I'll get back to you with team answers, but in order my personal answers are:

"No"

"No"

"No"

"With DM oversight only, if allowed at all".

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

I echo that.

Totally understand the ruling on Mindrape and Programmed Amnesia, but what about the significantly less powerful modify memory for bards?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/modifyMemory.htm

Is that also a no go?

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I play:

My first instinct is to say it's alright almost purely because of this clause:



Whereas the other two allow for 'the person thinks and actually believes this', modify memory does not.

Will try to get a DM consensus for you.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

A second clarification regarding saving vs spells has been added:

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

So lets say you want to join a faction, so you're in a room with four members of the Base Tilwnu faction. They say they want you to manually not resist a zone of truth. You agree, lower your mental defenses, at which point the Base Tilwnuers show their true colors and each begin lobbing volley after volley of mind spells, including dominate and whatnot. But because you lowered your saves manually, you can no longer make saves against any of those new effects?

Additionally, someone in another room could scry on your now with no save on your part at all, and you could just get a gaes/quest stuck on you by anyone nearby no save, and then have your mind altered so you think you passed the interview but in all actuality are being released under magical compulsion to, say, kill hil-rash?

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ANT ALARM

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Willingly choosing to fail an individual save is different than blanket lowerring your spell defenses. They are separate actions you can take. One is an immediate action in reaction to a spell that you are aware of being cast on you, and the other is, as detailed, a full round action to lower and a minute to "turn back on". Should you choose to voluntarily lower all your defenses, yes, the Base Tilwnuers could choose to do that. If you only choose, however, to fail the save vs Zone of Truth, this does not happen.



Correct, if you blanket lowered your mental defenses. But you don't need to - you can individually fail a save willingly vs a spell you are aware of and that you are choosing to do. Most adventurers and people will never need to "power down" entirely. It's incredibly dangerous and nigh on stupid. But you can do it, if you want.

No spell can make you voluntarily blanket lower your mental defenses - even Dominate does not give you that power over someone.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

LEgend Lore clarifications have been added.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

Has this not been the case before? At least based on my divination experiences, doing LL without DM is near useless if we do not count the lore bonus given.

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http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/spells.htm

There has been some confusion in recent times and we felt it best to codify our attitude into a rule.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

Ah! Alright then. Is all clear now.

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Would request clarifications on the use of Legend Lore.



Now what I want clarification on, is that the spell description states it can be used on important person, place or thing. Important, not legendary. Now, I have had the experience that people more often than not people get stuck on the "Legendary" part. As I understand this description, it does not state that the thing, object or place needs to be legendary, just important. Whereare places, things and objects, can become important when certain amount of people know of them, seeks them or so on.. The less known any of these are, the less important and hence less exact the information is. Therefore, when and why is it defined that things, objects or place needs to be legendary in order for the spell to function when the description simply states important?

And at what point does a place, object or a thing become important or legendary?

Thirdly the spell states following: "These may be legends that are still current, legends that have been forgotten, or even information that has never been generally known." Information that generally has never been known, which to me states that it actually was not legendary, it was simply related to an important or legendary event/place/object or a thing. Therefore, could we not say that if there is indirect connection to something legendary, the spell can be used to gather information on it?

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http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/spells.htm

The spell uses "Important" to mean "legendary" and uses the terms interchangeably. This is semantics and a pointless argument.



The spell uses "Important" to mean "legendary" and uses the terms interchangeably. This is semantics and a pointless argument.



DM discretion.



Not necessarily. DM discretion.

Legend Lore is not "give me answers" the spell, it has a very specific function, providing a glimpse into the past myths and legends of very specific types of things. Trying to use it for things outside that scope results in failure.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

So what we can conclude is that using the spell is very cicumstancial and also dependant on the Dm you might have at the time, as personal discression can be very varying between Dm's.

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http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/spells.htm

I am telling you that you can conclude that Legend Lore/Vision is not the solution to every plot issue and does rely on the specific thing you are asking about actually being Legendary, yes. It is not the cure all plot answer to everything, and never was, and never should have been.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

I'll agree they're not (and given my prediliction to them this is funny for me to be saying) , I admit I get frustrated when there is no seeming way to gain information about a particular topic. (Things that're reasonably hard to get information about, sure I understand). I DO Grasp however that sometimes, more mundane or conventional means may be required to gather information, and I also grasp that in some cases ,information should be quite difficult or obscure.

I do have some personal irks when it comes to plots and attempting to glean information and finding my attempts stymied or only obtaining limited success, but that's mostly come from bad experiences in the past and I do my best not to let that reflect on the current day. I will also freely confess in some cases, I've had very positive chances to gather information in plots (both through Legend Lore/Vision and other means) so, it's not something I've always run into. *It tends to stick out more when you're playing a character who's a freaking Wizard and more research oriented*

This being said, (and I apologize for the segue) , it is cool to see there is a mechanical use for Legend Lore now.

