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There already is a new settlement? And it's for drow only? Well that's sad. I can only hope and trust Glim has some ace up his sleeve because that set up didn't work the first three times. It's bad. And it's boring, and not very believable: why would there only be Lolthite drow when every second drow you meet should be something else, statistically? And how can the culture survive without outside connections when its population keeps dying in disasters? It just doesn't make sense.

I know there is L'Obsul, and before that there was Underport. But they're not designed very well to be hubs of RP with their own districts, and they failed when the drow players were allowed to set out and build their own city. Which is sort of hard to refuse OOC, but they didn't realize they just shot themself in the foot. There should never have been more than one big Underdark settlement, and it shouldn't be exclusively drow or Lolthite.

People are, as usual, just jumping to conclusions Iron. Change is bad yo.

The discussion on how to custom tailor your perfect underdark society ooc is not helping much at this point. If you are interrested in roleplaying in the underdark and you would like to see it change more to your taste, then participate in the roleplay and contribute through a character. There is nothing preventing you to work to bring people to L'obsul and work to create something that caters more to your taste. If you are not interrested, well, then it does not really matter much how your paradise underdark would be like.

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Glim wrote:

This is getting ridiculous, to be frank. Keep it civil and keep the IC happenings out of your examples. You guys know not to bring up IC issues in an OOC thread.

Fi messaged me and I realized that my last post probably makes it looks like I'm all pissed off and stuff. Just wanted to clarify I'm not! She wasn't intending to say we were metagaming, so it was misread, and that was the only thing that made me go

Beyond that, if I have brought up anything that was IC it was not with the intent to bicker or 'air dirty laundry' (which I don't like seeing on the forums myself), it's been to provide examples and such. So if it's come off that way, it was not the intent since this is all discussion-based in my opinion and so far things have been civil in my mind (save my unintentional 'flying off the handle'). I'll gladly keep even that out of things, though, to keep it running smooth. For myself I've only been trying to illustrate the IC as well as the OOC, since the majority things are being decided IC with IC reasoning rather than OOC.

Glim wrote:

People are, as usual, just jumping to conclusions Iron. Change is bad yo.

I will add, however, that a portion of the leaked out irritations is from people that assume things about the society/settlement being created without actually experiencing things IC. It is one thing to be an armchair drow it's another to get in and see what's shaping up. I've been doing my best to correct some of the misconceptions being had about what's going on.

Honeydew Snugglepoof wrote:

The discussion on how to custom tailor your perfect underdark society ooc is not helping much at this point. If you are interrested in roleplaying in the underdark and you would like to see it change more to your taste, then participate in the roleplay and contribute through a character. There is nothing preventing you to work to bring people to L'obsul and work to create something that caters more to your taste. If you are not interrested, well, then it does not really matter much how your paradise underdark would be like.

Exactly this.

For the record, the 'new city' is the culmination of learning from mistakes made in the past and offering something fresh and innovative. So far folks are loving it. If you doubt me, I invite you to join in on the fun first hand!

'City yet to be given a name by the Players' is the newest and smallest city of Amia's UD. Players have the freedom to run things as they will and their fate is in their hands. It was designed from the ground up to offer every facet of -Any- Drow society an opportunity to shine. Presently the players have chosen to roll with Lolthite culture. Weekly oversight events hosting on average (so far) 20+ Drow players in addition to other UD racial characters, help keep the ball rolling in this regard.

I hardly believe it to be a shot in the foot that our players want to have control. So far, as a DM, I love the initiative folks are showing when faced with a new location that stands to be Home/Plot/Dungeon all rolled into one!

Outside of the new city and Drow RP, there are many other avenues available. As was stated above, if you have some ideas and are willing to put in the groundwork as a PC, I am plenty happy to work with you.

Oh I don't care what kind of a society the PCs create, as long as it isn't enforced by NPCs and as long as the surrounding reality is as diverse and unhospitable as one should expect from the Underdark. Previously, the drow have been pampered with private NPC armies, no dissenting voices and not even much need to interact with other races. That's the kind of thing that I imagine you've done away with and the kind of thing I'm talking about. If all Amian PCs happen to be fanatic Lolthites, then that's the society they'll create; but we shouldn't expect the NPC population (of various races) that vastly outnumbers the PC population to go along with it.

Anyhow, I didn't even know there was a new city in already. I tried to ask around and nobody told me, I just got the impression Edonil was just now destroyed. I tried to get out of L'Obsul but it's so confusing I didn't know which way to walk. >_>

20 Drow players is being exorbitantly generous.

It is not. I left shortly before the event started, and that number is rather accurate.

