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IronAngel
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Traditional driders make perfect sense, IMO. They're a disfigured and mentally distorted image of the perfection they should have strived for in life. It's rather fitting, I find.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Thu, Dec 02 2010, 14:52 PM |
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The Great Equalizer wrote: Additionally Lolth is sadistic and self titled weaver of chaos, why would she want to do what makes sense? Goes against her own tenants being that rigid and simple. Say it with me, children: Chaotic Evil, not Chaotic Stupid. You don't have to have Law in your portfolio to understand that if you reward followers that do well, they're more likely to do more in your name. I'd agree that it would be a cool way of saying "Pfft, you're useless, this is how you should be" if they still continued to work in her name. But they don't. They become outcasts and hate her and her society... It's like rewarding your heretics just because your portfolio is Heresy. Then again, Lloth is pretty insane. The one reason she doesn't actively seek to destroy her son Vhaerun is because his actions of fighting against her fits her dogma of fighting amongst your own to make sure the strong stay the leaders. Supposedly. In any case, did not mean to start a debate. 
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Yurell
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Posted: Thu, Dec 02 2010, 22:23 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Traditional driders make perfect sense, IMO. They're a disfigured and mentally distorted image of the perfection they should have strived for in life. It's rather fitting, I find. I was thinking that myself, the cruel irony a nice trademark of Lloth. That said, the 4E version as a reward also makes sense.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Fri, Dec 03 2010, 9:04 AM |
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Soo...hobgoblins, then. I've got one on the go and really should have asked this earlier: how hated/monstrous are they thought of by Joe Commoner, adjusting for Amia?
So far I keep him out of Bendir, Kohl, Brog and Djedet competely.
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Posted: Fri, Dec 03 2010, 17:25 PM |
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Mechanics of Flame Weapon: From what is seen IG, it's pretty much an elemental aura that surrounds the weapon it's cast on. But I assume there's no clear definition of "weapon" for the spell's mechanics. As in a mage could break off the leg of a chair, seeking to use it as a club, and his Flame Weapon would work on it too.
My question: Could this elemental aura or whatever be cast upon object that are specifically no weapons at the time or in the situation. Take for instance my chair leg example, that makes sense because you could use a chair leg as a club. But what if I left it attached to the chair? Could I cast something like flame weapon on the seat of the chair, an obvious deterrent for anyone to sit there? On a doorknob perhaps to discourage people from turning it? I'm wondering what the sensible parameters would be for the spell.
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DustSpray101
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Posted: Fri, Dec 03 2010, 17:49 PM |
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Mechanically? No. It has been tested. The chair "weapon" cannot be enchanted. Made me a sad panda to learn that running around with a ridiculous burning chair was impossible to do, yet any one with a trout can light it on fire magically and whack people with it.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Fri, Dec 03 2010, 17:54 PM |
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I was asking more about lore mechanics than NWN mechanics. Should have specified that. I'm asking the boundaries of the spell concerning its function.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Dec 03 2010, 23:15 PM |
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Uberuce wrote: Soo...hobgoblins, then. I've got one on the go and really should have asked this earlier: how hated/monstrous are they thought of by Joe Commoner, adjusting for Amia?
So far I keep him out of Bendir, Kohl, Brog and Djedet competely. Hobgoblins are probably the most "civilized" of the goblinoid and orc races. They're intelligent (insofar as they don't have an intelligence penalty, so they're average), rational, and disciplined, so they know how to behave. They're still evil and they tend to be the harsh law and order tyranty slaving types at times. some hobgoblins do manage to get themselves hired out as bodyguards, caravan escorts, and things of that nature. They're great blacksmiths and greatly militarily minded, so they're suited for those sorts of jobs. A well behaved hobgoblin is probably liked only slightly less than a half orc. So it's not that thye LIKE you, but of the "Monster races" you're probably rhe best suited to civilization, even more than goblins or kobolds. Edit: Oh, and they have a racial hatred of Elves.
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Gunz
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Posted: Fri, Dec 03 2010, 23:54 PM |
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Aye. Hobgoblins -- because of their higher intelligence level, lawful tendencies and over all tyrannical way -- make the better leaders in Goblinoid tribes/clans than their Goblin cousins. Not to mention, their superior strength to their Goblin cousins makes it easy for them to take over leadership positions over most Goblins. However, they get a bit of poetic justice payed back to them because their Bugbear cousins easily overpower the Hobgoblins and are the most common Goblinoid leaders. They're kick ass tacticians and strategists -- Both the Hobgoblins and Bugbears are. They're still relatively nasty in regards to hygiene, but they keeps they weapons clean, yo!
