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Cleric/Sorc/Monk multiclass, IMO. (Well, sorc if you want to have those innate powers that led you to look for unity with god within you in the first place.) Mystics are pretty much always religious. Mysticism aspires to blend into, experience unity with, or have direct access to God/gods/whatever. So cleric seems appropriate: you want to bask in your god's love and understand him/her intimately. The greatest Christian mystics were usually nuns or monks who wrote and taught. Bernhard of Clairvaux, Hadewijch, Julian of Norwich, Hildegard von Bingen, Juan de la Cruz, Teresa of Avila etc. are all good inspiration.

Remember also, that ascetism and mysticism are seperate. So you probably wouldn't be disciplined in the same severe, physical sense. Mystics can be rather wild.

Dark Immolation wrote:

Very_Svensk wrote:

Can't find that 1/4 Rule about dragons and stuff anywhere..

Could somebody link me to it?

What are you talking about?

Lorewise, they don't exist. At least not in the way they're usually portrayed on Amia. If you're a half-dragon, you look like a half-dragon. If your father/mother was a half-dragon, and mated with a humanoid, you look like a regular humanoid. You just have relatively immediate heritage to a dragon.

The only thing I could say ever "redeems" a "1/4th" humanoid is if they become a Dragon Disciple. Perhaps then it's reasonable that they would begin to look like a half-dragon, as their blood is relatively stronger because it's less diluted. Where a person with 1/64th dragon heritage might just grow scales and claws through being a disciple, maybe a "1/4th" grows horns, their mouth begins to look a little more like a snout and their scales look more like the genuine thing. Note: this is my interpretation, not lore I'm quoting.

But as for popping in with a "1/4th" and looking as/more draconic than most half-dragons do, that really doesn't exist in lore. It's just something that Amia allows.

I think he may be talking about Amia's "anything above 1/4 dragon needs to be requested" thing. In any case, I agree with Iron. I've never thought that DDs should become more freakish than the half dragons running around the island, but that's just me.

Anyway. As far as I know, Svensk, if this is what you're talking about, to play anything above '1/4' as you put it needs to be requested, otherwise you just go RDD. I don't -think- there's a rule linked anywhere, but if I am right, probably should be. In any case, there's a lot of '1/4' dragon (disciples) running around (probably with a half dragon parental), so ... there ya go. Just don't expect halfers or the real thing (not that you'd know!) to accept it as anything but a science experiment. :lol:

Please, just go ahead and request a half-dragon if you want something to look like one.

1/4 dragon's that look like 1/2's makes as much sense as someone calling himself a 1/2 genasi and requesting Fire Elemental appearance. It... it just doesn't work like that. I never get the reasoning for why it's allowed, other than just the influx of requests for 1/2's and moaning if we disallowed them. Maybe it would mess with events in Amia's past. In any case, they're homebrew if anything.

This one's for Tormak, I think. Where can I find some more in depth information about Palemasters and the rituals to perform for their feats?

the hell is a quater dragon? I spent near a week reading about dragons and dragonkin...your either a half dragon or your not a half dragon. dragon disciples technically become like that of a half-dragon, but they are not a born half dragon...two different ball parks.

aasimar, tieflings and gensai I would understand.

Glyph wrote:

the hell is a quater dragon? I spent near a week reading about dragons and dragonkin...your either a half dragon or your not a half dragon. dragon disciples technically become like that of a half-dragon, but they are not a born half dragon...two different ball parks.

aasimar, tieflings and gensai I would understand.

Yar, again, I think it's more for the sake of RP and the RDD class. I believe it's more for the sake of requests (dragon blooded without an influx of half dragons). Again, you can't really be a 'quarter dragon.' You simply have some Draconic blood by that point, as far as I know. Dragon --- > Half Dragon ---> Dragonblooded (as its been explained to me). RDDs become like a half dragon stat wise, but they aren't half dragons - you're right there. And most half dragons won't see them that way either. Someone correct me if I am wrong though.

