could be pure consistent dex/str no? Would I survive as monk/fighter without any UMD?
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Uncle-Opustus wrote:
Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
Not touching open I must kill others because im arse with ten foot pole.
Quoted for awesome.
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Need some help with this build. I want this to be a PM SD build, and I want to make this character not suck. Here is my first draft. Tell me what you would change, or what needs fixing.
Can't reskin a shadowlord to a dire tiger, or whatnot!
Lore-wise you could make a Dire Tiger shadow-like summon
Also for SD builds it's best to either go Wiz/SD or Bard/SD, really.
A Cleric/SD would be great if you pick a god with certain aspects that can aid you.
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Also in your Wiz/PM/SD build, you take Mummy Dust without Epic Spell Focus: Necro for waaaaay too long, you'll soon find yourself feeling like you messed up. Beside that, it's an all right build in my books.
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Here is the build I came up with for 20 levels of SD. I just want someone to see if it checks out. Can I take the Epic Shadowlord Feat any time in epic levels like it is here?
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