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Dramatic_Prince
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 Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 13:48 PM |
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I know I can't be the only person around who loves golems.
Who else here has a character who is involved in the research or creation of golems?
The monolith has a new golem research lab so anyone interested to form a social club of sorts to run golem related plots?
And no, we're not talking about poop or boob golems 
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Prescia the Pristine Voice
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Halen_Van
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 13:55 PM |
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I love machines, robots, and mechs. Golems just barely fit into my love of these things due to the nature of thier construction.
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 14:14 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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I love 'em, and my previous main, Airais Alanein was a master crafter much for that reason.
<3 True Artificers (unlike all you posers)
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Moridan_X
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 14:21 PM |
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When you say research, are you referring to giving golems computer programs to obey?
Are these difficult creations going to be used for entertainment?
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Meh, I wouldn't support that, because that is what they -aren't-. They are difficultly created with hours of work into one, yet they are RPed as -toys-....
Next thing you know, they'll have phasers from the year 2568 (except people will make it look legit by saying it is magically operated, but on the other hand, guns weren't really invented), because they seem to already talk is if high tech computer systems.
Depends on what you are for, man. I usually stay away from golem topics because people wanna merge amia with a different time zone that really has no correlation with the game (of course unless a dm says that space aliens land on the planet, hehehe).
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Galenson
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 15:11 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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WonWon wrote: I love 'em, and my previous main, Airais Alanein was a master crafter much for that reason.
<3 True Artificers (unlike all you posers)
She's a mad cyborg creator!
...as for Golems, I don't mind them. My character's practically reliant on the golem parts Airais drilled into him to live. Such a hypocrit lol.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 15:20 PM |
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Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: England
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Is someone reading my mind? ...I've been trying to plan ways for one of my mages to build a Ruby Golem, and my first thought, when i sort it was to ask the Monolith for help.
It's going to be a reskin for my EMD, if it gets approved. 
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 15:21 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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There's a considerable difference between 'robots' and 'golems', however they are bound in one similarity which many people see as making them identical.
That similarity, is that they are created with the sole purpose of accepting instructions. They are, at the end of the day, a device - whether magical or electronic, they're also artificial, and by sheer nature have no true device for 'free thought'.
All they have is what they're told to do and not do, and at the end of the day - they are a collection of instructions. This basic little point is what often makes people associate golems to computers.
Example;
Mage - "Iron Golem; if anyone enters this room, eliminate them"
Iron Golem - *if someone enters the room - eliminates them*
Programmer - "Computer; if anyone enters this room, eliminate them"
Computer Defense - *if someone enters the room - eliminates them*
A golem is, even by description, a creature made to follow instructions. It's absolutely 'rational' that a golem may even sound and act alot like a computer when you keep this in mind. It doesn't have 'free rational thought', 'free will', 'perspective'. All it has is what it's told to do.
A list of instructions, if you will. The only real difference here is that a 'Machine' requires these instructions to be written (programmed), where a Golem requires these instructions to merely be inferred by the creator
The result's pretty much the same.
To shorten the tangent. Yes. 'Machines' and Golems are extremely similar, and should they have vocal capabilities, it's extremely normal for them to sound and act similarly. Afterall, all they are is a collection of instructions applied to a physical object.
The major distinction is the 'How'.
A programmer will go to strenuous effort and possess -extensive- knowledge of every little Bit and Byte, and additionally has a thorough understanding of the hows and why's. And, the machine, is limited by this.
A Mage merely uses magic and, by creation, has little to worry about unless he misconveys his instructions (an error easily fixed). He need not understand the whys, the hows, or the details - because the object, by virtue of being magical, can ignore these boundaries.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 15:28 PM |
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Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: England
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Moridan_X wrote: [color=violet]Meh, I wouldn't support that, because that is what they -aren't-. They are difficultly created with hours of work into one, yet they are RPed as -toys-....[color]
I had a char wth the Juggenaut summon, i RP'ed it being his guardian, and only ever summoning it when he really needed it IC'ly.
And if people -want- to RP their Golem, or a Golem as a toy, or use it for entertainment, why shouldn't they? It's not like it affects RL in anyway, other than the fact you obviously dislike that people do this. 
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Previously known as: Anubis
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 15:38 PM |
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Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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2k8ste wrote: I've been trying to plan ways for one of my mages to build a Ruby Golem, and my first thought, when i sort it was to ask the Monolith for help.
I've been planning gem golems for months now. I guess now's a good time to get together and... RP _________________
Prescia the Pristine Voice
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Mah-red
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 16:49 PM |
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Joined: 29 Mar 2009
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Oooh im so in.