DerkDerkistan wrote:

This one's for Tormak, I think. Where can I find some more in depth information about Palemasters and the rituals to perform for their feats?

You can read creepy good stuff about his PC in the Library.

viewtopic.php?f=80&t=49311

There's no real canon lore on Palemasters that I know of, apart from what you can find in Libris Mortis. It's basically a Prestige Class entry with some fluff and ability descriptions.

BrainSplitter wrote:

Max level RDDs simply have the traits / bonuses of a half dragon. They aren't actually half dragons.

From this thread, for the queries above. They might look like, talk like, sound like, and act like a half dragon, but they're not half dragons. My RDD (who's above the 10 RDD required to get half-dragon traits and stats, actually) knows this well IC'ly and doesn't try to pretend otherwise.

I'd like to point out however that before you make the character, you can request to play a half dragon. I believe it has been done a successfully before. You can then take all the RDD levels and play a half dragon.

Just a warning however, the DM's are VERY specfic about who they let play half dragons. You'll have to seriously impress.

Well, it's common sense too: just because you take your tenth level in the PrC, the time-space continuum doesn't mysteriously twist and reshape itself to give you a dragon parent.

There are quarter-dragons, of course. That's also common sense. If your parent was half dragon, you're quarter a dragon. However, you're all right in that it doesn't give you any specific traits or racial status as per D&D rules. I do have a hard time believing that such a guy would be a completely normal human, though. But that's neither here nor there, because Amia's rules don't allow for any non-standard races without request, and showing any dragon traits as a 1/4 dragon (other than those given by RDD) would make you not a standard human and therefore something you'd have to request.

Frankly, I think any non-request PC that can trace his/her lineage to a dragon or an outsider with certainty is lame and unbelievable. Sorcerers, RDDs and Planetouched typically come from a loooong line of mixbloods. Just think about the maths: if magical blood can manifest as special powers up to, say, the 100th generation (it's actually probably longer), then there's only a 5% chance that this supernatural ancestor will be within four generations of you. Most of these people had their ancestors over a thousand years ago. You wouldn't believe it if you looked at Amian Planetouched/RDD demographics.

IronAngel wrote:

DerkDerkistan wrote:

This one's for Tormak, I think. Where can I find some more in depth information about Palemasters and the rituals to perform for their feats?

You can read creepy good stuff about his PC in the Library.

viewtopic.php?f=80&t=49311

There's no real canon lore on Palemasters that I know of, apart from what you can find in Libris Mortis. It's basically a Prestige Class entry with some fluff and ability descriptions.

O dear. IS that being taken as canon? It was written in an older time on Amia when you could actually find those components in game. Nowadays you won't find demiliche skulls floating around Brog so it could be quite a bit more difficult.

In any case I'll just pat myself on the back. :mrgreen:

DM clarification needed!

Order of the Shooting Star

The Church of Mystra sponsored an order of rangers, known as the Order of the Shooting Star. These rangers received spells from Mystra and served as long-range scouts and spies for the church, also dealing with magical threats that imposed upon the natural order of things, such as unloosed tanar'ri and baatezu as well as creatures born of irresponsible wizardly experimentation.

^Do these rangers really recieve their spells directly from Mystra or would they need to revere another nature deity as well as Mystra?

Not a DM, but I am almost 100% certain that these rangers who worship Mystra, get their magics from Mystra and need not worship one of the nature gods.

She is the mother of all magic, after-all.

Mystra.

Thanks!

Asa sidenote, Rangers do not need to worship nature deities to recieve spells. Rangers of Tyr or Bane are just as legit as rangers of Silvanus or Mielekki, though less common.

