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Gekko

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 12:35 PM

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Joined: 29 May 2006
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I recall back in 2007 I used to play a drow's slave, and I continued to do so for about 7 months. IIRC, rothes ended up being banned with various other new rules. Has that since been revoked and/or am I imagining rules that never occurred?

Rothe RP would have been one of the most fun experiences I had on Amia. Watching drow bicker, trying to escape poorly and being punished for it, then ultimately being sacrificed and dumped on the surface. Good times.

Selvec Darkon

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 15:05 PM

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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
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Should be allowed now if you ask me. We are no longer a PG13 server.

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Mobile_Svensk

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 16:39 PM

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Why was it banned in the first place, i wonder? I'd like to read the motivation and see if it's still applicable.

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Travis

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:03 PM

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Joined: 15 Aug 2009

As I recall, the OOC drama it caused was rediculous.

Mobile_Svensk

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:08 PM

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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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Elaborate for those who doesn't know?

Pony

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:13 PM

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Joined: 07 May 2005

I am sure the playerbase has matured enough to do proper slave rp without twenty ooc meetings with Nekh once more.

Mobile_Svensk

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:13 PM

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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!

Elabooraaateee!

HellScourge

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:26 PM

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Very_Svensk wrote:

Elabooraaateee!

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Silvarus

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:31 PM

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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe

Why the hell do you need details of other people's OOC drama?

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Mobile_Svensk

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 17:31 PM

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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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Very_Svensk wrote:

Why was it banned in the first place, i wonder? I'd like to read the motivation and see if it's still applicable.

IronAngel

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 18:12 PM

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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Uh, it's never been banned OOC.

If you want to play a slave, though, there were/are various rules you need(ed) to agree to. They include the possibility of permadeath if you misbehave or escape and get caught. Playing a slave that's tolerated by NPCs and PCs means you must willingly let go of some OOC protections PCs are usually entitled to. NPC reactions in the new UD might be slightly different than in Ultrinnan (though I don't imagine any society tolerated rebellious slaves), but I don't see it changing the rules.

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Estara

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 18:19 PM

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Joined: 23 Feb 2007

There might be rules about when you can log on/etc. to agree to as well, if I remember.

Svensk, drop it. It's really not necessary. Hopefully your bait is not taken. You gossip queen!

Mobile_Svensk

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 18:21 PM

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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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Yes, Im a gossip queen!
What bait, and why drop it?
It's important to know all the facets of the truth, and the different arguments beforehand. Else we will just rant the same thing over and over again, that's why we have so many Anti-Dragon Topics or Paladin do's and Dont topics flourishing...
Everything would be so much better if we just knew stuff beforehand, so we didn't need to assume or make the wrong assumptions.

IronAngel

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 18:47 PM

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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Well, they were never banned (OOC) so there's nothing to know. And frankly, I don't remember much OOC drama that would reflect poorly on the whole slave trade RP and I was a first-hand witness to most of it. There were some player-related arguments as always, but not connected to slavery per se. The OOC meetings we had didn't concern slavery problems, anyway. (It was a topic of discussion once, IIRC, and even then we agreed to a set of common rules in good understanding.) Amia drama queens just exaggerate everything. This is the bottom line, which you can read in the R&L forum:

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If you wish to play a drow slave, PM DM Nekh and tell your slave character's name and other vital information. Since there's been again issues with drow slaves (unapproved ones), you'll need to inform a DM, and get your slavedom approved first. Thanks.

In general, drow slaves may be played by minors. Any torture is not to be RPd by minors, sex slavery is strictly forbidden and all other rules on torture and sexual RP apply as well.

These rules apply both to characters created as slaves and characters caught by drow. If your existing character ends up as a drow slave, PM Nekh immediately.

It was the agreement of the drow community and the DMs to enforce other restrictions on slave PCs as well. I don't know where those are. The point is, though, that if you're given the leeway to go about your business like a normal slave would, you also face the risk of permadeath or other punishments like a normal slave would. Slave PCs have no rights.

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Dwagin

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 20:31 PM

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Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod

If I recall correctly... slave pc's were required to be no higher than level 3.

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IronAngel

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 20:47 PM

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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland

This is the conclusion we came to concerning Ultrinnan:

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¤Slaves will not be allowed to pass level 3.

¤Slaves will not be allowed to carry more than a set amount of gold in town.

¤Slaves will not carry weapons, armor, or magical items.

¤Slaves will not cast spells in town, or draw weapon.

¤Slaves will not leave the city, ever, without an owner.

¤The slave player must be prepared to have the character mostly ignored.

¤Slaves should be made specifically for that purpose, and shouldn't be captured from the surface.

¤Slave RP does not include so-called adult RP. If such is wanted, it is with the OOC consent of both players, as usual, but I will not tolerate a single hint at sex-slavery.

¤Slave player must agree to the rules presented here.

¤Slave PC must be secondary, the slave player must have other PC or PCs.

¤The slave player must understand that slave RP can be rough. Other players might not want to make IC easier for OOCs sake. So, be prepared for anything.

¤PERMA-KILLING the slave is an option. If no one wants the slave, there is no other choice. A slave will never be freed.

