So, the title. Yes. Cyric doesn't make sense to me, but maybe I'm just reading too much into it with what little info I've got. I really want to attempt to make a character who worships him and is a devout Cleric of the god, but I'm struggling at the minute to understand how Cyric works.

I mean... I want to play Evil, but Cyric's dogma and everything pretty much screams out at you to play "Stupid Evil'', which is not fun to do, let's face it. I don't have a wealth of lore to peruse (my only experience with DnD is video games), so I've only got what limited info I've found online.

But so far my major gripe is with his dogma, portfolio and alignment seeming to contradict each other.

His dogma (from what I've found) states:

Death to all who oppose Cyric. Bow down before his supreme power, and yield to him the blood of those that do not believe in his supremacy. Fear and obey those in authority, but slay those that are weak, of good persuasion, or false prophets. Battle against clergy of other faiths, for they are false prophets and forces who oppose the One True Way. Bring death to those that oppose Cyric's church or make peace, order, and laws, for only Cyric is the true authority and all other authority must be subverted. Break not into open rebellion, for marching armies move the false deities into action. Fell one foe at a time and keep all folk afraid, uneasy, and in constant strife. Any method or means is justified if it brings about the desired end

So, yeah. Breaking it down he's Chaotic Evil and his dogma tells his followers to kill those who oppose him, to destroy anyone who doesn't follow him, destroy all law and order and to generally be a bad apple.

But in his portfolio is the concept (or whatever you call them) "Intrigue".

So, my gripe is ... how the f**k do you try to spread strife and chaos through subtle "intrigue" style manners when you're god is pretty much telling you to go all Hulk and smash stuff by being Chaotic Stupid Evil?

To me the subtle way to worship Cyric would be to attain some position of power, say in a city counsel or some such, and achieve some measure of power (after all Cyric is a god obsessed with gaining power). Then, when the moment is right completely subvert your position and everything into absolute chaos, by forcefully using the influential power you've gained. Thus holding true to Cyric's general message of sowing strife and chaos.

But would this in fact be deemed going too 'Lawful Evil', say by gaining some Lawful position. Or would it be excusable as a means to an end? After all his dogma does state that he accepts taking any means towards an eventual end. As long as, I presume at least, the end is eventual discord and chaos. A villainous master plan and all that.

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Consider this:

"Death to those who oppose Cyric."

Anything in the dogma compelling you to carry out such through the most direct means possible? Not really. You can kill as much with manipulation and subterfuge, as you can with a knife.

"Fear and obey those in authority, but slay those that are weak, of good persuasion, or false prophets."
"Bring death to those that oppose Cyric's church or make peace, order, and laws, for only Cyric is the true authority and all other authority must be subverted."

What I don't get, he wants you to obey those in authority, but then a few lines later he wants you to kill all other authorities?

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You can also be completely ruthless and careless with no moral or ethical code to live by. Like deciding to just let someone die despite having the means to help them because 'why not?' Or even possibly 'helping them' to their death through whatever means you have on hand at the time.

I always think of the Joker when I think of a Cyricist or Cyric himself. The guy without a plan.

This is what I'd actually be inclined to believe and behave like, if I do go through with making a Cyric worshiper. But to me it still conflicts with the overall "Chaotic Evil" alignment that Cyric boasts.

Subterfuge, manipulation and intrigue is something that would be done in a delicate, precise and balanced manner. Shielding yourself against harm via manipulation of law and what not, or other likewise actions. That'd be doing it that way. But then Cyric goes and tells you to kill all law and order and do it for him. Just ... ?!?! What?!?!

Cyric strikes me more as a bombastic, loud "kill everyone and their dog if they appose me" style deity, whereas the other style is more inclined to follow Mask I think.

Maybe it's me getting bogged down in the whole concept of alignment again, but I always presume that DnD and these style things deal in more absolute concepts than more nebulous free forming things. God's do what they say on the tin, and followers should likewise adhere.



That's precisely why I'm getting a bit bogged down in this! He makes no sense! My only thought now is that Cyric's greatest joke, and the reason he embodies Chaos, is the fact that his entire dogma he gives out makes absolutely no coherent sense. You couldn't enact everything he asks without some kind of aneurism His dogma itself is contradictory so as to sow strife even amongst those who follow him.

