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(Get rid of all the Human Subraces.)

I find this line of thinking hilarious. Are we running out of room for our Avariel Half-Deep Dragon Earth Genasi Ogrillons?

Pixie's are gone? D: But now who will engage in happy-fun-wine-baths with Ranth?

I can appreciate trying to avoid the almost-pixie-plague that occurred a while back, but...
Judging from the wording of that, they can still be made, just with the feytouched racial traits instead? That's fine, then. So long as my fellow little glittery friends are still hanging about the place.

As for human subraces, I've just made my first character with one. A Chult, as it happens. And I'm having to rebuild him to remove his ranger levels because of the very thing that was stated by Mosh. No Ubtao, no spells, and makes no sense. But thus far, I'd say yeah, either nerf or remove all the human subraces. If they, say, gave no ability modifiers, but only gave a feat and a small penalty to compensate, they'd be interesting choices that you could build a character around, as opposed to the choice being primarily about stats. Though I seem to remember it being said that doing this would require rebuilds for every human-subraced PC, and thus would be a colossal effort...

Can we pretend I'm stupid for a short moment, and someone explain to me what the problem with Chultans is? If the only issue is that Ubtao isn't mechanically available in game, isn't the better fix just adding Ubtao?

Lizzie wrote:

Can we pretend I'm stupid for a short moment, and someone explain to me what the problem with Chultans is? If the only issue is that Ubtao isn't mechanically available in game, isn't the better fix just adding Ubtao?

in lore, Ubtao is contractually forbidden from giving anyone divine power outside the borders of Chultan.

... oh. Hm. Yeah, that's a problem.

I just realised something.

If Pixie has been removed as a subrace, does that mean I can't rebuild my pixie?

Garnith wrote:

I just realised something.

If Pixie has been removed as a subrace, does that mean I can't rebuild my pixie?

No.

Cerpin Taxt wrote:

Garnith wrote:

I just realised something.

If Pixie has been removed as a subrace, does that mean I can't rebuild my pixie?

No.

No I can't?
Damn. Welp, there goes the plan to make Ranth actually have a strength score appropriate for his size.

You probably wont be able to do a total self rebuild, but you'll be able to be de-leveled and re-leveled I believe. Though I'm probably wrong.

Anywho, in regards to summoning scrolls, how is it they are able to 'detect' your alignment and summon X creature from it? So far I've been complained to by people for saying it was whoever wrote the scroll that is responsible for the type of creature it summoned, but it does strike me as odd that a scroll is able to detect your alignment AND summon a creature.

Richard_Edmund wrote:

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Anywho, in regards to summoning scrolls, how is it they are able to 'detect' your alignment and summon X creature from it? So far I've been complained to by people for saying it was whoever wrote the scroll that is responsible for the type of creature it summoned, but it does strike me as odd that a scroll is able to detect your alignment AND summon a creature.

You can pretty much ask the same thing for actual casters - how does spell they cast detect their alignment too? If it works for them, why wouldn't it work for scroll, which is, if I remember correctly, "spell completion" item type.

From SRD:

Quote:

Spell Completion

This is the activation method for scrolls. A scroll is a spell that is mostly finished. The preparation is done for the caster, so no preparation time is needed beforehand as with normal spellcasting. All that’s left to do is perform the finishing parts of the spellcasting (the final gestures, words, and so on). To use a spell completion item safely, a character must be of high enough level in the right class to cast the spell already. If he can’t already cast the spell, there’s a chance he’ll make a mistake. Activating a spell completion item is a standard action and provokes attacks of opportunity exactly as casting a spell does.

Technically, spell isn't finished, it finishes when you say final words, and in that case, spell works as it works for the original caster - aka it detects your alignment (in the same way it does for caster) and summons appropriate creature.

I'd say most of the problem comes down to mechanics limitations. But from an IC perspective some of the reasoning may be a bit ehh. I don't know how the whole spell/scribing thing works for specific effects, like a simple change in wording that may specify what creature is summoned, or if the scroll is just the template to summon a creature so to speak and the reader summons a creature based on their own preference, as in they read the 'template' but will the summoning of a specific creature - which is also limited by mechanics and the only way to get a summon other than Amian standard is to pay for a reskin.

Also I'm not entirely sure but I'd maybe suspect an Evil being would have more trouble summoning a Gold Dragon to serve him/her/it than an inherently evil creature. I couldn't say for certain, though.

Garnith wrote:

Cerpin Taxt wrote:

Garnith wrote:

I just realised something.

If Pixie has been removed as a subrace, does that mean I can't rebuild my pixie?

