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fjook
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 Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 12:49 PM |
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Does it affect Champion of Torm class too? or just Pallys and Clerics?
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Nekhy
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 12:50 PM |
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I think all divine classes are included. Paladins, clerics, druids, CoT's and BGs.
(BG not being exclusively divine, btw)
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ainjyll
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 13:45 PM |
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Having had a BG that fell, I can tell you it does affect them. So, I'd be willing to bet that it could hit a CoT as well.
_________________  "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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Nekhy
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 13:49 PM |
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I am quite sure the request was for all divine classes (which I guess includes rangers in FR, btw), but you never know if the script actually works on all of them. 
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Galenson
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 14:27 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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The "fallen" scripts are alignment based.
A Paladin will fall (they need to be LG)
A CoT will fall (they need to be non-evil)
A cleric won't. (They can be any alignment)
Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first.
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P Three
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 15:25 PM |
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Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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Isn't a cleric losing the favour of their deity the same thing, essentially?
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QPR
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 16:49 PM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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Clerics can fall too if they stray from their Deities dogma.
As for rangers falling... with 3 ed, i cant really see how that could happen. Except if they start pissing on their deities idol or something similar. In good ol' 2e you could become a 'Fallen Ranger'... which i often became because it was a cool title.
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Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 17:36 PM |
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Galenson wrote: The "fallen" scripts are alignment based.
A Paladin will fall (they need to be LG)
A CoT will fall (they need to be non-evil)
A cleric won't. (They can be any alignment)
Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first.
Nope, they're not alignment based at all.
And a cleric can fall!
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Basin
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:03 PM |
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Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Location: United Kingdom
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What about monks? I dont think they 'fall' so to speak but I recall reading that if they were to go against there oaths and say to say they may 'fall' and monk levels will turn into fighter instead, is this true or have a magically concocted this from somewhere. :lol:
EDIT : Typo's.
Last edited by Basin on Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:07 PM, edited 1 time in total.
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Nekhy
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:05 PM |
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Monks are not included in the Amian fall-system. Might be a fun addition, though.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:06 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Nah. Makes no sense. Monks don't fall, monks can be of any alignment. You just can't advance in Monk anymore if you're no longer Lawful.
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Maias227
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:45 PM |
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Joined: 08 Jun 2007
Location: Denmark (GMT+1)
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I would actually go as far as to say clerics are one of the classes alongside paladin most likely to fall. If they fail or directly go against the preached words of their patron their connection with the divine will be severed and they will loose their ability to cast spells.
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QPR
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 20:18 PM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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And 3.5 rules state that Ex-monks (those that advance in another class or move from lawful aligment) retain all their monk abilities.
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"Edwin do this, Edwin do that. Somebody get this jerk a banana!" - Edwin, BG II
Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 20:20 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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You don't exactly forget how to do a backflip if you stop your daily prayers, after all.
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Kraniumbrud
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 20:28 PM |
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Joined: 08 Dec 2008
Location: Denmark
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can rangers fall and lose thier devine casting abilities?
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555444333
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 21:30 PM |
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Joined: 08 Oct 2005
Location: Czechia
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Nekhy wrote: I am quite sure the request was for all divine classes (which I guess includes rangers in FR, btw),
Emphasis added
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Gunz
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 22:30 PM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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IronAngel wrote: Nah. Makes no sense. Monks don't fall, monks can be of any alignment. You just can't advance in Monk anymore if you're no longer Lawful.
Yeah, Monks can't fall. They can stop being Monks if they stray from Lawful though. They become Ex-Monks but retain all the levels they've gained. (including all the perks that come with those levels)
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ainjyll
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 22:59 PM |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc
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I'm sure a cleric has fallen on Amia, but I'd love to see it happen more often. Especially in the really strict dogmas. I think a fallen cleric would be way more interesting than a fallen paladin. Not really sure why, just seems to be a pretty interesting dynamic to me.
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fjook
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Posted: Mon, Aug 31 2009, 23:00 PM |
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Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: CANADA
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Galenson wrote: Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first.
any suggestion on which DM becuase thats exactly what was going through my head. _________________ 2006/2009 2nd craziest Character
Go here to learn more about Shada - http://fjook.piczo.com/?cr=3&rfm=y
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Yurell
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 0:02 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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555444333 wrote: Nekhy wrote: I am quite sure the request was for all divine classes (which I guess includes rangers in FR, btw), Emphasis added Yes! Make rangers fall too! Anyone that relies on a god for their power should run the risk of 'falling'.
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Galenson
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 0:12 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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TormakSaber wrote:
Nope, they're not alignment based at all.
And a cleric can fall!