What a hoot.

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The answer, as they say, is in the asking. That is just what happens when a given faith draws in chaotic, mercurial, selfish, and sometimes murderous people. The individual does not have to be Chaotic Stupid. Think more along the lines of the smart and capable criminal who nonetheless falls prey to the base st of motivations. Thus the struggle is both internal and external, and Cyric's reigning domains of strife (and at its extreme, murder) come perfectly into play.

At the minute Cyric does seem like quite the interesting god to be following, simply for the fact that the questions I'm posing now could easily translate into actual RP in my character studying his faith.

BUT THE OTHER thing that is now bugging me about it all is the fact that Cyric can be worshipped by Chaotic Neutral characters. So, is it possible then to make a devout Cleric of Cyric who is Chaotic Neutral?

I mean.. I want to make a Tiefling, with the base race of Halfling. Hin are not an inherently evil race at all, far from it. They count no evil gods amongst their own pantheon. So, even with fiendish blood there'd be a predilection to non-evil. So the grand ol' balancing act of nature v. other nature to me would balance this character at a Chaotic Neutral setting, something I'm more than happy to play.

But Cyric interests me very much as a player, and as such I want to make a character who follows this interest himself, despite not being utterly evil and debased and "insane", because that's just .. not fun anymore.

So, Cleric he would be. Oh yes.

I always assumed though that if one decides to become a Cleric and follow a god, then you follow his dogma and approach to the letter. You attempt to embody what they stand for to shine as a beacon and embodiment of that god's message.

So how can you be a Chaotic Neutral person, one who ... say... doesn't kill because they're a tad squeemish about that sort of stuff, or see no grand purpose because let's say... the more people they are alive, the more potential for people to cause strife and chaos exists...but still be a Cleric to a god who tells you to kill everyone but him? Why would he allow you blessings if you don't do as he asks?

In reading about him Cyric has absolutely no allies counted amongst any of the other gods, and pretty much he is hated and reviled by gods from all alignment spectrums.

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Good questions.

First of all, understand that in the Forgotten Realms, polytheism is normal. Some players will argue with you on this, but in my viewpoint it only makes sense. Some of the deities are bad people, and they represent bad things, but bad things are a normal part of one's life, and so there is an extent to which even the lay person may at times seek the counsel of a priest of an evil deity. Cyric seems a real stretch on this, but imagine the following scenario:

Your brother murdered the man who was sleeping with his wife. You know his wife was a filthy whore, but he doesn't deserve a rap like this. You care a great deal about your brother - or, perhaps, you care a great deal about him because he has some dirt on you, is essential for a criminal enterprise you run, because he's the only thing standing between you and certain death, etc. - but you're pretty powerless to help him now that he's being hunted by the law. (Or has been arrested.) You could turn and pray for mercy from Tyr, but PSH. The god of law will show no mercy to someone who actually committed the crime, extenuating circumstances be damned (she was a whore!) You could pray to Tymora for good luck for him, or to Beshaba to turn away his bad luck, but either way, you're rolling the dice and your odds have never been that great. You could pray to a deity to help you turn your life around so that you don't need your brother's help any longer, but those gods and their clerics are always going to want their cut - for you to change your lifestyle, to give to the poor, to donate more of your time to their cause than you are willing or able to give. And then there's Cyric. Ah, good old Cyric, the patron saint of Murderers. If you pray to him, he might intercede on your brother's behalf. But more directly, if you go to a priest of his, that priest might have what your brother needs. So you do, and the next thing you know, the old woman across the street from your brother's house who saw the murder dies of natural causes (falling down the stairs is perfectly natural at her age!), the dead man's family goes mum and drops any charges, and the wayward wife starts seeing things more clearly through two black eyes.

Yeah. Cyric's your guy when it comes to getting a murderer off. Of course, now you and bro owe the faith a little something...

The person at the core of this is not a cleric of Cyric, but more or less becomes a de facto lay follower of Cyric. Meaning he could be perfectly CN, let his brother do all the killing while he washes the blood off the gold. And then a person like that can grow into a devoted priest to Cyric but retain a CN alignment. I would argue that he would not retain it for long, oh no.