No.

No I can't?
Damn. Welp, there goes the plan to make Ranth actually have a strength score appropriate for his size.

Don't put negatives into a question if you can't follow the order. You can still rebuild.

Garnith, I'd imagine if you rebuilt then you'd just have to go with Feytouched as newly-requests will have to. Otherwise you get to keep Ranth as he is.

Cerpin Taxt wrote:

Don't put negatives into a question if you can't follow the order. You can still rebuild.

Sorry, I r bad at words.

Anubis wrote:

Garnith, I'd imagine if you rebuilt then you'd just have to go with Feytouched as newly-requests will have to. Otherwise you get to keep Ranth as he is.

Richard_Edmund wrote:

You probably wont be able to do a total self rebuild, but you'll be able to be de-leveled and re-leveled I believe. Though I'm probably wrong.

This seems to be how it is. The issue is I'm fairly sure I put points into strength at first level, to counteract the massive penalty he had. Rebuilding into feytouched just isn't worth it; how can I escape the endless stream of nets and bottles without my movement speed buff? D: Much better to be inexplicably able to carry almost as much as your average halfling. Still, knowing that I can de/relevel is nice. Thanks for the answers.

You aren't the only pixie still skulking about. Xera will keep an eye out for Ranth.

LetumLux wrote:

(Get rid of all the Human Subraces.)

You know as well as I that's not feasible.

Garnith wrote:

Cerpin Taxt wrote:

Don't put negatives into a question if you can't follow the order. You can still rebuild.

Sorry, I r bad at words.

Anubis wrote:

Garnith, I'd imagine if you rebuilt then you'd just have to go with Feytouched as newly-requests will have to. Otherwise you get to keep Ranth as he is.

Richard_Edmund wrote:

You probably wont be able to do a total self rebuild, but you'll be able to be de-leveled and re-leveled I believe. Though I'm probably wrong.

This seems to be how it is. The issue is I'm fairly sure I put points into strength at first level, to counteract the massive penalty he had. Rebuilding into feytouched just isn't worth it; how can I escape the endless stream of nets and bottles without my movement speed buff? D: Much better to be inexplicably able to carry almost as much as your average halfling. Still, knowing that I can de/relevel is nice. Thanks for the answers.

All pixies have been grandfathered. You can make as many rebuild requests as you like, but I may ask you to provide all the other roleplay that is necessary for playing a pixie. lures/banes/cynosure/court/cycles. So make sure you know all that stuff before making a request.

Silent2001 wrote:

All pixies have been grandfathered. You can make as many rebuild requests as you like, but I may ask you to provide all the other roleplay that is necessary for playing a pixie. lures/banes/cynosure/court/cycles. So make sure you know all that stuff before making a request.

Really? Awesome. I have all that info. I'll probably wait till I get a request out, though, seeing as I have another I'm focusing on at the moment.

When using a craft wand feat, does extend spell affect to the duration of the selected spell over a wand ?

alamut wrote:

When using a craft wand feat, does extend spell affect to the duration of the selected spell over a wand ?

No.

I thank you.
Also, by saying that if you build a toon with craft wand feat and sell those wands to an trading organization such as Copper Kins, and another toon you possess manages to buy those wands from the trading organization. Would that be allowed ?

alamut wrote:

I thank you.
Also, by saying that if you build a toon with craft wand feat and sell those wands to an trading organization such as Copper Kins, and another toon you possess manages to buy those wands from the trading organization. Would that be allowed ?

No, you can't outfit Mikal with the wands he needs for the Khem event by making them on another of your characters and shipping them through Copper Industries.

Thanks for answering. Not only Khem's event, of course. Not sure yet if I'll be able to attend to it doing OOC issues, not RL issues. I hope to solve it in time, but it doesn't depend on me actually.

The Khem event is all forum side. Say you're there, and you're there.

General Question:
Folks entering gates via invisibility or stealth without a DM around, ruling? Seems like guards would be pretty trained to seeing a gate open without a person walking through. Or the gate wouldn't actually open without some talking to the guard, etc. Its just a in game mechanical limitation perhaps. Idk... Any ruling on this?

If someone is banned from a settlement and enter under invisibility or stealth without a DM present, they are breaking the rules. Just wanted to get that out of the way, haha.

Now if you are just wondering about going in/out for the average person ... I dunno.

Just the average folk. Been in Djedet a lot lately. Watching that gate open and close. I'll look at the player list and see mostly drow and characters I know are tiefling or Orcs. Not saying its them or targetting a group. But it could be they are a banned race.

