We're looking into OOC restrictions on items, removing those that aren't justified and leaving those that are.

First, though, we need a list of everything with an OOC restriction on it. Do not bother with the Deity Rings, though.



So, if you want to help in Amia's developement (what a cheap way to get others do the dirty work!), you can start two lists:

One with OOC restricted items in shops or specific critters: Name - Item Type - Shop.

Another with OOC restricted items in the loot bins: Name - Item Type - Loot Bin

Not everyone can access every OOC restricted item, so this is how it works as a group effort:

Copy the most recent list in the thread, edit it to add your own discoveries, and post it. At the end, we should have a complete and flawless list on our hands. Make sure you add the current restriction!

As I said, don't bother with Deity Rings (Edit: or AA arrows). Other than that, go nuts. You get to be a part of something great!

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Example:

The Purple Shaft of Xzum, Magic Rod, Bathhouse Store

Currently OOC restricted to Xaviera.

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ummm.. Does it include all the arrows in my inventory that is ooc for arcane archer only?

And yes I will help, just dont know if I need to include those.

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Just ask yourself this question first: is this restriction justified? For instance, I think that at least half the restrictions in the Grove shop can go. There's no gameplay reason why people can't use an ironwood shield, there's no IC reason why people can't use an ironwood shield, so there shouldn't be an OOC restriction.

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You obviously don't have to list individual items in your inventory, if that was your question. Do list everything in shops or as loot, though.

Let's say this right away: AA arrows will keep their restriction, so they need not be listed.

We haven't made up our minds about, well, anything else yet. Might as well be thorough now that we're doing it.

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What about some of the unique harper scout items they can craft? Are the OOC restrictions in place to prevent some player make a HS and distribute his stuff among his OOC buddies?

here is a question do the yath armor counts as ooc restrictions, for they say if i am not mistaken exactly this "NOTE: for clerics of Lolth only" So I am not sure if it even has the ooc restriction. I will take a look when I get home to see what items have the ooc restrictions.

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That's clearly an OOC restriction, yes. It's not an IC note tacked on the back of the armor.

As for the HS stuff, I don't know. I bet some enterprising HS will know and come post them here if it's relevant.

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Those come to mind: the ring is neglectable, the chime is not that useful but the death ward item is definately nifty. I am not for nor against this OOC restriction, I merely bring it up for discussion and I am curious why they were made OOC HS only in the first place.

Incidentally, what override are you using for those awesome looking boxes?

EDIT: They were made Harper Scout only IIRC to prevent them from being passed around/sold, yeah. I don't claim to be a know it all when it comes to Harpers, but I don't think that's something they do!

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+5 AC boots in the Tarkuul shop. why OOCly restricted to one particular class? I could see 'evil' but are they special priest slippers? There's no logical reason for it.

I dislike the OOC restrictions at all.. except for some very rare exceptions.

WM weapon restrictions are one of those.
Deity rings are another.

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EDIT: I Deleted my list that wasnt helping, I am adding my list, plus Ruce's here:


Elemental Sword, longsword, Grundi in Barak Runedar

Greataxe of Thunder, greataxe, Grundi in Barak Runedar

Anaconda's Fang, bastardsword, Grundi in Barak Runedar
Dark Blade of Lighting, bastardsword, Evil only, Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Arctic Sword, greatsword, Grundi in Barak Runedar

Firecurve, scimitar, Grundi in Barak Runedar


Foresight, helm, , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only
Symmetry, helm , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only
Lich Crown, helm, Evil only, Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Swiftness, ring , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only
Understanding, ring , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only


Armour of the Undead, armour (clothing), Palemaster only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:

Painmaster's Joy, belt, Evil Cleric only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:

Cloak of Intimidation, cloak, Evil only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:

Amulet of Wicked Intellect +2, amulet, Evil only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:
Symbol of Velsharoon, amulet, Evil Cleric only , Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Cleric War Boot, boots, Evil Cleric only, Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Wall of Bones, towershield, Evil Cleric or Blackguard, Havoc, Castle Tarkuul
Arrow Shield, towershield, Evil Cleric or Blackguard, Havoc, Castle Tarkuul

Tyrant's Plate, heavy armour, Evil Cleric or Blackguard, Havoc, Castle Tarkuul

Gift of the Forest, Armor, for druids and rangers only, Naerth, Grove

Ironwood Chainmail +2, medium armor, for druid only, Naerth, Grove

Ironwood Large Shield, Large Shield, for Druids only, Naerth, Grove

Lesser ranger helmet, helmet, for rangers only, Naerth, Grove

Priest of Nature Helm, helmet, for druids only, Naerth, Grove

Shroud of the Leaf, Cloak, for druids only, Naerth, Grove

Improved Ranger Hunter Bow, longbow, for Rangers only, Naerth, Grove

Elite Nature Bow, longbow, rangers and druids only, Naerth, Grove

Priest Scimitar, scimitar, druids only, Naerth, Grove

Scimitar of Balance, scimitar, druids only, Naerth, Grove

Blade of light, scimitar, weapon of choice scimitar feat only, Naerth, Grove.