I would imagine they might get themselves into trouble in cities, trying to boss people around and such. But I'm speaking in general here. I would also imagine they would be looked down upon a bit more than a goblin or kobold wandering civilization because of their intimidating build and bully-like ways. But I suppose it's for a DM to rule and say just how hated/disliked/liked they might be.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 14:47 PM |
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Eladrin. How alike are they to all the other Aasimar races, like the human based ones?
Can they develop wings if they are half celestial? Do they have the same half celestial features as a human based aasimar? Are they treated like regular elves?
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TeroSNS
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 14:56 PM |
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seriously, you should forget about eladrin while you can, sin. and never look back.
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 14:59 PM |
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Nah, I'm actually pretty curious. Really curious about all the aasimar in particular right now, but Eladrin is the first choice. I'm just trying to get some lore 
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Silvarus
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 15:02 PM |
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Search for a .pdf of the 2nd edition book Warriors of Heaven.
It is the #1 source for lore on Celestials. All the later books are all about stats, feats, spells and PRC:s with the detailed information left out.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:59 PM |
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You seemed to be mixing up the eladrin of pre and post 4e together.
Pre-4e, eladrins are entirely celestial beings. They're not elven.
Post-4e, eladrins are a subrace of elf, with no celestial origins.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 18:02 PM |
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Does there exist any spells to track down a person's lineage?
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 18:18 PM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: You seemed to be mixing up the eladrin of pre and post 4e together.
Pre-4e, eladrins are entirely celestial beings. They're not elven.
Post-4e, eladrins are a subrace of elf, with no celestial origins. Yep. There are, howeve, Celadrin who are Planetouched Elves. The suggestion seems to be that they're descendants of Eladrin which makes sense, but it needn't necessarily be the case. Celadrin are semi-canon. They were introduced in a Dragon article by Eric Boyd who certainly knows what he's doing, so there's no reason not to accept them. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Sin4given
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 19:30 PM |
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So, on Amia they can be accepted, but it'd vary. Also.. they're full celestials? Hmmm
Does the same thing happen to them like the other aasimars? Do they get the glowey eyes, wings, scales, and would they be LG? OR at least in that Lawful alignment, other then LE
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 19:34 PM |
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Eladrin don't live in the Prime Material. They're not elves, and they're not a PC race. They're Chaotic Good outsiders. They're not Celestials in the sense that they'd come from Celestia, like the Lawful Good Archons (though they're called celestial in some classifications).
Celadrin, like I said, are the elven variant of Aasimar. They'd probably lean towards CG, if they were descendend from Eladrin. You'd have to read the Wikipedia article on them or dig up the Dragon issue that introduces them, if you wanted to know about physical traits. Aasimars get one extraordinary trait, be it feathers in the hair, ringing voice or golden eyes. They rarely get more than that, and that probably applies to Celadrin too. It depends on what your ancestor is like, so if you play an elven Aasimar/Celadrin you should look into the different types of Eladrin he might (unknowingly, of course) be descended from.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 19:52 PM |
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Archons come from Celestia.
Celestials can come from: Arcadia, Celestia, Bytopia, Elysium, Beastlands, Arborea and Ysgard.
Eladrin usually come from the latter end of the list, and they have no wings, tails or other silly stuff like that.
Celestials include: Aasimon(angels including devas and solars), Archons(lantern, hound, sword, trumpet, tome etc.), Eladrin(the elf-like gits) and Guardinals(the animalheaded fellows).
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 19:58 PM |
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As I said, they're classified as celestial creatures. It's silly that they're called Celestial, though, because they don't come from Celestia. Celestial is an adjective derived from Celestia, after all (at least in Realms etymology). Fight the power, call them Arboreals or whatever.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 20:00 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: As I said, they're classified as celestial creatures. It's silly that they're called Celestial, though, because they don't come from Celestia. Celestial is an adjective derived from Celestia, after all (at least in Realms etymology). Fight the power, call them Arboreals or whatever. But since Aasimon are the Angels, I have a hard time finding an alternative umbrella category for them all. Upper Planars?
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 20:01 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Does there exist any spells to track down a person's lineage? Rebump. It was lost in translation
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 20:06 PM |
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I don't know. Upper Planars seems like the most neutral, accurate definition available. It's unfortunate that celestial refers to the sky or the heavens in general, but that there's also a specific place called Celestia. It just confuses things for most people. "What, Celestials don't live in Celestia?" It's like someone whose last name is Finn who doesn't live in Finland but, in fact, along the Missisippi. How dumb is that? Oh, wait...