Now Tormak, I never implied it should be universal "Tell me all" spell. I was asking clarification on its use because my undertanding had been different and my experiences has been different with different DM's. Therefore, I thought that a spell could use more defined way of working, or that I should get better understanding how it functions. And what you stated before, clearly, defines that it is not an automatic reply to everything, which I never thought it was anyway, and that a DM is part of the spell how it works. Which also entirely fine, so therefore, like a request, some DM's might be more relaxed to say yes and others no, which makes it very cisrcumstancial spell on top of needing to have specific backgrounds established (Meaning being legendary rep established.)

And I have no problems going through the mundane way either, however, in order to know what I can and can't do with spells, I need to ask clarification instead of assuming myself. You provided that clarification, thank you for that, but please take note that my assumption never was that it should be automatic answer to every plot/situation and don't place such words in my mouth.

As a player of a diviner, I am very used to getting "No info comes." and that divinations almost never actually work. Therefore, just wanted to find understanding what from DM perspective makes the change of a thing/place/obkject into a status of legendary and when it starts to work. Now I know that it is DM digression and it is just shooting in the dark most of the times anyway.


Edit: I will also like to point out that forgive me for not realizing that important and legendary in this context were interchangeable, or whatever the word was. I read Engllish very literally because it is not my native tongue and therefore my interpretentation might be very different, which was the reason I sought to ask instead of assuming my own.

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I have a question about the spell Premonition. I want to know its actual PnP uses, since it is implied by both PnP references (found through a quick Google or two) and the game that the spell legitimately allows one to see into the future, albeit for a few 'moments'. What exactly does the spell show you? does it show you the future in the event you had never cast the spell? (Example: Virgil, when casting Premonition, discovers that Artholomew is going to stab him horribly, and will cause Virgil to bleed out on the forest floor, but is since he knows this now, he can act against him!) Or does it show you the future where you had cast the spell? (Example: Virgil casts the spell Premonition, and through this, he sees himself attacked, but is able to defend himself within the vision itself.) How far does it let you see ahead, exactly? A few seconds? Minutes? And finally, is the spell visible with its glowy whirly shit?

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Sir Hammond Harrington
Earalia Holyn
Virgil Kelten

There aren't any pnp uses for premonition. It's made up by the NWN devs for whatever reasons they had, same as ghostly visage and a few other spells. My guess is for balance reasons or lack of knowledge on dnd spells (It's probably why some aren't the correct spellschool too). The only thing that comes close is foresight, and it's a level 9 spell, not a level 8 one so you can't use them interchangeably. It's basically a homebrewn greater greater stoneskin with no official lore attached on how it works or why. As such, I'd imagine it only does exactly what it does and nothing else. Allows you to avoid damage. How you choose to RP that out is up to you, but it won't allow you to take any action on what you see (except to avoid up to 30/+5 damage) because that's not what the spell does.

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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/3rd-party ... remonition

If we wanna get non-NWNy

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Playing: Tanar'i Shit Disturbers

What Grave said, basically. It sadly is a silly spell in relation to its name and how it was implemented. So you can totally physically dodge the damage from a sword or arrow, but not the elemental energy on it? How does that work? For that matter, how does premonition show you the way to sidestep a boulder, but not a fireball? The best explanation I've been able to concoct for myself is that it only shows the "physical" world around you. Magic, energy, force of any sort does not appear in the vision, and what does appear isn't so far ahead that you have time to call things out to your friends about it; thus, it works only for you.

Still, it would have been better explained as some kinetic field, like the description of the old Black Label potions or something. That, or maybe one day we'll get a BoT that changes the spell to some medium Temp HP(basically works as all-around energy/damage soak) and some bonuses to saves and skill with increasing Divination Focus.

Edit: I would expect a DM to work with you if you were trying to channel Premonition to do something else in RP, though. It's one of the highest Divination spells we have. I mean, there's Power Word: Kill, but there's pretty much only one thing you can do with that...

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It does not give you future sight more than perhaps milliseconds - not useful against anything except, say, being attacked. "Extreme reflexes" is probably a better interpretation of the spell. Foresight is the obvious comparison.

Yes, the spell is visible, as all spell VFX are save for the dots of an aura. You exude a visible aura of Divination energies.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

I have added clarifications for the following spells:

Clone
Contingency
Modify Memory
Trap the soul (and all "permakill spells")
Magic Jar (and similar "bodyswap spells")
Dominate Person and Dominate Monster.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham