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Jes
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There is something wrong with this choice. >.>
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Cromlech - The Best Copper This Side of Ruathym
Zelly Cys'dina - The Wounded Soul, Also Merchant
Aelynthi Nor'alei - The Bubbly Winged Elf
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[DM] Hlal | [DM] The Voice
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 6:55 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Jes wrote: There is something wrong with this choice. >.> Qfe _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 7:16 AM |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2012
Location: South Carolina, USA
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Yes. The problem is Bard without Fighter or Divine Champion levels. It hurts.
Please assist.
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O'Raghailligh
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 7:40 AM |
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Location: NZ
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 8:02 AM |
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Location: South Carolina, USA
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Bard 24 / Knight Commander 5
Half-Orc (Orog)
Base Ability Scores:
STR 19 -> 26
DEX 9 (7)
CON 8
WIS 8 (6)
INT 14 (16)
CHA 12 (16)
1Bard1 Feat: Toughness
2Bard2
3Bard3 Feat: Skill Focus Discipline
4Bard4 +1 STR
5Bard5 *Persuade 4, Lore 4
6Bard6 Feat: Extend Spell
7Bard7
8KC1 +1 STR
9Bard8 Feat: Weapon Focus: Battleaxe
10Bard9
11Bard10
12Bard11 +1 STR, Feat: Knockdown
13Bard12
14Bard13
15Bard14 Feat: Curse Song
16KC2
17KC3
18KC4 Feat: Blind-Fight
19KC5
20Bard15 +1 STR
21Bard16 Feat: Armor Skin
22Bard17
23Bard18
24Bard19 +1 STR, Feat: Epic Weapon Focus Battleaxe
25Bard20
26Bard21
27Bard22 Feat: Epic Prowess
28Bard23 +1 STR, Feat: Lasting Inspiration
29Bard24
AB: 20 base + 14 STR + 5 GMW + 4 feats + 2 song + 2 warcry = 42
AC: 10 base + 1 Dex + 7 shield + 12 armor + 5 boots + 4 amulet + 4 cloak/ring + 2 feat +1 mage armor + 6 tumble + 2 subrace + 5 song + 4 haste = 63 AC
HP: 194 unbuffed, 378 w/+12 con, (404 w/song)
Skills: Concentration 32, Discipline 32, Intimidate 26, Persuade 4, Lore 4, Perform 32, Tumble 30, Taunt 32, Use Magic Device 17
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 8:56 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Ditch SF:Discipline, push everything down a level, boom, you have both
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 8:56 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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PS: KD w/o IKD is a waste of a feat slot, use the ring
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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NinjaClarinet
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 8:58 AM |
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They got rid of knowndown rings, I believe.
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O'Raghailligh
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 9:00 AM |
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Joined: 04 Jan 2009
Location: NZ
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Needs SF:Discipline for Knight Commander. And I think that KD ring got removed from Amia for some reason I don't know.
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 9:04 AM |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2012
Location: South Carolina, USA
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I need Skill Focus: Discipline and Toughness for Knight Commander. Those two feats get rid of my ability to take Improved Critical and Improved Knockdown.
As is, the build makes use of Curse Song, Taunt, and Entreat to give it an effective AB boost that's a bit silly when the numbers are figured. With a severely reduced AC (around -11 if they're not flatfooted by Entreat) and a damaged Discipline (-13) I think most enemies will be reduced to Knockdown fodder. I'd love to take IKD, and I have the Intelligence for it. There just doesn't seem to be the space.
EDIT: And they stripped Knockdown from any and all items in the module.
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P Three
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 9:05 AM |
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It did, being as it was "too powerful". Quite a while ago, now.
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Yee-haw! Aly'dra Zau'ana: Priestessish Of EilistraeeDanika Nefzen: Druid of the EarthmotherDelia Am'Anodel: Paladin of Torm
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Strawberry Stallion
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 9:07 AM |
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Not unless you take a different race, but that would be affecting the whole roleplay/character behind it. In any case I think you should replace Epic Prowess for Improved Critical at the least but that's just my opinion.