No idea about the spell. Certainly not in the core spell lists. There's books for just about everything, though. A simple divination might do it.
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Yurell
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 20:21 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Very_Svensk wrote: Does there exist any spells to track down a person's lineage? Rebump. It was lost in translation Yes, there's one in the BoEF - Analyse Ancestry traces 10 generations. Of course, BoEF is definitely noncanon
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Yannickbl
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 20:53 PM |
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Know Bloodline.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 22:09 PM |
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what's that? can i get a source?
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Yannickbl
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Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 6:42 AM |
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Lost empires of Faerûn, L3 Cleric spell, reveals target's type, race, subrace and all possible subtypes.
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Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 7:29 AM |
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Might want to check that. Those pnp spells are pretty restricted in use. Know Bloodline is worse than Detect Alignment because it tells you everything about the target.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 8:05 AM |
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Lumped right in my small list of "Dumb Spells".
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Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 9:12 AM |
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I am curious if the Rite of Rebirth exists or is known about in Amia. Source: Races of the Dragon
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 9:40 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Lumped right in my small list of "Dumb Spells". Yup if it wasn't outright integral to the canon realms of Mulhorand and Unther I'd ban that particular spell outright.
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Halecta
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Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 10:39 AM |
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Aasimar can be from any good outsider, does not have to be Celestial
Eladrin are a specific type of Celestial though, which can make Aasimar
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 21:08 PM |
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Halecta wrote: Aasimar can be from any good outsider, does not have to be Celestial
Eladrin are a specific type of Celestial though, which can make Aasimar Urr, did you read the posts about this issue? I guess Eladrin do produce Aasimar with humans, but with elves the result is Celadrin. Which are pretty much elven Aasimar, I guess. I don't know their stats, but for Amian purposes they're probably no different from Aasimar. It's just what scholars call them. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Dec 07 2010, 20:05 PM |
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Technical question.A werewolf morphs involuntarily the first times during full-Moon. But, When does a full-Moon set in over amia?
Whenever i want to?
Does it follow the IRL Calendar?
Does it follow another calendar?
Up to DMs?
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IronAngel
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Posted: Tue, Dec 07 2010, 20:10 PM |
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Speed of Plot on Amia. There's no shared calendar. That's between you and the DMs, since it's a special request. Normally, it's just up to you.
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Posted: Tue, Dec 07 2010, 20:10 PM |
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*shrug* I'd just follow the skyboxes.
Of course it has to happen during an IC night. But the skyboxes cycle. Some nights are cloudy, some are clear. I think there are at least 3 different types of "night" skyboxes. If you see a full moon ICly, then you see a full moon. Unless a DM says otherwise, of course.
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Posted: Tue, Dec 07 2010, 20:16 PM |
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20 Minute intervals? Don't think Sky-Boxes work
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Posted: Tue, Dec 07 2010, 22:51 PM |
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Well its either that, or randomly do it on your own, which was already suggested by Iron.
You knew the sticky wicket you were getting into when you chose to play a lycanthrope. ;P
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Posted: Tue, Dec 07 2010, 23:17 PM |
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Oh well.
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Posted: Tue, Dec 07 2010, 23:30 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Celadrin are semi-canon. They were introduced in a Dragon article by Eric Boyd who certainly knows what he's doing, so there's no reason not to accept them. Is he part of the staff here? B/c if not that may be a good reason not to accept what he says as the truth of things.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 10:09 AM |
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No, he's a Realms author. He's one of the better ones, and certainly more educated about the Realms than anyone here, on the staff or otherwise. He's one of those people that have stuck with the setting for years, as opposed to most of the freelancers who just pen a novel and move on. What's this empty and formal authoritarism you support? It's completely immaterial whether he's part of this staff or not. The only thing you should be looking at is what he's written about Celadrin, and whether it fits into the big picture. And because it's Boyd, I bet it does (I don't have the article).
The fact that they were introduced in a Dragon article gives them a tentative justification prima facie. Dragon was licensed to publish Forgotten Realms articles, but wasn't supervised by WotC. It was meant as a supplement to complete the world, and it might be overwritten in official releases. In this case, that doesn't seem to be true, so I don't see a reason to dismiss Celadrin and the other sorts of Planetouched introduced therein. Whatever your reason for dismissing them, it must concern the actual contents of the article, not that it wasn't written by your boss.
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 15:07 PM |
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The sources say that clerics of Jergal keep an extremely meticulous record of the dead. My question is that would they e.g. find out the name of some goblin fallen in battle, or would they ignore the poor bastard altogether? What if someone/thing doesn't have a name? Where to draw the line, is it really such pettifoggery?
Also, what would the orthodox name of a faithful of Jergal be? Jergalan, Jergalite, Jergaler, Jergoff? (The last is so stolen from TutTuts.)
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DustSpray101
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 16:23 PM |
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Qualify the author all you would like, but "What scholars call them" is not a statement that I would trust coming from Dragon Magazine. To be certain, I dismiss them on account of their source type. It simply does not qualify as primary source material on Realms lore which is what I have gathered this topic to actually concern. They don't hold sway and should not for the exact reasons you have posted: Quote: ...wasn't supervised by WotC. It was meant as a supplement to complete the world, and it might be overwritten in official releases... Simply put it is unofficial information that you are arguing be accepted as dogmatic Realms Lore and then stating that it is beyond despute unless WOTC says otherwise. By your own argument, if any were to write more than one 'freelance' novel about the Realms, and then received a similar deal with Dragon Magazine, they could then make the audacious claim that upon Toril, Gruumish is called The One Eyed One Horned Flying Purple People Eater by many tribes up and down the Sword Coast and claim it to be part of cannon both in general and more specifically, on Amia, as it would be beyond reproach by the Amian community and staff unless WOTC themselves said otherwise in the next Official Release. Kinda silly, no? Now that being said and to explain my previous post: In this case it is ultimately up to the staff and not mister Boyd as to what scholars in the Faerun that -Amia- portrays call Aasimir subraced Elves. Similarly it is up to the Staff to be the ones to make the call for things such as what scholars call Halfling Tieflings and the various other absurdities that spawn from the "general" subraces. Simply a fact of playing in a world in which we players do not control the NPCs.
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 16:25 PM |
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Uncle-Opustus wrote: The sources say that clerics of Jergal keep an extremely meticulous record of the dead. My question is that would they e.g. find out the name of some goblin fallen in battle, or would they ignore the poor bastard altogether? What if someone/thing doesn't have a name? Where to draw the line, is it really such pettifoggery?
Also, what would the orthodox name of a faithful of Jergal be? Jergalan, Jergalite, Jergaler, Jergoff? (The last is so stolen from TutTuts.) I'd assume since he is a mainly humanoid god, they wouldn't bother. I mean, if someone came to them and gave them a gobo's name and said that he's dead, then why not? But from what I understood, "keeping meticulous records of the dead" meant like at their temples in whatever civilized settlement they were in, they'd keep track of the people that died. I don't see the Jergali of Amia making a crusade from Khem or wherever to Amia upon hearing yet another goblin got whacked. >_> Oh, and they're called the Jergali, btw.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 16:37 PM |
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Well, that pretty much confirms my own beliefs on the matter. Danke. Jergali, yes. I'll just slap myself to feel better.
If anyone else has a view to share on the Jergali matter, or anything concerning Jergal at all, I'm all ears.
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 16:41 PM |
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Actually, I am curious what do they do if the fallen are raised after their names have made the list. IE: True resurection following a few weeks time. Does the name simply disappear? Does it remain as a placeholder? That sort of thing.