Ant bite, dagger, for druid only, Naerth, Grove.

Dagger of fear, Dagger, for druid only, Naerth, Grove

Nature Club, Club, druid only, Naerth, Grove

Salandran Champion Armors, heavy armor, Good aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandran Hospitalier’s Armor, heavy armor, Good aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandran Battlesurgeon’s Armor, heavy armor, Good aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandran Battlesurgeon’s helm, helmet, Good aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Bane of the Undead, Morningstar, Good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Death’s Doom, Morningstar, Good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandra’s Kiss, Morningstar, Good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandra’s Wrath, Morningstar, Good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Mending Sword, Katana, Weapon of choice Katana only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple
Acolyte Staff, staff, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Journeyman’s Staff, staff, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Hospitalier’s Staff, staff, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandran Amulet of Great Health, amulet, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandran Amulet of Health, amulet, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandran Amulet of Lesser Health, amulet, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple.

Salandra’s Gift, ring, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple

Salandran’s touch, ring, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple

Salandra’s Boon, ring, good and Neutral aligned clerics, champion of Torm and paladins only, Temple Quartermaster, Salandran Temple

Cloth of the Clever, armor, OOC assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone

Utility Belt, belt, Assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone & Hidden Rogue store in Winya

Poisoned Gloves, Gloves Assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone & Hidden Rogue store in Winya

Cloth of the Clever, armor, OOC assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone

Utility Belt, belt, Assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone

Poisoned Gloves, Gloves Assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone


Blade of Night, Scimitar, Weapon of choice restriction, Lady Johana Shadowborne

Doomblade, bastard sword, Weapon of Choice restriction, Lady Johana Shadowborne

Cloth of the Clever, armor, OOC assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone

Utility Belt, belt, Assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone

Poisoned Gloves, Gloves Assassins only, Onyx Shadowbone


Blade of Night, Scimitar, Weapon of choice restriction, Lady Johana Shadowborne

Doomblade, bastard sword, Weapon of Choice restriction, Lady Johana Shadowborne

Mantle of the Void, cloak, OOC restriction lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Shadow weaved large shield, large Shield, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Shadow weaved Tower shield, Tower Shield, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Shadow weaved small shield, small Shield, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy


Lesser Shadowhelm, helmet, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Circlet of Disappearance, Helmet, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Onyx Belt, belt, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Light Devourer, light armor, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Fleet-foot Step, boots, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Mithril Plated Bracers, Bracer, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Cutting the Weave, Katana, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu, Emaletin Niefzen & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Shadow Weaved Longbow +3, longbow, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Black Fire, Bastard Sword, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Frost Tipped, arrow, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu, Emaletin Niefzen & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Fang, Dagger, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Shadewalker, Kukri, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu, Emaletin Niefzen & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Shadowtalon, Kukri, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Banshee’s Breath, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu, Emaletin Niefzen & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Shadow Weaved Short Bow +3, short bow, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Thirsty, rapier, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Lesser Deception, rapier, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Eironor’s Defender, rapier, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Shadowdancer Lesser Friend, amulet, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu, Emaletin Niefzen & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Dancers Band, ring, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Protection of the Weave +2, lvl 7 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Protection of the Weave +1, lvl 4 SD only, Netokyn Lyvisu, Emaletin Niefzen & Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Shadow Weaved Short Bow +1, short bow, lvl 4 SD only, Emaletin Niefzen, Academy,

Shadow Weaved Longbow +1, longbow, lvl 4 SD only, Emaletin Niefzen, Academy,

Dancers Lesser Band, ring, lvl 4 SD only, Emaletin Niefzen, Academy,

Shadowsiken Cloak, Cloak, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Nothingness, armor, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Cowl of Deflection, cloak, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Izageli’s Shadowrobes, armor, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Gauntlet of Shadows, Gauntlet, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Silent Steps, boots, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Lesser Shadowsilk, short sword, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Shade Strike Arrows, arrow, lvl 4 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Shade Strike Bullets, bullets, lvl 4 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Eironor’s Attacker, rapier, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Rift, Katana, lvl 7 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Twin vipers, two-bladed sword, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Shadowdancer’s Friend, Amulet, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy

Protection of the Weave +3, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Silver Ring of the Free Path, ring, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Greater Dancer’s band, ring, lvl 10 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Lesser Dancer’s Band, ring, lvl 4 SD only, Sayanran Lotkin, Academy,

Vlos Ofil’nisha, armor, sorcerer only, Male Drow Slave, Temple of Lolth & Sorcerer.

Trelao Ky’Ostal Yathalar and Yathabban, heavy armor, clerics of Lolth only, Male drow slave temple.

Ky’Ostal D’lil Deark Xukuth, heavy armor, Blackguards only, Male drow slave temple.



Done. My list was fixed. Is it what you want Iron?

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Any occ restriction that is reasoned by that item would not be sold to outsiders fails as soon as a PC buys it and tries to pass it on.

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That is why Arcane Archers rarely give arrows away for people they dont know. And when they do, they never give all they have. At least the AAs I know.

It preserves the specialty of the class, promote the need of arcane archers to integrate with other Arcane Archers. It becomes a secret of the class, something that is special, made by them for them, as any society of specialized things should do. I am still listing all I find. But, I would think that many of the things I am adding here should keep restrictions to preserve the class using them. They could be sneaked into the black market. But, no good aligned person or lawful person should ever buy in the black market anyway. I know it gives an advantage to people that are neutral or evil, well same happens in reality.


EDIT: I am slowly moving things to one unique list and adding the details Disco need. I am only leaving my comments.

I would think Shadowdancers would take pride on preserving their items for them to use only and they would mostly kill people selling those. But, I think they could be found in the black market as well so not sure about removing or leaving the restrictions on.

Actually I think it would be interesting that elves would kill people using AA arrows without being arcane archers, as being an insult to their knowledge. So shadowdancers should with people using their equipment. It would be just too difficult to distinguish them, so maybe the restrictions exist because of it, destroying the possibility of a black market based RP scene.

Hidden rogue store in the Winya area:

Why doesnt he buy stolen goods? <.< He is a rogue for God's sake.


EDITED: All items I described added to the first list.

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The SD restrictions are mainly for OOC reasons, IIRC. Some of it is really good and is meant to offset the fact that taking more than 6 levels in SD is really just handicapping yourself.

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Grundi's shop in Barak Runedar, all WM-only:

Elemental Sword, longsword
Greataxe of Thunder, greataxe
Anaconda's Fang, bastardsword
Arctic Sword, greatsword
Firecurve, scimitar
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Ruhn Monastery shop, all Monk-only:

Foresight, helm,
Symmetry, helm
Swiftness, ring
Understanding, ring
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Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:

Armour of the Undead, armour (clothing), Palemaster only
Painmaster's Joy, belt, Evil Cleric only
Cloak of Intimidation, cloak, Evil only
Amulet of Wicked Intellect +2, amulet, Evil only
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Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Cleric War Boot, boots, Evil Cleric only
Lich Crown, helm, Evil only
Dark Blade of Lighting, bastardsword, Evil only
Symbol of Velsharoon, amulet, Evil Cleric only
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Havoc, Castle Tarkuul

Wall of Bones, towershield, Evil Cleric or Blackguard
Arrow Shield, towershield, Evil Cleric or Blackguard
Tyrant's Plate, heavy armour, Evil Cleric or Blackguard

Some of the arrows explicitly say that unless you're an AA, they're worthless +0 pointy sticks, some hint at it and I admit I got bored of saying so over and over when I first made them, so after the first few I just reckoned the AA's would get the point, therefore many don't mention it at all.

But, for every single one:

All of the AA arrows are OOCly restricted for the simple reason that UMD does not allow you to imbue arrows with magic. Unless you can do that, the arrows are actually worse than mundane ones from the Cordor Fletcher. You can have 127 UMD, but you still won't be able to supply the magic that makes the arrows work.

I think the restricitons on the Salandran based armour makes sense. You wouldnt have anything but a Cleric, Pally, COT walking round in religious armour. This could probally be said the same for the weapons due to the religious symbol that they hold within the church?

I disagree. Remove them.

