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Mobile_Svensk
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 Posted: Thu, Nov 25 2010, 14:29 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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On the contrary, Dead - That's a rather awesome idea... I'd play it for the hell-o it!
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Thu, Nov 25 2010, 16:30 PM |
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Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Location: The downeaster "Alexa"
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Dual-wielding Weaponmaster: Tower Shield 
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My Sovereign
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Posted: Thu, Nov 25 2010, 21:12 PM |
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Joined: 19 Sep 2010
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Monk Barbarian....
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- "The fiend is less hideous in his own shape....then when he rages in the breast of man"
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TeroSNS
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Posted: Thu, Nov 25 2010, 21:23 PM |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2009
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paladin druid bard.
_________________ My favourite sniper loadout: Huntsman, jarate, bushwacka. Team Fortress 2 is FREE TO PLAY! 
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Gunz
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 0:24 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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A Paladin/Sorc/Palemaster -- who's also a hermit -- of Shaundakul.
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My Characters:
Yuilith Kethil Menaiivan Garadeth
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 3:37 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Dark Immolation wrote: Dual-wielding Weaponmaster: Tower Shield No ,you do it with Large shields because then you don't take the attack penalites and you're only losing 1 AC. It's an easy tradeoff. Almost no one uses Tower Shields in PnP, really, they're just very prohibitive.
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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 3:38 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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Ironically, one of my friends made a Dwarven Cleric that had two shields he fought with. It was only a semi-joking character, and I never saw it in action, but apparently it worked out rather well lol
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Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 3:39 AM |
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Player
Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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It's worked great ever sine the advent of Player's Handbook 2 and Complete Warrior which offers alot of cool shield feats.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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wakaman
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 7:16 AM |
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Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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Dark Immolation wrote: Dual-wielding Weaponmaster: Tower Shield Reminds me of a Samurai Jack episode where he helps this Spartan dude kill a many armed machine monster. He uses two round-shields while the spartan uses his short-sword. Man that was awesome. And speaking of Samurai Jack, and Awesome.. A Light-dancer!!! a person who hides in light, and is perfectly visible in darkness.
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Murex
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 8:59 AM |
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Joined: 01 Dec 2009
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My Sovereign wrote: Monk Barbarian.... This may be the best one yet. 
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davis114
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 9:20 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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Calin.
_________________  MoshingChris wrote: Dude makes like a drunk even when he's sober.
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Dwagin
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 19:57 PM |
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Player
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod
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Killing a child.
Embarrassing other characters.
Being true to your moral compass.
Having an opinion which is not neutral.
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Dwagin [Duh-wa-GIN] N. - 1a. Small and cute thingum, particularly fond of four legged scaled creatures of the metalic and chromatic varieties.
-Extraordinarily ordinary in the mostest of ways.
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TeroSNS
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 21:35 PM |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2009
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TormakSaber wrote: Dark Immolation wrote: Dual-wielding Weaponmaster: Tower Shield No ,you do it with Large shields because then you don't take the attack penalites and you're only losing 1 AC. It's an easy tradeoff. Almost no one uses Tower Shields in PnP, really, they're just very prohibitive. shouldn't it give out the heavy penalties with large shields too? I think the penalties are lessened with small shields. _________________ My favourite sniper loadout: Huntsman, jarate, bushwacka. Team Fortress 2 is FREE TO PLAY!
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IronAngel
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Posted: Fri, Nov 26 2010, 22:02 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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That's not what he means: in addition to the dual-wielding penalty, wielding a tower shield will also give you a -2 AB penalty. NWN doesn't replicate this, which is why you see everyone using one.
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Sat, Nov 27 2010, 0:12 AM |
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Player
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: -5 GMT
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We should put -2ab on every tower shield in existance? Yes?  It'd be interesting to see some Large shield's get some love. _________________ Jack Tesilent - Jack's Bio
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Sat, Nov 27 2010, 0:43 AM |
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Developer
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Location: The downeaster "Alexa"
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Wolfking6116 wrote: We should put -2ab on every tower shield in existance? Yes? It'd be interesting to see some Large shield's get some love. No difference for me. My two characters that use shields prefer large shields. They like not having to drag around a 45lb sheet of metal.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Nov 27 2010, 1:30 AM |
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Player
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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davis114 wrote: Calin. Now now, no need to be jealous. As for the -AB on sheilds. Not a good idea. That -AB is generally offset by the masses of feats for sheilds, and warriors in general. As well as the feats and such associated with using only one weapon. Adding that -AB would upset the balance of classes that Amia finally seems to be close to achieving.
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"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sat, Nov 27 2010, 11:06 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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It's cuz tower shields didn't have that penalty in 3.5, iirc. NWN2 being 3.5 segregated Shield and Tower Shield proficiency (as it is in 3.5) and added the -2 AB.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Sat, Nov 27 2010, 22:55 PM |
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Developer
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Location: The downeaster "Alexa"
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*was purposefully making a "crazy character idea that would get your killed"*
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:28 AM |
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Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: -5 GMT
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TormakSaber wrote: It's cuz tower shields didn't have that penalty in 3.5, iirc.
TormakSaber wrote: NWN2 being 3.5 segregated Shield and Tower Shield proficiency (as it is in 3.5) and added the -2 AB. wut? _________________ Jack Tesilent - Jack's Bio
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:32 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Er, I meant to say they don't have the penalty in 3.0, which is what NWN1 is based off of.