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 17:18 PM |
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DustSpray101 wrote: Qualify the author all you would like, but "What scholars call them" is not a statement that I would trust coming from Dragon Magazine. To be certain, I dismiss them on account of their source type. It simply does not qualify as primary source material on Realms lore which is what I have gathered this topic to actually concern. They don't hold sway and should not for the exact reasons you have posted: Quote: ...wasn't supervised by WotC. It was meant as a supplement to complete the world, and it might be overwritten in official releases... Simply put it is unofficial information that you are arguing be accepted as dogmatic Realms Lore and then stating that it is beyond despute unless WOTC says otherwise. By your own argument, if any were to write more than one 'freelance' novel about the Realms, and then received a similar deal with Dragon Magazine, they could then make the audacious claim that upon Toril, Gruumish is called The One Eyed One Horned Flying Purple People Eater by many tribes up and down the Sword Coast and claim it to be part of cannon both in general and more specifically, on Amia, as it would be beyond reproach by the Amian community and staff unless WOTC themselves said otherwise in the next Official Release. Kinda silly, no? "Canon" is a term with no clear definition. According to a WotC employer, anything with an FR logo is tentatively canon. According to Forgotten Realms Wiki, canon is iffy but rather inclusive. More conclusively, according to notable scribes at Candlekeep, Dragon is canon. You can even see Elaine Cunningham (and Wooly) state it directly in this topic.So yes, if Dragon published an article about Gruumsh's silly alias, it would be canon and a valid subject of this topic. However, I never said it would be beyond our reproach or necessarily canon on Amia. That's a completely different issue. The fact that it was published in Dragon is beyond dispute, and the fact that Dragon was 100% canon is pretty much beyond dispute too. Whether we should accept Celadrin as a type of Planetouched is obviously open to dispute. Without reading the article, my judgement was that because it was written by Eric Boyd and we haven't heard anything horrible about the article, there's no reason not to accept it. This doesn't mean we have to accept it if it's stupid, but the burden of proof is on you. Amia tentatively accepts all Forgotten Realms canon as Amia canon unless specifically stated otherwise. Apart from the timeline of recent events, Amia is not in the habit of systematically handpicking things from the campaign setting. DMs can change or discard individual things as needed when they come up, but until then we can safely assume that if it's true in FR, it's true in Amia. So dismissing Celadrin on the basis of the source is invalid, as shown above. From what we know so far, they also seem pretty reasonable and presented by a qualified author. So far, there's no reason not to accept them or discuss them here as canon. If you want to change that, you need to produce arguments from the actual contents of the article or comments surrounding it. Quote: Now that being said and to explain my previous post: In this case it is ultimately up to the staff and not mister Boyd as to what scholars in the Faerun that -Amia- portrays call Aasimir subraced Elves. Similarly it is up to the Staff to be the ones to make the call for things such as what scholars call Halfling Tieflings and the various other absurdities that spawn from the "general" subraces. Simply a fact of playing in a world in which we players do not control the NPCs. This is the one topic where everyone is on equal footing, where your meticulous methodology and infallible arguments matter more than your rank. We're not discussing whether the Amia Staff like Celadrin, or if they technically fall within character creation rules. We're discussing what they are in Forgotten Realms lore, and whether it applies to Amia is a foot note at best. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Yossarin
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 17:30 PM |
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DustSpray101 wrote: Actually, I am curious what do they do if the fallen are raised after their names have made the list. IE: True resurection following a few weeks time. Does the name simply disappear? Does it remain as a placeholder? That sort of thing. They amend the record under the name with a date and time stamp, and any information related to the resurrection: the deity who is assumed to have allowed it, the petitioner, and the location of the vessel at the moment of the resurrection. And yes, the Jergali make a record for any dead creature they can. If it does not have a name, they assign it an identity based on a forensic analysis or the nature of the death itself. For example: 15 Hogarth, 1377, between five and six bells of the morning: gray goblin with a mottled left shoulder and moles in the exact pattern of the Floradives constellation three centimeters from his navel was slain during a raid on an adventuring encampment in the lowlands delta of the island of Amia. The killing blow was dealt by Beldor Ma'fer with an enchanted dire mace; gray goblin experienced blunt cranial trauma, was instantly paralyzed, and expired thirty-three seconds later.
AMENDMENT: 17 Hogarth, 1377, at precisely three bells of the afternoon: gray goblin with a mottled left shoulder and moles in the exact pattern of the Floradives constellation three centimeters from his navel was resurrected in the warren of the Danku Tribe on the Amian Frontier by the tribe's shaman, Septicus. Ostensibly, Krump (see Appendix G) approved the resurrection.
AMENDMENT: 20 Hogarth, 1377, around ten bells after dark: gray goblin with a mottled left shoulder and moles in the exact pattern of the Floradives constellation three centimeters from his navel drowed in a water basin outside the Heathrow residence in Uhm. Having sought Beldor Ma'fer for vengeance, gray goblin attempted to spy on adventuring camp proceedings held within the Heathrow residence by climing a water basin to see through the window, but slipped and fell into the water basin and was unable to climb out. Water entered the lungs. Two minutes and thirty-nine seconds later, gray goblin expired.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 17:35 PM |
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And that my dears is the reason I stopped playing my Jergali.
Playing him was like fulltime data-entry.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Wed, Dec 08 2010, 18:07 PM |
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Good Chris(t), must I?
I don't think anyone would eat me if I only came up with a record for permadeath player characters, creatures of significance to events, etc. Stuff that actually matters and stays dead.
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