Also remove the SD stuff, or actually add rogue items to the module. >.>

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The Grove stuff is -meant- to be for Druids and Rangers only. Why would the Druids and Rangers let outsiders use their Ironwood and other sacred items? I think that stuff should be left alone, personally.

Same with the Bendir Dale stuff. It's made small. The larger races shouldn't be able to us it. Hin, Gnomes and maybe Dwarves. But not anyone else. Okay, maybe Elves and Drow because they have sissy little girlie bodies

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But let's assume they do get ahold of them. (because they can and do, let's be realistic.) What mystical force stops them from wearing Ironwood armor? Hell, what stops a mundane fighter from making ironwood armor if he gets the ironwood?

Nothing.

EDIT: Re: small sizes. Magic items are specifically stated to be able to size up and down to within 2 sizes of the base item size as made by creator.

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There is a difference between class restrictions and OOC restrictions, btw. As far as I am concerned, class restrict whatever you want. The privilege of UMD is that you can fool any item, even holy items, into thinking you are deserving to wield them or use their power; if you are neither smart nor talented (nor metagamey) enough to pick up ranks in it, you don't deserve the full gambit.

The only thing I prefer OOC restrictions on is WM weapons, for obvious reasons.

Deity rings? No OOC restrictions whatsoever. As far as I am concerned, the gods are too busy with the latest season of All My Avatars and As Toril Turns drama to give a damn about investing genuine divine favor into a collector's set of rings that some enterprising merchant mass-produced and mass-marketed to the adventuring community for purely secular profit.

However, there may be some rings floating around that do have the interest of the gods...

...as DM quest rewards. Not as random loot.

Ironwood is kept Ironwood by a Druidic spell. There's no such thing as "Ironwood", as in, a tree of Ironwood or anything like that. Ironwood is a Druid spell. It has to be kept going with a fresh spell everyday. The fact that people will meta using it anyway shouldn't really matter, should it? People meta fighting in front of guards but that doesn't stop being a rule. ::shrug::

As for the Bendir stuff: I didn't know that it can be reside and all that so I bow out of that one.

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I think it would be a IC restriction imposed by the players on the items. I think I even changed my mind as I read this topic. I think the OOC restriction is silly, that we should have IC restrictions. If someone with a high enough UMD can get hold of a longbow for elves only, let him use it and elves need to learn how to make their things less available.

But, to take off the restrictions in the items. The Salandran temple merchant by the crafting table should not sell the armors Salandrans made to honor their God. I think some more restrictive items should be like the merchant in the Grove, where the option for certain things are for druid/rangers only.

Shadowscape main store for Shadowdancers are a very restrictive area as well. If you want to sell it in the black market good, but somehow I would vote that a code was created, IC of course, so anyone selling those products openly would suffer penalties from the academy of shadowdancers. Maybe even a bounty for this person's head. Same with the arrows for arcane archers and many other things that are very specific for a group.

And if that is the case of ironwood, shouldnt we get a widget to do so in spite of having weapons and armors made of something that doesn't exist?

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Actually, it is Permanencied on in the creation process so that anyone can use it. Truefact.

Bah! Perma-ironwood...ed? That's no fun... But alright, I'll just shut up now >.>

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Ironwood also use to be a nickname of Teak wood, though its ability to sustain kinetic pressure only measures up to about half that of iron.

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Keep in mind, that part of the problem is that we cannot have an unlimited selection of items in the module.

However, different classes may benefit from the same things on an item. So, the choices remain as:

1) allow the item that IS in the mod, to be used by anyone who might benefit from it.

2) create and add into the mod 20 different copies of any given item (such as an ironwood shield), with different ooc restrictions on each, so that other classes have a fair and equal selection.

3) Leave things alone as they are, which means leaving in place a rather unfair system, in many causes brought about by old dm's or their friends getting things that would benefit them into the module.

Yeah it's cool if a druid has a special druid only item. But it's not cool if someone else could use that same item, but is restricted oocly from doing so, thus being forced to spend dc's to get what a druid can get for mere gold.

DC's are for the cool special unique custom items.

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This, the OOC restrictions make it difficult if you have devoted most of your character to Rogue and then discover that there aren't any high level rogue items, only SD and Assassin.

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My pure biased opinion;

This pure rogue agrees.

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Barak Runedar in general. Either move the store outside the fortress, or make it possible for everyone to gain access.

The dwarf's are a bunch of rude, racist bastards, so it makes it near impossible for melee classes whom don't adhere to there rules to get decent items.