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Eriline
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 12:10 PM |
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I am thinking about making a rebuilding from level 17, since I've taken "Quicken Spell" at level 18, cause thought it will be good idea to take "Auto-quicken" later, but then realized that haste spell gives same effect, and there's no much use in taking it. Though I am not sure what to take instead of it - there was an idea to pick martial weapons for that sorcerer's rapier I've found, but had no use cause wasn't proficient with that type of weapon. But I'll probably won't have any use for it on higher levels. So not sure about it. Another thing was to take another spell focus. Though not sure if it'll worth to have third focus since I already have two. And I'll have to spend at least one epic talent to make it greater later. Another thing, since I was doing almost two years ago, I was told that picking dragon knight spell was a good idea, but now it seems it was not so good idea, since Epic Mummy Dust works good enough, while dragon is just too fat (and dumb too actually) to get anywhere cause of it. Another thing was about picking epic mage armor spell. Since I'll have about 45 AC at most with it at level cap, I was told it's not matter much if it'll be actually 45 or 20. Not much difference. Which leads to logical conclusion that I don't need it that much anyway. And now the point is if I should spend three feats to get another epic spell focus, take two more ability feats (for +1 DC to all spells) and replace quicken spell with weapon proficiency or something. Or do something completely different from all above. So I need some advice about it cause every time I think about it, I somehow become even more confused.
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 13:32 PM |
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Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Location: Earth
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I always liked the utility in item creation feats. Especially as a sorcerer. Make wands of useful utility spells that you might not want to take the next level.
As for a third line of spell focus feats, not really worth it if you need to dip your epic feats for Greater focus.
Dragon Knight is a solid choice still, so long as Conjuration is one of your spell focuses. Mummy Dust has more flavor and utility, though.
Epic Mage Armor is nice and handy, but I (personally) don't find it necessary if you're playing a pure caster. It's a good pick if you take it. You may not really miss it if you don't, though.
Without knowing your character or build, I'd recommend Craft Wands, Mummy Dust, Greater Ruin.
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Eriline
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 14:05 PM |
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Is wand crafting useful at all? And for what? Cause it was pretty useless since all spells that being casted from wands are pretty low level. As for third spell focus, I though so myself, since I have actually only one spell for evocation, and defensive spells just not worth it. And yes, conjuration is one of those I have (and it was take for purpose of having dragon pet actually even though it has other uses as well). So I suppose if I'll take wand crafting (still need explanation though), spending two epic feats I left for attributes gonna be good idea? Can't think of something else this way, since epic mage armor is no use.
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Gobbledygook
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 14:13 PM |
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I'm trying to come up with the very most useful all-rounder weapon for a Shifter who uses all shapes. Weapon type needs to be Druid or Simple. First of all, which of the following options would you recommend? And secondly, can anyone offer suggestions for the types of Mythal-modifications that I should look at to improve on these? Option 1 wrote: Scimitar: Keen, 1d6 Sonic, +1 Regeneration. Option 2 wrote: Mace: 1d6 Magic, On Hit: Hold DC14, +2 Vampiric Regeneration. Option 3 wrote: Dagger: 1d6 Acid, On Hit Poison 1, On Hit Poison 2. (I've totally forgotten which two types of poison are on the She'kat Fang Dagger, but it would be a modified version of that.) Option 4 wrote: Any of the Trueforged, or whichever version of those weapons has: Keen, 1d10, Massive Crits
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treant13
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 14:47 PM |
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My personal opinion is to take the most extra damage, vamp, keen, and massive criticals. The hold could be good as long as the mobs can be affected by it. Didn't know weapons could have regen, but its tempting also. Also i would change damage to sonic if possible except for the magic damage one.