Ooooh. -Amian- based fallen system. Never knew there was such a thing, must be something that doesn't happen often.
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Metalien
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 1:50 AM |
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Joined: 26 Jun 2006
Location: Home of The Royal Navy - Portsmouth, England.
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Clerics can fall and when they do they can request (or get forcibly given) a "Fall Widget" that weighs a lovely 15lbs and prevents you from casting your spells.. and it has a lovely message that pops up and causes your PC to spazz out whenever you cross a transition.. oh.. and it's bugged (Disco, I'm sending you a PM with regards to this).
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BlackDahlya
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 2:51 AM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2005
Location: Land of the Scorching Sun, Empowered by Global Warming
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Metalien_XC wrote: Clerics can fall and when they do they can request (or get forcibly given) a "Fall Widget" that weighs a lovely 15lbs and prevents you from casting your spells.. and it has a lovely message that pops up and causes your PC to spazz out whenever you cross a transition.. oh.. and it's bugged (Disco, I'm sending you a PM with regards to this).
No need. Just bump the thread I made about it. :P
Actually, I will do that.
I thought I was the only one suffering with the breaking of stealth when going through a transition, so I didn't want to insist on this too much.
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Yurell
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 4:38 AM |
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Metalien_XC wrote: Clerics can fall and when they do they can request (or get forcibly given) a "Fall Widget" that weighs a lovely 15lbs and prevents you from casting your spells.. and it has a lovely message that pops up and causes your PC to spazz out whenever you cross a transition.. oh.. and it's bugged (Disco, I'm sending you a PM with regards to this).
15lbs? Isn't that a little, you know, excessive?
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Metalien
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 4:43 AM |
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Joined: 26 Jun 2006
Location: Home of The Royal Navy - Portsmouth, England.
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Beats me, but that's what it weighs.
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BlackDahlya
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 4:56 AM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2005
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@ Meta & Yurell, concerning the weight:
Responsibility Weighs?
Freedom Weighs?
The Price of Betrayal?
The Consequence For Disregarding The Favor Received?
Just kidding! Don't kill me!
Anyway, I never noticed the weight. o.O
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ainjyll
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 5:05 AM |
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fjook wrote: Galenson wrote: Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first. any suggestion on which DM becuase thats exactly what was going through my head. I bet Kjetta would love to slap one on ya. He gave my character hers originally and kicked off a quite extensive bit of RP to get her powers back. _________________ "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 6:15 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Any DM is suitable.
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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Metalien
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 6:47 AM |
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Joined: 26 Jun 2006
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BlackDahlya wrote: Just kidding! Don't kill me!
*Chases Dri around with a knife*
I dunno, it doesn't realy affect me because I can carry the extra weight easily, as could most Clerics or Paladins... so it's no big deal.
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Galenson
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 9:02 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
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TormakSaber wrote: Any DM is suitable.
Except WonWon. He's getting a suntan and drinking fosters.
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Transcendental Templar
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 10:30 AM |
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Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: Deep within the Fortress of Regrets...
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Redemption quests can often be quite fun, by the way. I recall running a few, after slapping the fall widget on a couple of PCs in my time (one of which -asked- me for a fall, and elaborated on why he/she felt the fall was deserved) I think some were very entertaining.
So asking any DM for a fall, if you feel your character ICly deserves it for some misdeed, is quite alright.
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All along the watchtower!"
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Nekhy
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 10:56 AM |
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Galenson wrote: Ooooh. -Amian- based fallen system. Never knew there was such a thing, must be something that doesn't happen often.
Falling happens quite a lot, in fact. DMs get messages when a fallen PC logs in, and I've seen those a lot now, though I haven't felled anyone myself lately. But I doubt a lot of characters tell everyone that their deity cut the mana-cord thanks to unpaid bills of reverence.
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Metalien
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Posted: Tue, Sep 01 2009, 12:55 PM |
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Transcendental Templar wrote: one of which -asked- me for a fall, and elaborated on why he/she felt the fall was deserved
I asked for mine too! Yay me? 
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ClockworkRed
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Posted: Wed, Sep 02 2009, 7:36 AM |
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Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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Is monk a divine class? I thought their powers come from Ki, whatever that is, and are not given to them by a god.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Sep 02 2009, 7:41 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Monks are not divine but many monk orders are associated with a deity.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Yurell
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Posted: Wed, Sep 02 2009, 8:12 AM |
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ClockworkRed wrote: I thought their powers come from Ki, whatever that is, and are not given to them by a god.
You thought correctly AFAIK.
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Magiros
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Posted: Wed, Sep 02 2009, 8:19 AM |
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Someone mentioned all divine classes can fall. So it means druids can fall too. Would like to see em fall!
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