The figure in this scenario is certainly chaotic neutral. He is cowardly and has genuine fears and has an ingrained mistrust of the law, for the obvious reasons that so often the law stands between him and gratification. While his brother may likely be some form of evil for killing a man in cold blood, the figure here prefers to let his brother be the bloodletter and may even have reservations regarding the morality of murder (following a quasi-golden rule: I don't want to be murdered, so I don't want anyone else to be murdered, either!)

But the more this CN person hangs around a Cyricist and learns of the dogma, the more he understands it.

I believe the "fear and obey this in authority" is printed unclearly. It is probably meant to be in reference to leaders in the Cyricist faith. Fear and obey those in authority within the Cult of Cyric (thus it becomes the dogma that TRIES to make these Chaotic aligned people work together against their natures), but slay those in the cult that are weak and have nothing to bring to the table, are of good alignment (but perhaps there out of desperation; both of these are likely to destroy a cell), and false prophets (cut his throat! If he bleeds, he wasn't a real Cyricist!)

It is not unreasonable to imagine a CN person being granted clerical powers by Cyric, but it is difficult to imagine them remaining CN forever. You see, Cyric has an advantage in giving a CN person his power as a cleric. One day, probably sooner rather than later, they are going to go over the deep end. The use of his power and the propigation of his dogma almost guarantee it. So to him, the CN cleric is just as good as the CE cleric, and paladins with low Sense Motive who rely purely on that stupid 18 second stare would never notice the guy!

The CN cleric probably has an overlap in his sense of what it means to serve Cyric and what it means to serve himself. The figure in the above scenario, a CN priest we'll say at some point, could become a public figure who advocates the repeal of the death penalty because he knows that his brother was almost unfairly slain, or argues against the election or appointment of a popular sheriff because that sheriff is the one who accused his brother. Thus serving Cyric is just as much if not more of a personal matter to him than a matter of faith. Or he takes the less public route and uses questionably gained money to purchase safehouses, which he offers at a small price to people fleeing the law, especially murderers. He becomes a quiet information broker, selling information back and forth to make money, not giving a good god damn about what it does to anybody and maybe even manufacturing information that leads to calumny while he makes off with the bank.

There are plenty of other roads to take in this, I am sure, but you can see how it is only a matter of time before the CN priest of Cyric eventually drifts into evil territory. It comes with the territory.

Therefore, your "story" with a CN cleric of Cyric is just that: the follower of Cyric's dogma who is somewhere between devoted and serving his own wants (Cyric just wants everyone to have a good time, yeah?) and is facing the inexorably slide towards evil as his lifestyle, one way or another, forces him to commit greater and greater atrocities. And then a time will come when he has to make a determination. Oh, if you play it right, he can be hella clever and try to keep his nose clean and the dirt out from under his fingers, but that's the challenge in your roleplay. The war will always be both within and without.

The fiendish blood could serve a purpose in being a motivating factor for the PC never having really gotten along with the good or the lawful. It isn't so much that his blood drives him to be wicked, it's that his appearance and nature drive the good and the lawful to always keep him at arm's length and never instill in him the necessary trust and consideration he feels he needs. And as a hin, he doesn't have a lot of muscle to back up any hardball he tries to play, so that will force you to be crafty.

Not trying to make your character for you, but I hope that something in this helps to inspire a better idea of where you could go with the concept.

Isn't Cyric also a god who got where he is by killing the god before him, and then was driven insane by another god? I'd imagine he's most likely to attract the already criminally insane.

If Cyric is to much a enigma you should see his brother. Ciryc whose dogma is "love and hugs to all who oppose me".

Does he still have intrigue tho? I thought Mask got it back.

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Life should be prolonged only when it serves the greater cause of the death of the world.

Mask never got it back.

At his core, Cyric is very, very simple:

"The only rule is 'Cyric > everything else'. Make it happen, worm."

He doesn't care how you achieve that. The more people fear him, the more powerful he gets, and the more followers he gets because people are, rightly so, afraid that someone so unscrupelous who's been pissing in the faces of all the other gods since he became one and is still around to tell the tale is going to end up winning. He is, easily, the most successful evil deity in Toril's history (aside, perhaps, Shar, but she takes longer and is less flashy). And that's why people worship him. He doesn't care, he just wants power, and if you'e in his way, god or mortal, you gotta go six feet under.

