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survivor2009

Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 14:50 PM

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first few editions, umber hulks were chaotic evil
then at fourth it seems they are unaligned..

what's the amian umber hulk like?

Bobo_Underhill

Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 16:10 PM

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as 3.0/3.5

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Gunz

Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 21:36 PM

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Umber Hulks have been CE throughout D&D history, except now in 4.0. Amia is set in 3.0/3.5, so we ignore 4.0. They're CE for us.

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Mobile_Svensk

Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 21:37 PM

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Then somebody should check over the Umberhulks in the flayerden. Because some of them aren't evil...

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Gravemaskin

Posted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 4:50 AM

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I don't think the umberhulks or drow there are chaotic. My Axiomatic strike didn't work on them at least <.<

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Remal

Posted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 10:32 AM

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Well, considering they are turned into mindless husks who serve ilithid, I don't see reason why they would be CE anymore. As I hear, squids are very organized society...

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Mobile_Svensk

Posted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 12:21 PM

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Så just because your evil toon gets mindcontrolled by a celestial he stops being evil?
Think about that one.

Remal

Posted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 13:12 PM

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Very_Svensk wrote:

Så just because your evil toon gets mindcontrolled by a celestial he stops being evil?
Think about that one.

And you should look up "mindless husk" in the dictionary.

EDIT: don't want to sound asinine, but there's certain reason I wrote it like that.

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Ravenovf

Posted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 14:28 PM

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The Mindthrall Template in the Monsterous Manual 4 witch is primarily used to create mind flayer brain altered minions does not alter the beings alignment.

Remal

Posted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 14:46 PM

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Well, then there's something wrong with those sods, or mind flayers here utilize something different, that turns them into remote-controlled flesh dolls...but, such things are best found out ICly?

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Glim

Posted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 17:17 PM

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Locking this and posting a reminder for myself in the bug thread then. Thanks for scoping this out folks

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