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Uberuce

Posted: Sun, Jan 05 2014, 22:52 PM

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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.

Can you point me at any discussion of why that was done?

MisterLich

Posted: Sun, Jan 05 2014, 23:04 PM

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Joined: 17 Jul 2013

More importantly, can you show us the evidence for the mobs have a low enough fortitude that Wail is actually useful? My epic necromancer who's level 29, can cast two wail's in a room in an epic dungeon (seriously, pick one), and maybe one or two monsters will die out of the entire spawn.

I won't even get into Zanshibon, since it is actually appropriately the "fuck casters" place.

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GreatPigeon

Posted: Sun, Jan 05 2014, 23:14 PM

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Joined: 04 May 2009
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MisterLich wrote:

I won't even get into Zanshibon, since it is actually appropriately the "fuck casters" place.

Lies, its a STFU up and buff place. As all casters should know already!

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Uberuce

Posted: Sun, Jan 05 2014, 23:52 PM

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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
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MisterLich wrote:

"If you're a Wiz17 or Sorc18 and running with a level 12 or 13, then the first few mobs are pretty much doomed." Yeah, it really stops being much cop later on. That's fine by me; having the ability too whack about half a rest interval's mobs without doing much is dirty, so I don't mind that it's not a trick with much legs.

MisterLich

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 3:04 AM

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Joined: 17 Jul 2013

GreatPigeon wrote:

MisterLich wrote:

I won't even get into Zanshibon, since it is actually appropriately the "fuck casters" place.

Lies, its a STFU up and buff place. As all casters should know already!

Lol, I didn't mean buffing as well. I meant casting things on the enemies in any way; between ultra saves and SR, they're pretty much immune to spells.

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Silent2001

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 3:10 AM

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Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Location: United Kingdomshire

My mage can walk through Zanshibon with her summon/familiar and trounce it. There's literally no area (to my knowledge) that a mage can't solo.

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MisterLich

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 3:46 AM

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Silent2001 wrote:

My mage can walk through Zanshibon with her summon/familiar and trounce it. There's literally no area (to my knowledge) that a mage can't solo.

Do explain how this is possible.

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Murex

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 6:26 AM

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Joined: 01 Dec 2009

Negative Energy Burst is one of my favorite spells, because the STR drain cannot be saved against. Works wonders in the Abyss. Especially when your mage has high AC.

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Kamina

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 9:56 AM

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Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Kent, England.

MisterLich wrote:

Silent2001 wrote:

My mage can walk through Zanshibon with her summon/familiar and trounce it. There's literally no area (to my knowledge) that a mage can't solo.

Do explain how this is possible.

>Summon EMD/EDK and familiar
>Use all of your buffs on them
>Invis yourself
>Stand back as they tear everything apart.

This is easiest to do as a Necromancer, honestly. Skeleton familiar + Mummy are immune to a lot of things and can be healed via NEBs whilst damaging the enemies, such a tactic sucks doing Vampires, though.

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MoshingChris

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 13:12 PM

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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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Uberuce wrote:

Can you point me at any discussion of why that was done?

I don't think it was a discussion, so much as the Amian mindset with regards to Fort Whoring. The "Normal" Amian epic spawns, even the ones you did (or at least I assume you did) normally have double the adjustment on Fortitude compared to the other saves.

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Exordius

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 17:29 PM

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Joined: 25 Oct 2013
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I retract my earlier statement... i was attacked by a near epic lv melee character yesterday and i killed him dead with one finger of death. Was not even a contest... i love finger of death.

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Naivatkal

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 17:36 PM

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Joined: 26 May 2010

Yeah but what was the rolls? Did he roll a one? Cause that's instant death unless you have Death Ward or Shadow Shield.

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Exordius

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 17:38 PM

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I did get lucky yes his fort save was only 17 which is apparently below my spells dc.

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Naivatkal

Posted: Mon, Jan 06 2014, 17:44 PM

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Joined: 26 May 2010

That is a depressing fort save, lol.

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