Yes, that's my interpretation of it. Canon sources simply conflict on this matter; TSR and WotC have changed their minds about rangers so many times there's no keeping up with it. But since we know several specific NPCs and several generic examples of rangers who don't worship nature deities, and a handful that definitely get their spells too, I think it's reasonable to go with that.

as much as I hate to re-open a question, I need some more druid/wizard advice, regarding necromancy and which spells are kosher...

last time there was much discusion, and negative energy type spells we're deamed better than summoning types of spells..this time around I have a plan for a build that would reach a much higher level of wizard spells, and particularly I am concerned about energy drain, wail, finger of death, and horrid wilting, to name a few.

I kinda assume undeath to death would be seen as a positive aswell, though its a necromancy spell.

would obviously be avoiding create undead and the like. also shades is an iffy one.

ed: alignment isn't the issue its the druidic oath thing.

Can Duergars become Dwarven Defenders?

Since we had an issue with Drow AA's that wasn't feasible, It's best to ask.

Anything but undead is kosher. Finger of Death is a druid spell. Druids manipulate the fundamental energies underlying the whole of nature, and negative energy is just as natural as fire or air. Shades are undead, by the way.

Drow AAs and Duergar DDs are both feasible. There's very little lore on either class, and nothing that suggests it wouldn't be valid.

oh yea, nearly forgot shadows that arn't SD...right got it =)

duergar could be DD's but are more likely to not meet the alignment, imho. still its doable, nothing says they can't be lawful and good, to other subrace dwarves they probably won't seam good at a glance but thats their problem right? =D

i'm still thinking draining a persons life force to the equivilent of 8 mechanical levels is probably not kosher.

DDs aren't LG, just lawful. And duergar sure are lawful.

Druids can kill people. That's effectively draining their life force 100%, replacing all of their positive energy with negative energy. Not using level drain would be hypocrisy, IMO.

Here's something that's always boggled me a little..

In Faerun we call the star that brings it day and night 'the Sun'. At least, most people I RP with do. I do.. perhaps in ignorance.. Is that what it is called? the Sun? If it is.. That kind of bothers me.

Elturgard

Where the hell did this place come from? I've never heard about it under I just stumbled upon it a while ago.

Dark Immolation wrote:

Elturgard

Where the hell did this place come from? I've never heard about it under I just stumbled upon it a while ago.

FR wiki is 4th ed. Do not use it for anything Amia-related.

'A second' Sun?

:shock:

Count D'Mourteguarde can go (Cencor) Himself if we implement that!

I've read about a Priest of Lathander casting a Miracle spell to create a second sun before. In the 3rd edition Era. But thats not it.

Yeah, I tried to see if there was a connection (it's actually a very cool storyline, and happening but unresolved in Amia's current timeline if a DM ever wants to do something with it; imagine Cordorian Lathanderites clashing with Nesekans who've decided Lathander is actually Amaunator about to return!), but this one seems to radiate Torm's divine brilliance or whatever. One of the cities in this nation is Berdusk, supposedly. Either way, it's indeed not happened in our timeline.

regarding FR wiki's recent..not so recent...or whatever, changes, anyone know of a site that would let you see the older stuff? (ie. archive.com, or something??)

If you must you can just look at the history tabs on the pages. Go back to summer '08 or so.

IronAngel wrote:

Yeah, I tried to see if there was a connection (it's actually a very cool storyline, and happening but unresolved in Amia's current timeline if a DM ever wants to do something with it; imagine Cordorian Lathanderites clashing with Nesekans who've decided Lathander is actually Amaunator about to return!), but this one seems to radiate Torm's divine brilliance or whatever. One of the cities in this nation is Berdusk, supposedly. Either way, it's indeed not happened in our timeline.

Eversult's Second Sun actually has been cast in our timeline, Iron! However, it is as yet unresolved because we aren't far enough (and because I don't think anything was ever actually done with it. They just announced results in 4e aqnd went "Yeah, Draegloth was right."

Yes yes, I said "happening but unresolved." I figure nothing will probably get done with it, because it's 1) pretty big business and 2) not directly related to Amia, but it's a fancy fantasy anyway.

....

It will threaten geocentric thinkers like my PC!