Golem Pride
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Bactérie
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 16:51 PM |
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Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Does a human butler in a flesh golem body familiar count?
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Mathias of Constantinople
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 17:01 PM |
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Joined: 10 Aug 2008
Location: Québec
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I'm in too of course!
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Brown Blur
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 18:04 PM |
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Joined: 27 Oct 2007
Location: Anywhere but Amia.
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Moridan_X wrote: When you say research, are you referring to giving golems computer programs to obey?
Are these difficult creations going to be used for entertainment?
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Meh, I wouldn't support that, because that is what they -aren't-. They are difficultly created with hours of work into one, yet they are RPed as -toys-....
Next thing you know, they'll have phasers from the year 2568 (except people will make it look legit by saying it is magically operated, but on the other hand, guns weren't really invented), because they seem to already talk is if high tech computer systems.
Depends on what you are for, man. I usually stay away from golem topics because people wanna merge amia with a different time zone that really has no correlation with the game (of course unless a dm says that space aliens land on the planet, hehehe).
Eh?
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Brown Blur
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 18:26 PM |
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Joined: 27 Oct 2007
Location: Anywhere but Amia.
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WonWon wrote:
Mage - "Iron Golem; if anyone enters this room, eliminate them"
Iron Golem - *if someone enters the room - eliminates them*
That just makes me think of that bit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.... 
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 18:33 PM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Mynna! \m/
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corypx
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 20:59 PM |
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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I wanted to make a golem for cory made out of mythals and gold, because I have lots of both.
made for the most part out of gold for damage reduction and mythals as finger tips that woul act as claws that do elemental damage maybe mythal eyes for PEWPEW WAZER WIFLE. _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE) 
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xordae
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 21:11 PM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Germany
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I had the same plan, just my golem was gonna be made out of testicles!
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Transcendental Templar
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Posted: Sat, Apr 18 2009, 22:34 PM |
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Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: Deep within the Fortress of Regrets...
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Where's Signe in all this? Last I knew she had a fetish for golems of all shapes and sizes. >.>
Smexy beasts they must be.
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Yurell
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 0:55 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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I like golems. If yo need a mindless task done, they are perfect. So long as you can convey all the instructions in one line (with additional 'ifs' if you feel it necessary), they can do it very well.
However, if you're looking for a goon, the mindless henchman is far smarter.
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Crowsterf
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 1:05 AM |
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Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Location: Goldcoast, Australia
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Yurell wrote: I like golems. If yo need a mindless task done, they are perfect. So long as you can convey all the instructions in one line (with additional 'ifs' if you feel it necessary), they can do it very well.
However, if you're looking for a goon, the mindless henchman is far smarter.
Not always, and henchmen can turn and steal your lunch money
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Yurell
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 1:14 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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Yes they can, but at least you can give complex instructions ~without~ filling in all the superfluous fluff that a human would be able to figure out by default.
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mairacle_ninja
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 5:01 AM |
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Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Location: Australia
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Lomir loves golems. Mostly as a hobby though, but he's got a keen interest in them. I like the idea of golems too, they're pretty nifty in a fantasy setting, especially a high magic one. Vesad is... Well, technically, he's a golem himself, albeit not a normal one. So he has a mild interest in golems, on a personal level. He's terrified of flesh golems though. So all in all, sounds awesome!
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FA_Frey_XC
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 5:09 AM |
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Joined: 18 May 2005
Location: XC HQ Alpha, Sol System, Sirius Sector.
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Awesome!
Now we'll have 100 golems running around, giving each other massages and getting married.
Regards,
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Sunkin Sheep
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 5:18 AM |
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Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: San Frantastic, California
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Ironically, My character who is a golem would probably come after you for this.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 5:37 AM |
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Halen_Van wrote: I love machines, robots, and mechs. Golems just barely fit into my love of these things due to the nature of thier construction.
If I remember correctly, Van, there -is- a a set of armor in D&D called "golem armor" or something. It's pretty much a movable golem suit, and if I remember correctly, it increases size catagory and str.
That's pretty much a mech by my standards. Go, Gundamu! Zig Zeon!
Edit:
Oo, Oo! Found it. And it pretty much describes a mobile suit, IMO. God, I'm such a Gundam fanatic. *cries while clutching Amuro plushie....not really*
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Golem_Armor
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Cpt.Devistation
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 6:02 AM |
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[quote="Moridan_X"][color=violet]When you say research, are you referring to giving golems computer programs to obey?
Are these difficult creations going to be used for entertainment?
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Meh, I wouldn't support that, because that is what they -aren't-. They are difficultly created with hours of work into one, yet they are RPed as -toys-....