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Maybe removing the OOC restriction by adding some of the aforementioned items to the rouge shop. Maybe with a certain UMD requirement added to it.

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I'm afraid pure Rogues get screwed over by the majority of people who take 1 Rogue level and dump a bunch of ranks into UMD. It makes it hard to add good items for the class when so many people use it for cheese purposes and only cheese purposes. Ironically, you could alleviate this by rewarding pure or even pure-ish Rogues with OOC restriction items that require [x] Rogue levels.

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I agree with this ... remove the OOC restrictions an SD stuff - I can understand the store only being able to be ICly accessed by SD's, but the items themselves shouldn't have the restrictions.

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IMO the idea of Rogue only items is even sillier. Rogues have UMD innate, so the idea of something that only a Rogue can wear when Rogues are UMDers... I dunno, something just strikes me as "off" there.

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That's why theres the Level restriction.

Just because we have UMD doesn't mean we shouldn't have items for -us-. Sure, a bunch of people skill dump on a rogue level, a good number of them even take the UMD skill on that dump. But that doesn't mean that they should instantly be able to use items made for -actual- rogues.

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I'd be convinced of this OOC restriction... if it were for 30 fighters instead.

I'd be even less convinced. What make s alevel 30 fighter so much better at than a WM, or a DwD, or a CoT, or a *whatever*?

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And here was me thinking the whole point of being a Rogue was that you *didn't* wear your own gear.


You steal other people's.

Well, for one, fighter that multiclass in those 3 or other classes will actually be better than a 30 fighter, but I digress. I was just taking a poke at the idea of a rogue-only OOC restriction, not necessarily advocating OOC restriction for pure fighters or any other class for that matter.

Can't argue with that.

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I think they want OOC restrictions for IC reasons, not OOC ones.

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I dunno if I agree with all the WM restrictions, myself... but that's simply because I just don't think a lot of the WM-restricted items are all that more powerful than other not-WM-restricted items. I could order those items easily with like 10 or 15 DCs upgraded to a mythalled longsword or something, right? Or do you have to be a WM to have any powerful/cool weapon?

Just kinda seems weird to me that I can order DC items that are more powerful than WM-restricted items. Probably even some in-game that aren't restricted and are more powerful.. eh.

Hrm. Plainly we all fail.

Disco, is it easier to have them split up by store, like I did? I worked on the assumption you'd have to go into each merchant in the toolset, rather than via the item palettes because of the stupid way it stores their inventories separately.

Maybe a thread for the comments and another for the actual listing operation would be more appropriate?

No, shops are spawning from the palette themselves. Only the lootbins arfe completely independent from the palette. In other words: I rather look for shop items by item type, and I have to browse a long list of unsorted stuff in the bins (so some visual description would be handy).

I asked the shops bit as background info.

Don't worry about the mess, Iron will make a nice list for me.

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Righto. It does it oddly in my toolset in my character build module, then. Maybe because I tend to make items by modifying standard ones direct when I'm making the merchant?

Anyway, I'll rejig my list for Iron's sake.


Elemental Sword, longsword, Grundi in Barak Runedar

Greataxe of Thunder, greataxe, Grundi in Barak Runedar

Anaconda's Fang, bastardsword, Grundi in Barak Runedar
Dark Blade of Lighting, bastardsword, Evil only, Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Arctic Sword, greatsword, Grundi in Barak Runedar

Firecurve, scimitar, Grundi in Barak Runedar


Foresight, helm, , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only
Symmetry, helm , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only
Lich Crown, helm, Evil only, Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Swiftness, ring , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only
Understanding, ring , Ruhn Monastery Monk-only


Armour of the Undead, armour (clothing), Palemaster only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:

Painmaster's Joy, belt, Evil Cleric only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:

Cloak of Intimidation, cloak, Evil only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:

Amulet of Wicked Intellect +2, amulet, Evil only Jerto Fryar, Tarkuul Tower of the Damned:
Symbol of Velsharoon, amulet, Evil Cleric only , Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Cleric War Boot, boots, Evil Cleric only, Ramin Marinna, Temple of Velsharoon

Wall of Bones, towershield, Evil Cleric or Blackguard, Havoc, Castle Tarkuul
Arrow Shield, towershield, Evil Cleric or Blackguard, Havoc, Castle Tarkuul

Tyrant's Plate, heavy armour, Evil Cleric or Blackguard, Havoc, Castle Tarkuul

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I'd just like to point out that if the logic of WM gear only is because of directing ki, shouldn't the same logic apply to monk stuff, or even more so?

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