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Lyle Underburrow...I would watch where you step when he's around, you might go boom
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P Three
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 19:25 PM |
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Eriline wrote: Is wand crafting useful at all? And for what? Cause it was pretty useless since all spells that being casted from wands are pretty low level. As for third spell focus, I though so myself, since I have actually only one spell for evocation, and defensive spells just not worth it. And yes, conjuration is one of those I have (and it was take for purpose of having dragon pet actually even though it has other uses as well). So I suppose if I'll take wand crafting (still need explanation though), spending two epic feats I left for attributes gonna be good idea? Can't think of something else this way, since epic mage armor is no use. GOD yes. Wands and potions will get you SCADS of gold. Trust the potionwhore. _________________ Bobo_Underhill wrote: Ley lines, y'all. Just let me go wrangle up my cowboy boots and lasso us up some magic.
Yee-haw! Aly'dra Zau'ana: Priestessish Of EilistraeeDanika Nefzen: Druid of the EarthmotherDelia Am'Anodel: Paladin of Torm
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 19:57 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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Indeed. Even Salema, which sells wands and scrolls for only a 10% profit makes a lot of gold in the end.
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Blackdragon12121
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 21:59 PM |
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I'd personally take regen. My shifter's gear set has regen on almost all her items. Been a long time since I used her but she was regenerating easily 5-10hp per round or something. Very useful imo
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Wed, May 01 2013, 23:20 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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Right, so. Paladins. They still elude me.
Great Smiter pally, are they really just one trick (three with Extra Smiting) ponies?
Scythe WM pallies, are they possible? I've been trying to build one just for giggles and it looks all wrong. Horribly, horribly wrong. Is it just too hard on a level 30 server?
Any other tips on pallies? I have one that's low-level, but he's a nifty Pally/KC build that I made streamlines for RP reasons (though he certainly won't suck at all).
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 0:10 AM |
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Joined: 04 Feb 2012
Location: South Carolina, USA
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Smiters are awesome, though if you make one I recommend going Human. Aasimar has nice role play, but mechanically you'll get two more feats (so two more Great Smites) out of Human.
Greate Smite builds are not one trick ponies. They're powerful builds that are more defensive than strength-based Paladins save in short bursts. Strength Paladins have higher Attack Bonus and do more all-day damage, yet have lower saves (barely worth mentioning - they're Paladins after all) and can't obtain a maximized Dodge Armor Class without Haste and Mage Armor. Charisma Paladins have good Attack Bonus and great damage (by virtue that half of it isn't capable of being resisted) that get to astronomical levels in short bursts a few times a day. On top of that, they have higher saves consistently more Armor Class.
In short: Strength Paladins have more versatility as they do what the do in spite of their enemy's alignment. Charisma Paladins are more survivable and blow up bad guys with 300-500 damage when necessary.
Also: Paladin / CoT / WM is possible but ugly. Really ugly.
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Eriline
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 1:45 AM |
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Joined: 06 Oct 2011
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P Three wrote: Eriline wrote: Is wand crafting useful at all? And for what? Cause it was pretty useless since all spells that being casted from wands are pretty low level. As for third spell focus, I though so myself, since I have actually only one spell for evocation, and defensive spells just not worth it. And yes, conjuration is one of those I have (and it was take for purpose of having dragon pet actually even though it has other uses as well). So I suppose if I'll take wand crafting (still need explanation though), spending two epic feats I left for attributes gonna be good idea? Can't think of something else this way, since epic mage armor is no use. GOD yes. Wands and potions will get you SCADS of gold. Trust the potionwhore. So which one is better, wand crafting or alchemy?
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Bini
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 2:27 AM |
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Righteous Anger wrote: Also: Paladin / CoT / WM is possible but ugly. Really ugly. This is true, but misleading. Do a 19 paladin, 4 fighter, 7 weaponmaster on a human and you'll find everything slips right into place. It must be charisma based, though. None of this strength bull-poo. _________________ feel the blood gushing from your anusONE feel the blood gushing from your anus
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 3:12 AM |
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Is Disarm useful on a Shifter at all? I know that some of the shapes get it, but I'm wondering how well it works on said shapes. Also, if it would be worth getting Imp Disarm (because it should supersede the shape's Disarm feat, right?)?