His madness is fairly unique as well. It's clear-cut megalomania, defined through his own workings, and making him, genuinely, believe he is de facto the only god in existence and the rest are just figments of peoples' imaginations. As "only actual god", he of course wants his due...hence the total war on literally everyone else by any means necessary. And it's working, for the most part of third edition's timeline.

As far as clerics of Cyric are concerned, they implicitely share the god's madness through the divine connection a priest has with his god and, as they gain levels and said connection grows stronger, grow progressively more insane and act more like him. This is why they are called "Voice of Cyric". The madness isn't a directionless, giggly kill kill kill bit, but, in a polytheistic setting, firm, unyielding monotheism. They don't see Faerunian reality like it actually is.

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I really do love the idea there and agree that if a CN person did start to worship Cyric it would just be the inevitable slippery slope to CE for him. Simply by virtue of the nature of his god. And any advancement he would want to make within his own church would certainly require a large amount of backstabbing (more likely than not literally) and death, due to pretty much everyone around him being pretty darn bad apples struggling for the same power. You could only be a ground level worshipper and maintain your CN status, methinks.

However, though I do love the concept of the slope into truly chaotic evil from a more neutral stand point, I don't think I'd be able to pull it off. More through the fact that I'm not exactly going to set the world on fire with my brand of RP, and the concept demands a great amount of time and other player interaction. Something, owing to my real life job and all that, I kinda don't have the chance for due to limited hours and dodgy timezones.

Instead for my own eventual character I'm going full blown CE to start off, having had the more CN to CE transition happen off screen in the character's backstory. Instead he, at his Amia starting point, would maintain and promote the principles of lies, chaos and strife throughout the land right from the get go.

But! There is always potential that I could always twist the above concept and instead try and BE the priest you described who, through attempting to cash in on a favour or some such, could attempt to convert another CN inclined player character into a Cyric worshiping evil bastard.



Fair point. I'm slightly unsure. There is a fair bit of history for him as a god, but I'm not sure at what point in the timeline Amia currently occupies. He certainly stole the portfolio of Intrigue from Mask at one point, however.

And the "intrigue" concept which I struggled with in wrapping my head around is hinted at (through further reading) by being used by Cyric through him doing this:



What a fun guy Cyric is.

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This as well. Leveling occurs at quite the rapid rate into epic on Amia, so baring just being a purely RP style character, my conceptual guy's "divine connection" would be evidently growing quite quickly (through casting higher level spells and all that jazz) within himself. So, CE is more of a decent Amia style basing to go from, and from their convert other folks.

And I also hadn't considered the whole "Cyric is the one true god, bruv. All others are like ... lies, man" aspect! Great thought their too .. going around claiming all other cleric's are just charlatan wizards with no true divine connection, just pretending and lying... which... wait a minute. That's Cyric's portfolio!

Hell, it works even better claiming every other cleric is a wizard or faker due to the rampant use of UMD to enable most characters to have and use everything on the server, and the level of easily accessible magic being what it is.

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Cyric is mad with delusions of grandeur after reading his own book which he made to convince everyone else how superiour he is.

That's probably why his dogma is so bombastic and unrealistic. I think an exemple is him wanting people to fear his authority. And that while fear of that kind is quite solidly in Bane's pocket.



Whut? The Joker is a great planner (Atleast in the movies), he always has a back-up plan for if he is caught and always tries to be a step ahead and predict how people will respond to his moves (He does assume people will react selfishly and gets enraged when they don't.)
His plans are just so outragious and weird no one sane can predict them. But he sure has them as he slowly pushes Gotham into anarchy.

The Joker and Cyric are very unlike each other in my mind. The only thing they have in common is insanity but where Cyric is a self destructive megalomaniac the Joker is a cruel mastermind and scion of Chaos.

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Cyric very much operates on plans, aside from the brief period of drooling insanity and total wazoo, but that was a couple decades ago on the Amia timeline. He is/was the "mad god", because he genuinely believed he was the only god, not because of an infantile incapability to plan.

He actually went insane twice. The first time, where he was basically a panicked, planless wreck, is when someone unleashed his own personal nightmare from the grasp of Dendar the Night Serpent. That's his total loco phase where he can't do anything right. He eventually gets over it. This is significant, in its own right, because without that stunt with Dendar and Cyric's momentary weakness, he'd still be lord of the dead and Kelemvor would not be a god.

The second is a slowly developing megalomania. His book has little to do with that per se (aside from him, eventually, believing his own lies, but that's not limited to the book at all...) and in fact was what was used to cure him of it, when one of his chosen, cursed so that he could not lie, was made to read from it to him and could not, during the trial of Cyric in 1371. Afterwards, he is completely sane. His dogma does not change however, nor do the monotheistic beliefs of his followers. They remain quite crazy, by faerunian terms. The churches do begin to coordinate afterwards, as he purposefully starts to guide his army of fanatics to his goal of power, power, power.

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One key question for me now then is ... how much of the above mentioned previous two posts would an in game character know? We as players know about Cyric creating a book of lies proclaiming himself to be the only god and power, we know he went mad reading it and pretty much went bonkers.

But would player characters know this? Specifically if I create my Cyric worshipping cleric, would he be aware of what happened to his god? Would he know about what his god gets up to like that, or is that something that some puny little mortal should have no knowledge of because, well .. why would they?

It's kind of a tricky one, because let's face it .. we've all been moderately guilty of playing characters who know way more about in game lore and everything than they technically should. A Fighter with 10 base wisdom and intelligence waxing lyrical about each and every deity, knowing who does what and why? We've all seen it. I say all of us.. I have met quite a goodly bunch of people who know how to be justifiably ignorant characterwise.



I agree as well. To me the Joker just wants you to think he doesn't have a plan, but quite clearly everything he does is just ... too perfectly timed and executed to be pure happenstance and blind luck on his part. There is some deep levels going on there.
Whereas Cyric to me does strike me as more of an ... impulsive force rather than a methodical planner.

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Not much, tbh, which is why I did not bring it up. I operated in the framework of what your average layperson or acolyte would know. The dedicated fan boy may also know he uses to be an adventurer before his apotheosis, and possibly whom he adventured with!

^Yup. I just felt I should bring it up because it puts things a bit into perspective when you know you might be playing a totally deluded cultist, but the guy pulling the strings, by now, is a manipulative bastard who very much has, or is forming, a plan for his PUPPETS

It's good for player morale!

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Don't worry too much about it. Bottom line is, kill people who are not Cyricists.

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Isn't Cyric crazy though?

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He doesn't seem like the kind of god who would worry about trivial things like contradicting himself or making sense. Regardless, the quoted section of his dogma seems to go perfectly against the notion of 'chaotic stupid evil hulk smashing.'

In the end, I believe things like dogmas should never be interpreted too literally from a purely player perspective. Far more important is fleshing out your character's answer to 'why do I choose to serve this god?'

Found something you might appreciate, Blue. In a new sourcebook on Forgotten Realms fluffiness from Ed Greenwood, there is a small entry about the Cult of Cyric:



Not the most well-written detail, but it is a current published observation that seems consistent with what many have suggested here.

Except it's based on Greenwood's flawed perception of what "should be" canon instead of "what is". Cyric has not been insane for a long, long time, so his entire premise of reasoning is skewed and contradicts what other people have done with the storyline to push his own favourite NPCs.

Which is typical Greenwood. Back when his editors still cared, he wouldn't have gotten away with that blurb.

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Let's see:

World's Creator vs. anyone else. Ultimately, way I figure it, the World's creator for official sources, canon and similar has the right of way, and anyone who wishes to run a variation is equally right to but understanding that is not how it works.

And it also makes sense. Over the two, a tyrannical but ordered and discipline organization will have more overall staying power than a chaotic faction of anarchists , I would contend.

And how the hell can what the main write percieve what should be canon NOT be Canon at least in his setting?

BTK has a solid point, Grymia. If you were having to slog through what I am slogging through, you might want to wring Greenwood's neck, as well. He strikes me as a dude living in this fantasy land of the 1970s, terrified of letting the world we live in now, or just the evolution of the setting, influence his setting in any stronger way than having to make a few more idiotic adjective-noun compound words to describe something. He's like that dude who just won't let go of what was once his own homebrew, tabletop world and allow it to mature along with its audience.

I won't malign the man much beyond that, though, because he had good intentions and certain core features of his world are perfect for storytelling.

I still think Cyricist worshippers work better as a cult of personality revolving around their egomaniacal deity than as a church with a heirarchy, anyway. There are prestige classes that apply to worshippers of Cyric in F&P, and their entries imply (or maybe outright state, been a while since I read it) that there are a lot of small cults of Cyric that basically grow into criminal organizations who worship Cyric, but in a method that is a bit like La Veyan Satanism, commit whatever crimes they want to to make their own lives better (them richer or whatever), and dedicate their successes to Cyric. This involves any number of crimes, and quite often the assassination and hampering of any good faiths that just get in their damn way.

Ergo, it is less like a Cyricist sneaking into the abbot's home and slitting his throat and proclaiming, FOR CYRIC in his blood on the wall. It is more like a Cyricist runs an insurance racket in town, and then starts burning down the buildings of people who don't pay up or who dare to claim to the abbot that there's a Cyricist in town! And then when the abbot starts making inquiries or sending out his crusaders to find the Cyricist, then the Cyricist sneaks into the abbot's home and murders him in order to continue to protect his own criminal interests. Oh, but also, YEAH, for Cyric, too!

Subtle difference, but maybe that help you get the idea.

I like how the title of this thread doesn't conflict my conception about Cyric at all.

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To be honest, that is my main thought on him as well. He's an insane god with the portfolio of strife. That his written dogma doesn't match what his followers actually do (maybe to or against his will) seems par for the course.

That isn't meaning to handwave off obvious incongruities, mind you. It's simply how would you write the religious cannon of a deity who is that off his rocker? Given the choice, I would present it much the same way he is now, or maybe like Lolth. "Do what needs to be done, don't trust anyone but me(or those I ordain), don't give glory to anyone but me." The rest is all a delicious icing of illusion, deceit and lies.

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Well, I've currently started playing my good ol' Cyric worshiper. At the minute he's told nobody about his faith, and when praying for spells/blessings goes off and mumbles something to himself. Sure, it's not quite boastfully proclaiming Cyric's greatness and obvious (to him anyway) grandness, and skirts around half of the written dogma. But my current thinking though is the fact that, because of his conflicting dogma and nature, Cyric ... kinda doesn't give two shits about his priests at times.

So, a priest of his praying for divine blessing not wanting to out himself to the general populace (most of whom are mega powered level 30 characters) by being a bit low key I feel, for now, works. I mean, how does it further Cyric's cause and following to have his low level priests go around declaring themselves, only to be shamelessly sent off the island via exclusion or death?

Eventually (probably soon) I hope to throw in the aspect of doing some kind of ... randomised, ritualistic murdering of fellow PC's in the name of Cyric (all OOC permission will be sought and all that, consequences freely played out etc...), but y'know, hoping to be disguised to avoid outing himself (despite playing a Tiefling with an ever present tail, yeah. Nobody will ever recognise him ). Not too ritualistic... mind, because;



He doesn't appear to be a highly ritualised god as of yet. I think it kinda goes hand in hand with the fact that he's such a young god, too. Hasn't given his church time to establish any true rituals or rigid instructions that his priests HAVE to adhere to (baring his dogma, obviously) in that kind of sense. So, yeah. if I do attempt to do the above it'll be my own guy's version of a 'Day of the Dark Sun'


One last great point that was raised...



This is pretty much now right along my thinking. At first when I made my character the vain hope was to establish some kind of Church of Cyric. But the more I thought about it, the more that never seemed as appropriate for such a chaotic, spur of the moment style god (and personal character).
Instead... the dream would be to, as stated in the quote above, create some kind of "thieves guild" style organisation. Sort of in the same vain as the old Black Flag we used to have on the server.
With my characters obvious motivation being the possible indoctrination of his fellow members into his faith, thus spreading Cyric's influence.

Doubt I can make it happen, mind. Not even playing time with my current work hours and playing times (GMT 0 hours tend to be a bit ... dead during the day)

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