Even if just an average joe. Been wondering how that works. Seems like going in or stealth or invis would get you a halberd slammed into htat open space pretty quickly for guards no?

I think for the average joe it's covered by the assumption that the guards can either see you with Spot or See Invis. That's the basis for calling it metagaming for doing it when you are banned, after all, since it's assumed the guards See All when not DM-possessed.

I'd just TS/See Invis it up all the time to make sure and screenie anyone that is not supposed to be there :3

I have a question regarding darkvision and 'special writing'. I recall reading somewhere (I might have made this up in my fantastical delusions, too) that there is something that shows up only to people with darkvision. I think it was a special kind of writing (ie ink or something), or maybe it was just a spell? I'm not referring to arcane writing, but something that people without darkvision specifically cannot see. I think I read it in some place about drow, but I would imagine any darkvision-based race could read it, too.

Naivatkal wrote:

I have a question regarding darkvision and 'special writing'. I recall reading somewhere (I might have made this up in my fantastical delusions, too) that there is something that shows up only to people with darkvision. I think it was a special kind of writing (ie ink or something), or maybe it was just a spell? I'm not referring to arcane writing, but something that people without darkvision specifically cannot see. I think I read it in some place about drow, but I would imagine any darkvision-based race could read it, too.

I know of a ring that makes you invisible from the perspective of any creature that solely uses darkvision to see (Ring of the Darkhidden) and I think I recall a special ink that doesn't appear when viewed exclusively by darkvision and requires 'natural' light to reveal (I can't remember where I saw that at the moment)...

I actually seem to recall it being written that normally reading is in fact impossible with darkvision. Same mechanism as the "no colour" issue. I'm not sure if that's actually true nor where I read it, though.

Ahh, some more along the lines of those with darkvision cannot read it?
That would actually make sense, also, and could have been what I was thinking of.

I'm not terribly good at this sort of thing, so I'd also ask what might be readable to only those with darkvision? I think, though, that it would have to be magical in nature to work in tandem with the darkvision trait. I doubt anything natural or crafted could just work like that without being enchanted.

Well, considering the fact that things that aren't illuminated are only visible to creatures with darkvision, the only thing that comes to my mind creatively speaking is a light-sensitive ink that burns off in the presence of light.

I know of a magical ink that is visible in the dark, but nothing you specifically need augmented vision to see. Making an ink that is only visible with augmented vision is just a matter of adding a glamer to it, though.

Or finding the right alchemical substance, ala UV light reactive spy pens!

Why is it easier to score on a touch attack? Seems like trying to grab someone with your bare hand would be harder than with a sword. Sheer physics and mathematics there, the whole distance thing, lack of leverage, etc. Would be easier to block with a sword or a shield, unless it works through these things?

Not really mathematics or physics. It's much easier to wield your hand than it is a sword, and if someone is attempting to touch you they could just shove there body against you flail like a fish till they do. They only need to stroke a shield, or caress a thigh plate.

Silent2001 wrote:

Not really mathematics or physics. It's much easier to wield your hand than it is a sword, and if someone is attempting to touch you they could just shove there body against you flail like a fish till they do. They only need to stroke a shield, or caress a thigh plate.

Oh baby, you can stroke my thigh plate all night long! <3

New character concept: Completely touch-based attacking. He will launch himself at people and flop around like a fish out of water until he get the attack.

Naivatkal wrote:

New character concept: Completely touch-based attacking. He will launch himself at people and flop around like a fish out of water until he get the attack.

y u mock monk class bro

The point is precisely that you only need to touch them. Dodge AC represents dodging a blow, Armor means your gear absorbs it, and Deflection means you, well, Deflect it. You can't really absorb or deflect a Touch Attack because they're not trying to hit through your defenses with a weapon, they just want to touch you.

IronAngel wrote:

they just want to touch you.

But no means no ._.

IronAngel wrote:

The point is precisely that you only need to touch them. Dodge AC represents dodging a blow, Armor means your gear absorbs it, and Deflection means you, well, Deflect it. You can't really absorb or deflect a Touch Attack because they're not trying to hit through your defenses with a weapon, they just want to touch you.

Deflection bonuses should add to your Touch AC. Is that not how it works in NWN?

I'm just going to change my signature to that question.

Mathus Emmerech, the land fish.

Magikarp is the same as Mathus Emmerech... Just say it fast.

Deflection applies to touch AC in NWN. At least I think so.

Deflection applies to touch, along with dodge, and dexterity modifiers.

Did you see how many touch attacks that thing got in?! Definitely a monk fish.

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