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 3:14 AM |
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Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Location: Earth
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If you make a scythe WM Paladin, I will slap the piss out of you, Naiv.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 3:15 AM |
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Until I crit on you >8U
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 3:47 AM |
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PS here's the whacktastic Shifter I'm talking about:
Druid(5), Shifter(19), Champion of Torm(6), Human
STR: 14
DEX: 8
CON: 10
WIS: 18 (28)
INT: 14
CHA: 8
01: Druid(1): Luck of Heroes, Alertness
03: Druid(3): Skill Focus: Spot
06: Shifter(1): Expertise
09: Shifter(4): Knockdown
12: Shifter(7): Improved Knockdown
15: Shifter(10): Weapon Focus
17: Champion of Torm(2): Disarm
18: Champion of Torm(3): Improved Disarm
19: Champion of Torm(4): Blind Fight
21: Shifter(11): Great Wisdom I
23: Shifter(13): Great Wisdom II
24: Shifter(14): Outsider Shape
26: Shifter(16): Great Wisdom III
27: Shifter(17): Epic Skill Focus: Spot
29: Champion of Torm(6): Armor Skin
30: Shifter(19): Epic Skill Focus: Listen, Construct Shape
Concentration 33(33), Discipline 32(34), Heal 33(42), Listen 33(54), Spot 33(57), Tumble 15(14), remaining skillpoints 25
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:01 AM |
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Location: South Carolina, USA
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If you want to make a functional WM Paladin Smiter you'll have to use a shield. I recommend going with a Warhammer or Battleaxe. You'll get x4 Smite damage on 15-20. That's just not nice.
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:06 AM |
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Location: Earth
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Naivatkal wrote: Until I crit on you >8U TN Undead Shape Shifter. GG.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:16 AM |
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Now you're just cheating.
Shush and comment on my shifter >8U
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:18 AM |
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Location: South Carolina, USA
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DerkDerkistan wrote: Naivatkal wrote: Until I crit on you >8U TN Undead Shape Shifter. GG. Lay On Hands. 14x19 = 266 damage to the face. GG.
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:29 AM |
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Location: Earth
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Righteous Anger wrote: DerkDerkistan wrote: Naivatkal wrote: Until I crit on you >8U TN Undead Shape Shifter. GG. Lay On Hands. 14x19 = 266 damage to the face. GG. TN Construct Shape Shifter. GG. Your shifter looks fine, Naiv. Improved Critical: Unarmed would be nice, though. Epic Listen is silly. Epic Spot is plenty enough.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:40 AM |
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1) Yeah I mostly threw in Epic Listen just cause. I could lower my starting WIS by 1, then ... or I think I'll toss in Epic Prowess for extra fighting fun.
2) Would Imp Disarm work well at all on a Shifter? The whole shapes and differing stats make my brain cry when I try to think about it, lol.
3) What would Imp Crit: Unarmed do? Wouldn't any of the unarmed shapes already have it?
Shifters break my brain :<
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:44 AM |
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Location: Earth
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I'm sure Disarm would work just fine.
No, you'll need to take Improved Critical: Unarmed for the shapes to have it. There are a lot of unarmed shapes to take advantage of the feat.
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 4:50 AM |
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Location: South Carolina, USA
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Alright, Derk, you win.
Naiv -- Epic Prowess is the way to go, I think. More Attack Bonus, especially if you're wanting to use combat feats, is something you will never regret having.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 5:12 AM |
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Alright, dropped Expertise for it. I'd rather keep Blind Fight/IKD/Imp Disarm.
Unless someone has a compelling reason to keep Expertise for it, then I guess I could dump SF: Spot or Alertness (but likely the former).
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Arcadence
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 5:15 AM |
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You'd have to drop SF: Spot or you wouldn't be able to go shifter in the first place (Alertness required).
