Gobbledygook, I am not attacking you personally but as you keep micro quoting me in poor attempts to score points without making any this will be my last reply in this thread as tit for tat exchanges can only turn into personal attacks as you have wandered into.
I have not claimed to be unbiased, I am clearly on the side that is opposed to the pick pocket skill in its current incarnation. But I am trying to use unbiased facts in my arguments, not ridiculously biased examples that in practise would not occur. And there is nothing fair in one character getting to pit class skills vs. non class skills in an OOC manner without any RP input from either side.
At no point have I suggested the skill be removed from the game, I am however suggesting alternatives to simply making a broken system more broken. I.E. by using the skill dice system already in place which is designed for RP use.
Griefing doesn’t stop when reported to a DM at best if there is a DM on both sides are heard and then nothing is done.
The fact is there is a tool being used to grief, and there is a working alternative that not only prevents 100% of griefing but also requires the thief to make some RP effort.
Which would as you now say you want require skill + d20 vs. skill + 20 and be “fair” use the dice rolling widget or access the options via the rest menu and interact with other players Icly as your supposed to.
The pp tool removes all choice from the target player, it automatically rolls for you and tells you the outcome and tells you that your obliged to abide by it. In no other RP skill test are we required to abide by it absent any RP. And you again ignoring the fact that this is a RP server, its about players collaborating in their characters interactions, players are required to interact in meaningful RP prior to direct combat pvp, yet you and others want to partake in pvp with the pp skill and be absent any RP requirements and further more you then want to take things from the target.
I love the blue but its you who are again using your own bias to colour your words more than any change in font colour, any action where one player is set against another is pvp by definition. It doesn’t have to include mortal danger to be PVP and rule 15 could not be clearer.
Your refusal to accept this doesn’t wash I am afraid, your blue text is complete waffle posted in an attempt to smoke screen what you can’t change. Those rules are quite clear and unambiguous and they exist to regulate all pvp interactions because this is an RP server and pvp must serve to provide RP not free gold and items.
They are not some wishy washy “technicalities” and I quoted the specific rule in full so I am unclear in what way I “misquoted” anything, and the reason I quoted rule 15 is that it specifically deals with “being robbed” I don’t believe that “being robbed” is open to much by way of interpretation.
And I have never said that using the pick pocket skill breaks this rule, what I have argued is that pick pocket skill should never be able to take gold or items from a player and give it to another player as this would break the letter and the spirit of rule 15.
Also please make up your mind as to weather the PP widget as it is, is either fair or unfair….
In your first two retorts you indicate that the system is unfair.
But after your blue smoke screen you then state I am trying to remove something that is fair…
I have never said I would discount someone’s RP if it wasn’t good enough for me, I have said that if the RP is absent altogether and yet they demand I abide by a skill roll then this wont happen. Were on an RP server, I expect….no I DEMAND that players who want to manipulate my characters in anyway do so with RP interactions and not just roll a dice and demand I abide by it.
Honestly if you are only going to try to score points with your own “misquotes” and outright lies and distortions of what I have said rather than making any actual points I would rather you reconsidered quoting me at all.
Players are not exempt from the server RP focused rules and player expectations because of their own free choice of skills.
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