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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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My Sovereign
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:40 AM |
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Joined: 19 Sep 2010
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TormakSaber wrote: Dark Immolation wrote: Dual-wielding Weaponmaster: Tower Shield No ,you do it with Large shields because then you don't take the attack penalites and you're only losing 1 AC. It's an easy tradeoff. Almost no one uses Tower Shields in PnP, really, they're just very prohibitive. Yes, but also remember that in PnP a tower shield can give you total cover, which makes you untargetable by ranged attacks, and adds +10 to ac.
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- "The fiend is less hideous in his own shape....then when he rages in the breast of man"
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:42 AM |
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Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: -5 GMT
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Thought thats what you meant tormak, was just making sure and that sounds epic.. so like... +20 AC from two shields, for -2 ab? or -6 with ambidex / two weaponed fighting? Damn good trade off.. _________________ Jack Tesilent - Jack's Bio
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:43 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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You don't get touse both shields for defense. Only one is allowed to be apoplied to defense. What you normally do is add spikes to one so you can enchant it like a weapon and keep the other as a "Shield" to enchant it defensively. But you're still fighting with 2 shields.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:44 AM |
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Player
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: -5 GMT
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Aw... that's kinda dumb though... Why wear a second shield if you dont get the bonuses >_>
_________________ Jack Tesilent - Jack's Bio
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:47 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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So you can dual wield shields and use all the shield feats with both hands and DUAL WEILD SHIELDS. It's a gimmick build but the difference is in PnP gimmick builds can be hilariously effective.
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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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My Sovereign
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:51 AM |
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Joined: 19 Sep 2010
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In PnP I was told I could not buy alchemist fires anymore because I would throw a pack full of 100 of them at a boss enemy and fireball it, doing 110d6 fire for about 1,000 gold....
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- "The fiend is less hideous in his own shape....then when he rages in the breast of man"
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 6:55 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Or the DM could simply have ruled that doing something like that is an exploit of the rules, kind of like the Bag of Rats for free cleaves.
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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Estara
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Posted: Mon, Nov 29 2010, 0:59 AM |
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Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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Or they could just make every enemy after that immune to fire!
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TeroSNS
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 10:14 AM |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2009
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I'd like to see how you throw 100 bottles of alchemist fires in one go into far enough distance that it isn't next to you, but also not too far for the hefty penalties. and besides, it costs 2000 gold. not to mention a 100 alchemistfire -bag is considered an improvised weapon.
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The Great Equalizer
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 10:56 AM |
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Joined: 29 Aug 2006
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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For the record, I think that all gnomes should count as improvised weapons.
You can toss them, pick them up and hit people with them, light them on fire and have them cause random chaos. They're the ultimate weapon.
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TeroSNS
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 11:02 AM |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2009
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The Great Equalizer wrote: For the record, I think that all gnomes should count as improvised weapons.
You can toss them, pick them up and hit people with them, light them on fire and have them cause random chaos. They're the ultimate weapon. anything that isn't listed on weapons list, is an improvised weapon. _________________ My favourite sniper loadout: Huntsman, jarate, bushwacka. Team Fortress 2 is FREE TO PLAY!
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Isaiah
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 13:14 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2009
Location: Ohio, USA
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Why would anyone throw something themselves when they have magic? TelekinesisThat'll get your bag of alchemist fire, or gnome, down range.
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I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.
-Socrates
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RuffTuff
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 17:31 PM |
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Joined: 20 Jul 2008
Location: Clock Town
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Create a character infected with a Glimmerskin.
That'll do it. And fast.
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Characters I play:
Kira Cottonfoot - Hin Bardess
Kirby Cottonfoot - Arcane Trickster
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DustSpray101
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 17:33 PM |
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Joined: 27 Jun 2008
Location: Night Vale
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Dark Immolation wrote: Dual-wielding Weaponmaster: Tower Shield Nah, that won't get you killed if you are shield bashing with spiked shields... Had a Dwarven Defender once that did that. Shield AC only counts once though there is nothing saying that the cover granted by using both tower shields does not stack! Granted this was PnP. Nwn doesn't support dual shielding.
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Sven <=={o===========>
Qeelak \ | / ,
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Kudark
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 18:10 PM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2009
Location: The Dark Side of the Moon
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According to the 3.5 PHB, you can't install spikes on a tower shield.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 19:38 PM |
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Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Location: The downeaster "Alexa"
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Bah. You should be able to get bonuses from both shields if you dual-wield them. Just with the caveat that you cannot attack at all during the rounds you're getting AC from both. You're holding ~100 lbs of metal between you and your enemy, a veritable wall. Seems like it would make a great idea for a tank that's specifically defensive, just holding the enemies back while the rest of the party picks them off.
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xXxSuShiKunxXx
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 21:05 PM |
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Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Location: H-Town Texas
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I have a cleric of Salandra who's gotten nicely to level 10 thus far who has never even touched a weapon or offensive spell. (Though I have summoned occasionally. >_>) It actually makes for some nice RP.
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steveb_uk
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Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2010, 23:46 PM |
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Joined: 21 Nov 2010
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I'm doing amazingly well with my Eldath Druid using only a pet and summon. And I have discovered that Amia loves Eldath quite a lot, and taking a character who follows her is definitely not a problem 
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Marcus Tyrell, Druid of Mielikki.
Julius Tarl, Sorcerer.
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