...geocentric as in the material plane is the main center of the cosmos or, that toril is flat?? O_o

Is there any information on creating intelligent items besides in the dungeon master guide? So far I have looked through a bunch of different sources and am coming up empty. Anyone got any other info on them?

Glyph wrote:

...geocentric as in the material plane is the main center of the cosmos or, that toril is flat?? O_o

Ptolemy just rolled over.

So we call Faerun's star the Sun, by the looks of it. The way people are calling a second star the 'Second Sun'.
I guess Faerun is somehow in our solar system...planes and all.

Rosencrantz wrote:

So we call Faerun's star the Sun, by the looks of it. The way people are calling a second star the 'Second Sun'.
I guess Faerun is somehow in our solar system...planes and all.

Nono.
The Translation from Faerunian Common to English makes the word for their star 'Sun'. What it may be called in faerunian ... I don't know. :roll:

If this is the case... We need to name our star!!!

How about MC175? That's a good NASA inspired name.

A star is a sun, our (Earth's) sun has a name: Sol, Toril's sun most likely has a different name (Faerun is a continent).

Kudark wrote:

A star is a sun, our (Earth's) sun has a name: Sol, Toril's sun most likely has a different name (Faerun is a continent).

I know Faerun is a continent. But I didn't know star and sun were interchangeable. God, that's a bad representation of where my knowledge leans.

I'd figure they'd just call their "sun" Amauntor(or Lathander).

They already call the "moon" Selune.

if you wanna get real pedantic about it its 'terra' 'luna' and 'sol' =)

there's more than one sun god on faerun, same with earth and water and such, i've yet to hear anyone refer to the ground as earth in game. the moon is one for the lexicon but selune is viable.

Dark Immolation wrote:

I'd figure they'd just call their "sun" Amauntor(or Lathander).

They already call the "moon" Selune.

Agreed. It could very well be a common tradition, though probably less so nowadays that Amauntor is unknown in most places and Lathander isn't specifically a god of the sun. But still, it probably still happens. And why not call the earth Chauntea? I know I use such figures of speech frequently in RP. Well, my Akadian priest muttered about Grumbar's ass crack whenever he had to delve into underground dungeons, but the Elemental Lords are nowhere as famous or popular as Chauntea.

The popular name of the sun is just sun, though. It's not "wrong." Anything more flavorful is cool, of course.

IronAngel wrote:

The popular name of the sun is just sun, though. It's not "wrong." Anything more flavorful is cool, of course.

I'll just call it Lathander's Orb.. I guess.

I daresay Amaunator isn't unknown, especially with Draegloth's heresy and the Second Eternal Sun.

And especially because a certain Priestess of Lathandar has embraced it.

Oh, and just so you know, the article that led me to Eversult was the blurb for "Elturgard Paladins". I thought I was reading something about Space Marines for a second....

Quote:

The cause of Elturgard is just and good, and the paladins who serve it are uplifted by that undeniable knowledge. Their blood is fired with light’s conviction, their minds focused with purity, and their hearts hardened with their faith. Nothing stands in their way—while they grip their sanctified blades; fear is unknown to them and reviled in others.

TormakSaber wrote:

I daresay Amaunator isn't unknown, especially with Draegloth's heresy and the Second Eternal Sun.

And especially because a certain Priestess of Lathandar has embraced it.

True, but he's primarily a Netherese deity who's only resurfaced in the past few years. That's an awfully short time for the name of the sun to change in the common man's mouth. But then, the reverse could also be true: if the northern/western Realms knew the sun as Amauntor since Netheril's time, it's conceivable that people hadn't forgotten and still used it. We talk about Thursday and Wednesday etc. even if we don't believe in Tor or Oden anymore. So yeah, a feasible remnant from older days.

Lathander's Orb is a bit unfitting, because he specifically is not a god of the sun. He's a god of dawn, of new beginnings and all that. I don't think he shoud be likened to the sun too much, because he doesn't control most of the portfolio associated with the sun.

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