If that's true, I'd very much like to be 21.

Twenty one was some snotty snouted kobold. :wink:

IronAngel wrote:

Anyhow, I didn't even know there was a new city in already. I tried to ask around and nobody told me, I just got the impression Edonil was just now destroyed. I tried to get out of L'Obsul but it's so confusing I didn't know which way to walk. >_>

Tee-hee it really is confusing. And you should have asked me when I saw you on, I would have told you ;p
They are actually working on that, and I have high faith in Glim & Co.

IronAngel wrote:

Oh I don't care what kind of a society the PCs create, as long as it isn't enforced by NPCs and as long as the surrounding reality is as diverse and unhospitable as one should expect from the Underdark. Previously, the drow have been pampered with private NPC armies, no dissenting voices and not even much need to interact with other races.

Well then where the hell was Edonil's army XD There were forty combatants that survived. Forty. We did not have that many guards and spider guard as one might think, haha. But, then, Cordor has the same thing. Pretty much nothing can touch them unless outside forces intervene. Kohl, too, really.

Join usss Bini. More fuel for the war machine!

DustSpray101 wrote:

'City yet to be given a name by the Players'

I think you'll find we decided to call it Victyrville.

Err, oops, I did not mean to post that.

I meant to quote the later part of Iron's post. Damnit. Oh well, I still +1000000 that too.

Victyr is getting ideas again. Clearly we've been getting lax with his punishment regime.

DustSpray101 wrote:

It was designed from the ground up to offer every facet of -Any- Drow society an opportunity to shine.

I'd love to see some of our ridiculously high surface drow population try to start up an underdarker Eilisitraee movement, then. (I'm looking at you, Ravenovf.

)

That could get interesting...

Oh don't worry, we're make pies out of them, take their places, and sell them in a Bendir bakesale. It will be like the Scary Story about the butcher that made the best sausage ... out of children.

So you are proposing a Lolthite Sweeney Todd? Only with a butcher instead of a barber?

>_>
I know better than to propose potentially dangerous things to a DM!

We tried with L'Obsul, man. We tried damn hard. Edonil wasn't even sucking away our playerbase, it was just... I don't know what went wrong. But I feel we were chasing the wind.

IronAngel wrote:

why would there only be Lolthite drow when every second drow you meet should be something else, statistically?

Well to be fair, drow societies don't exactly make up a random sample very well. Most Eilies go one way, most Raunies go another way. I think Lolthites are /still/ in the majority. I'm counting Selvetarm followers as Lolthites btw, because while there is a surprisingly sizable following in the new drow society they typically keep among the Lolthites anyway.

DustSpray101 wrote:

For the record, the 'new city' is the culmination of learning from mistakes made in the past and offering something fresh and innovative. So far folks are loving it. If you doubt me, I invite you to join in on the fun first hand!

'City yet to be given a name by the Players' is the newest and smallest city of Amia's UD. Players have the freedom to run things as they will and their fate is in their hands. It was designed from the ground up to offer every facet of -Any- Drow society an opportunity to shine. Presently the players have chosen to roll with Lolthite culture. Weekly oversight events hosting on average (so far) 20+ Drow players in addition to other UD racial characters, help keep the ball rolling in this regard.

I hardly believe it to be a shot in the foot that our players want to have control. So far, as a DM, I love the initiative folks are showing when faced with a new location that stands to be Home/Plot/Dungeon all rolled into one!

Outside of the new city and Drow RP, there are many other avenues available. As was stated above, if you have some ideas and are willing to put in the groundwork as a PC, I am plenty happy to work with you.

sounds like Edonil when we made it

take that one how you want

I'm still a little disappointed every time I hear the word 'city'. The population is what, 200 people? That's the average village in the medieval world. A market town is in the 1000s, at most we might be able to push that, but at the moment we're a village pretending to be great, and calling 200 NPCs a city is... well.. a stretch both IC and OOC to me (this has come up in IC discussions, which is where I'm getting the numbers from).

I don't know, I'd like to see our population numbers treated more realistically, and that has been raised IC, but only to a couple of individual males because dying is not on my list of things to do.

Dusty and I are working on getting a better picture formed of exactly what this new nation/province/city/town/village/hamlet/cottage will entail, and what there is to work with any such. Once we've got it sorted, we'll get you guys a better picture of things.

*cough* Just remember the possible implications of disagreeing with the verbage used ICly by the women-folk. I caught Un's comment, and choose to have Zrae not hear it :3

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