¤Slaves can be in the city without a master, on errands etc, but they aren't allowed to bother the drow. A slave can be beaten without the owner's permission. Damage to property will of course be paid back in gold.

¤Preferrable races: less intelligent goblins, kobolds, orcs etc.

This is what Nekh posted later, as the minimum DMs expect, with the understanding that players would agree to the additional rules above with eachother:

Nekhy wrote:

If you want to play a drow slave, you are to do the following:

I'm posting this here, so it'll be crystal clear to everyone. The change to the absolute rules on drow slaves is, that it has to be a dedicated PC, and that you will contact me if you want to quit it. 'Why?', you might ask. Because with the current system, we encountered certain issues again. That's why I feel it's time to dictate a fool-proof system, that'll provide fun for both the players who want to play a slave, and the drow houses that want slaves, without intervention to other RP.

I think most of those half-OOC restrictions of the first post are redundant now, and probably shouldn't have been introduced in the first place. What's still relevant is that you inform the DMs (Nekh or another UD DM, I guess) and that you're prepared to be permakilled. Back then, it was sort of an agreement between the drow player collective and house matrons that "these are the rules we go by, and we won't take in slaves that don't adhere to them even if it's not technically against server rules." I guess Nekh also enforced them in approving slave PCs, but that's because it's what the players wanted. Not what the DMs wanted. Now that times and players have changed, the first post isn't relevant and doesn't have the same authority.

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Travis

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 21:36 PM

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Joined: 15 Aug 2009

As I recall it was Iron that caused all the drama, people were happy making assumptions and and blowing things out of proportion when he came along and started whining about rationality and facts or something. Case in point: all his posts that came after mine.

Silvarus

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 21:40 PM

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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe

Travis wrote:

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IronAngel

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 21:46 PM

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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Travis wrote:

[Insert joke]

[Insert clueless confusion]

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Travis

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 21:58 PM

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Joined: 15 Aug 2009

I was joking, and poking fun at myself.

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IronAngel

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 22:00 PM

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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland

Oh. I didn't get it. I thought there was something odd in your phrasing (people were happy making assumptions?), but I see it now. :lol:

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Dergaii

Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2010, 22:51 PM

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Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Location: Waffles, Beer & Chocolate

I've been interested in this for quite some time. Where do I need to sign?

Well I first need to read up on the lore and find heaps of time to play it. It would be a sub-character, logging in only when the owner(s) are on.
Are any drow houses europe friendly?

Gekko

Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 1:04 AM

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Joined: 29 May 2006
Location: Australia

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Those are the rules I was thinking of. When these rules were enacted, I was a level 7 fighter rothe, used as a battle pet in the Underdark. Explains why it was "banned" so to speak, for my character at that point

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Also, she was captured from the surface, which was pretty fun RP in the first place, but rules are rules I guess.

ainjyll

Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 2:41 AM

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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc

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¤Slaves will not be allowed to pass level 3.

¤Slaves will not be allowed to carry more than a set amount of gold in town.

¤Slaves will not carry weapons, armor, or magical items.

¤Slaves will not cast spells in town, or draw weapon.

¤Slaves will not leave the city, ever, without an owner.

¤The slave player must be prepared to have the character mostly ignored.

¤Slaves should be made specifically for that purpose, and shouldn't be captured from the surface.

I was still running Tinnerai when those rules were created and I still think most of them are extremely applicable to the server as it stands today. The first and last two rules which I highlighted especially.

I had some greatly rewarding slave RP that really tickled me pink, but I also got some of the worst headaches from slave RP that these rules were like a tasty aspirin for.

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IronAngel

Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 7:48 AM

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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
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I'm not so sure about the level cap anymore. It's more IC than OOC. If you can train your slave in secret and then send him on an assassination job, go for it. Obviously, a slave can't log on to hunt on his own without permission, though. I'm inclined to say "anything goes, if it goes IC." All the potential problems are solved with the clear understanding that your slave PC is subject to immediate permadeath at the drows' discretion. Slaves are only problematic when they misbehave and get to keep their heads for it, or when they escape and spread information on the surface or goad their past masters safe from potential harm.

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ainjyll

Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 14:38 PM

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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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Agreed to the extent that problems arise from the slave being able to do what they want with the worst option happening to them is being sold to another house or released to the surface. However, I contend the level restriction. 3 may be a bit low, but I just don't see a drow letting a slave have a Wonderforged Bastard Sword and a set of heavily enchanted armor or whatever. That's like giving the prisoners guns and asking politely that they stay in the prison. If you want an elite assassin, hire one or bring one into the house. If you want someone to fetch you food, dress you and scrub your back get a slave.

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IronAngel

Posted: Mon, Dec 06 2010, 21:14 PM

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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
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Well, I think that should fall under PC discretion. I agree with you, definetely. But some PC might not, and as long as they can keep their slave's power a secret from everyone else, I don't see the need for an OOC rule. Obviously, if the matrons find out your slave walks around armed to the teeth, a real threat to drow, they'll probably punish you and kill the slave.

The situation is slightly different now because non-drow PCs can (apparently) enter drow areas without DM supervision. Before, this was a special right slaves had, and that's one reason for the close scrutiny. I guess it's up to Nekh/the team what kind of OOC rules new slaves must agree to.

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