[size=18]ugh small writing there.. sorry for clutter but that writing needs to be bigger outherwise people lime me need to press the quote button to see the actual letters.
As for golems. i have never realy seen a golem played correctly.
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Galenson
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 6:06 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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Sunkin Sheep wrote: Ironically, My character who is a golem would probably come after you for this.
She's never given Jack crap before. Jud called him the human version of Mynna the other day!
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Dwagin
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 18:23 PM |
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod
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To be honest, golems would make for rather boring main characters, if they were -standard- ones.
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 18:46 PM |
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Cpt.Devistation wrote: As for golems. i have never realy seen a golem played correctly.
The monolith has a couple of Golem PCs.
They don't come out often except during plot events, but they're we'll played. _________________
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Gunz
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Posted: Sun, Apr 19 2009, 19:54 PM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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Dwagin wrote: To be honest, golems would make for rather boring main characters, if they were -standard- ones.
Agreed
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soundofastream
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 3:13 AM |
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They make good ships' anchor's and that's about it... 
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Jes
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 4:37 AM |
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: 2k8ste wrote: I've been trying to plan ways for one of my mages to build a Ruby Golem, and my first thought, when i sort it was to ask the Monolith for help. I've been planning gem golems for months now. I guess now's a good time to get together and... RP I have a character with an Emerald Golem EDK reskin. Awesome stuff. _________________ Login: The Copper Queen
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Uberuce
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 7:27 AM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
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Oh, that reminds me: one of the kids I mind is into DnD and has the manuals. I read about a funky looking thing, whose name escapes me, but it's a golem made out of the junk from a mage's lab: scrolls and broken wands and flasks and such.
I thought it'd make a nice replacement for the Effigy, which as I read in the same book, is meant to be an undead. It looks exactly like a mummy, so I'd use that model and give it a bio that explained in clear detail that it's plainly a construct.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 14:27 PM |
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Uberuce wrote: Oh, that reminds me: one of the kids I mind is into DnD and has the manuals. I read about a funky looking thing, whose name escapes me, but it's a golem made out of the junk from a mage's lab: scrolls and broken wands and flasks and such.
I thought it'd make a nice replacement for the Effigy, which as I read in the same book, is meant to be an undead. It looks exactly like a mummy, so I'd use that model and give it a bio that explained in clear detail that it's plainly a construct.
Oh, I knoww the golem you're talking about, but damned if i can remember the name. Good choice, though!
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Yurell
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 15:15 PM |
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Uberuce wrote: Oh, that reminds me: one of the kids I mind is into DnD and has the manuals. I read about a funky looking thing, whose name escapes me, but it's a golem made out of the junk from a mage's lab: scrolls and broken wands and flasks and such.
I thought it'd make a nice replacement for the Effigy, which as I read in the same book, is meant to be an undead. It looks exactly like a mummy, so I'd use that model and give it a bio that explained in clear detail that it's plainly a construct.
That sounds really interesting.
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Infernal_Pain
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 16:30 PM |
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Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Location: In an armchair, stroking a cat
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Isn't that a Grisgol?
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Dwagin
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 17:56 PM |
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod
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Infernal_Pain wrote: Isn't that a Grisgol?
Yes.
Exactly.. Damned you beating me to it though.. Problem is they're animated by a lich's..
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dn ... 05a&page=4
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Dwagin [Duh-wa-GIN] N. - 1a. Small and cute thingum, particularly fond of four legged scaled creatures of the metalic and chromatic varieties.
-Extraordinarily ordinary in the mostest of ways.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 18:06 PM |
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Gah! Foiled. Well, kinda. Making the Effigy a construct when it's really an undead is a bigger jump than quietly omitting the part about lichs meddling with something that really is a construct, I suppose.
Your call, folks, I'll just rustle it up or leave it alone. I'd rather rustle it up since the Effigy is the wrong kind of crap for my tastes.
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Dwagin
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Posted: Mon, Apr 20 2009, 18:25 PM |
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Location: The Land of Nod
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Quote: The creator of a grisgol must also capture a lich's phylactery and use it in the grisgol's construction. The creator first must facilitate the destruction of the lich whose phylactery he or she wants to use. After the lich's body is destroyed, the creator of the grisgol must finalize construction before the lich returns (usually in 1d10 days). If the lich returns before the grisgol is completed, the lich must be destroyed again. Animating the grisgol while the lich is still in limbo binds the essence of the lich to the grisgol.
No no, it isn't one itself.. it just has a lich in it. sorta.
It'd be fine, mechanically, but Kelemvorites might have issue with it..is what I was getting at.
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