Also I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one scythe paladin, but that was the last time I was around. No comment on that one, other than big scary numbers with divine might crits.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 5:24 AM |
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Mm, that's right. I thought it was there for Spotty goodness XD
Still, no idea how useful Expertise is for Shifters. Damn confusing Shifters.
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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 5:29 AM |
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Naivatkal wrote: Mm, that's right. I thought it was there for Spotty goodness XD
Still, no idea how useful Expertise is for Shifters. Damn confusing Shifters. Absolutely useless. Shifter AC is so stupidly high anyway in almost all of their forms that, short a dedicated WM / higher level Barbarian with True Strike potions or a Strength based Paladin, everything ever will whiff trying to hit you all day.
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Sphinx
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 6:37 AM |
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Improved Expertise is a standard feat of all Shifter builds in existence without any exceptions for any reason.
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Shadow Disciple
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Righteous Anger
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 6:48 AM |
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Location: South Carolina, USA
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Sphinx wrote: Improved Expertise is a standard feat of all Shifter builds in existence without any exceptions for any reason. Ignore everything I wrote and listen to Sphinx. He knows what he's talking about. Seriously.
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Gobbledygook
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 7:51 AM |
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Joined: 18 Sep 2011
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I don't really bother with Imp Expertise for shifters. Expertise is definitely a great little addition when you want to be kept safe, but investing two feats can sometimes come at the cost of other things you're after. It depends on the type of thing you want to do with the class. In most cases I'd recommend at least getting Expertise.
(Although that said, my latest shifter ends up with Imp Expertise.)
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exquisitelyme
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 8:45 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2009
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I dont see why you would pass on +5 free AC for when you are spamming high DC abilities.
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Frums Deedone, the Green Child
Balrig Sootkiln, Blood and Vellum
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QPR
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 9:23 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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I see no Dragon Shape. Is it that terrible that no one takes it?
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Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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exquisitelyme
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 9:30 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2009
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Dragon Shape doesnt receive the tons of free AC that Shifter provides, the infinite uses/day attack is easily countered by elemental protections, and the form is huge. if I have trouble moving with Earth Elemental around, I can imagine the nightmare it is for Dragon Shapers.
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Frums Deedone, the Green Child
Balrig Sootkiln, Blood and Vellum
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 9:32 AM |
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Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Location: Earth
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Because forgoing other shape feats for Dragon Shape isn't worth it. Only very specialized builds can take them all.
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QPR
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 9:34 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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But... but... Dragon..
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"Edwin do this, Edwin do that. Somebody get this jerk a banana!" - Edwin, BG II
Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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DerkDerkistan
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 9:35 AM |
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Joined: 18 Jan 2009
Location: Earth
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*turns into a humongous dragon*
*gets stuck on a tiny stone*
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O'Raghailligh
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Posted: Thu, May 02 2013, 10:07 AM |
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Joined: 04 Jan 2009
Location: NZ
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Is this build frowned upon, classed as cheese, or labelled bad in any way? (bad in the true sense of the word, not bad as in good). And if so, why?
Blackguard/ Pale Master/ Bard
Abilities
Str 18
Dex 8
Con 8
Int 13
Wis 14
Cha 11
Skills
Discipline 33
Hide 5
Taunt 33
Spellcraft 20
Tumble 30
UMD 25
Feats and Level Progression
1 Bard Power Attack, Cleave
2 Bard (Hide to 5)
3 Bard Blind Fight
4 PM
5 PM
6 PM Expertise
7 PM
8 PM
9 PM Great Cleave
10 PM
11 PM (Spellcraft to 14)
12 BG Weap Focus
13 BG
14 BG
15 BG Improved Crit
16 BG
17 BG
18 BG Improved Expertise
19 BG
20 BG
21 BG Epic Weap Focus
22 PM (Spellcraft to 20)
23 PM
24 BG Great Str
25 BG
26 BG Overwhelming Crit
27 BG Devastating Crit
28 BG
29 BG Epic Fiendish Servant (Discipline to 32, Taunt to 32)
30 Bard Armour Skin (UMD to 25, Tumble to 30)
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